Is Epistane a steroid?

[PhilABowl]

I guess it can be kind of a gray area with definitions... What makes Epistane a steroid (or not a steroid?)?

How does it compare to things like Dianabol?

[rpen22]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a steroid because it is an active hormone on its own, meaning it doesn't have to convert to another hormone in the body to exert its effects, like a prohormone does.

[PhilABowl]

Hmm... good way of defining it. Is Epistane really a hormone, or is it one of those "herbal mix" ****boxes that has lavendar leaves and candy sprinkles in it? I'm not saying it is that, I'm saying I don't know and their website doesn't really clarify that sufficiently for my liking.

[yeahright]

Epistane is a real hormonal product.

[Couldigga]

It's every bit as much of a steroid as dianabol is, the only difference being legality.

[benjiman]

where can you buy epistane and who makes it.is it the same thing or in the same class as havoc.

[thesinner]

A steroid (by definition) is a 17 carbon tetra-ring: consisting of three 6-membered rings, and a 5-membered ring at the end of the chain; therefore, not only is epistane a steroid, so are a lot of other compounds which are not considered AAS.

If you are looking for something that will not cause you to fail an AAS drug test, I would recommend you keep looking.

[V00D00]

yeahright and couldigga are both correct. technically all steroids are hormonal products. however, basically all prohormones are modified or designer versions of steroids that either are, or convert to active substances in the body.

[Sonicology]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a steroid because it is an active hormone on its own, meaning it doesn't have to convert to another hormone in the body to exert its effects, like a prohormone does.

But most so called "prohormones" are steroids in their own right - take androstenedione for example. It's a steroid (displays activity at the androgen receptor) but is almost always labelled a "prohormone" because it converts to test. By that logic test could also be called a prohormone because it converts to DHT (or estradiol).

A true prohormone would be something like Vitamin D which displays no hormonal activity itself, but converts to a molecule which does.

[yeahright]

however, basically all prohormones are modified or designer versions of steroids that either are, or convert to active substances in the body.

And sometimes they are both with the "prohormone" having intrinsic anabolic properties even before conversion.

[rpen22]

But most so called "prohormones" are steroids in their own right - take androstenedione for example. It's a steroid (displays activity at the androgen receptor) but is almost always labelled a "prohormone" because it converts to test. By that logic test could also be called a prohormone because it converts to DHT (or estradiol).

A true prohormone would be something like Vitamin D which displays no hormonal activity itself, but converts to a molecule which does.

Okay, I was oversimplifying it a lot. I see what you're saying and I agree. That's just the way I was trying to show the difference between these products which are sometimes labeled prohormones, like Methasteron which I don't see as really a precursor yet as an active steroid on its own, and products like 3-AD. But I see the problem with explaining it that way. I'm glad you pointed that out.

[motiv8er]

I guess it can be kind of a gray area with definitions... What makes Epistane a steroid (or not a steroid?)?

How does it compare to things like Dianabol?

1) No need for conversion.

2) Less water retention, bloat. Kind of like cousins. Ones big and beefy, the other is hard and less bloated. Both are rather sides free with obvious cautions.

3) The only difference in this moment is the scheduling. With neither you are no longer "natural."

[PhilABowl]

1) No need for conversion.

2) Less water retention, bloat. Kind of like cousins. Ones big and beefy, the other is hard and less bloated. Both are rather sides free with obvious cautions.

3) The only difference in this moment is the scheduling. With neither you are no longer "natural."

Gotcha. I'm not concerned with testing or any of that; I'm just trying to figure out which of the popular things out today are made from Timbuktu Walawalawala Root type bull****, and which things are actual "useful" stuff. (No offense to the grasseater folks, just not my bag of tricks).

Sorry to sound ignorant... unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a rule that prevents the "herbal" stuff from being labeled as if it were "Real" and vice versa.

[James214]

Will Epistane show up on a steroid test?

If so, what pro-hormones can I take that will not?

Also, is Epitiostanol and epitestosterone the same thing?

If an AAS test checks for epitestosterone, is Epistane going to convert into that?

[wolfe14]

this may be an absolute dumb question..but in my research ppl are saying that sd, pp and"EPI" are the top dogs in the PH category, so my questions is, is "epistane" epi? and if so then havoc would be epi too, right??

someone please advise me on this

[Smiley]

Yes you are correct wolfe. Dont forget to add the "tren" products in that mix though.

None of those three are PH's though. All are active steroids.

To the OP. Just google the name. It takes 10 seconds to find the actual active steroid for any compound out.

[wolfe14]

Yes you are correct wolfe. Dont forget to add the "tren" products in that mix though.

None of those three are PH's though. All are active steroids.

To the OP. Just google the name. It takes 10 seconds to find the actual active steroid for any compound out.

wait a min so you are saying that epistane and havoc are REAL steroids and not PH's???

[douglasbarbin]

Will Epistane show up on a steroid test?

If so, what pro-hormones can I take that will not?

Also, is Epitiostanol and epitestosterone the same thing?

If an AAS test checks for epitestosterone, is Epistane going to convert into that?

In order:

Probably, unless it is a test that only looks for certain steroids (like a home testing kit). Sanctioning organizations like the Olympic Committee, NCAA, NFL, NBA, etc. would definitely test for it, so if you're an athlete, keep looking.

No, they aren't the same thing.

Epistane doesn't convert into anything; it's already active on its own.

[Beater]

wait a min so you are saying that epistane and havoc are REAL steroids and not PH's???

By definiton yes.

By the legal system no (not yet)

edit: the stickies up there answer all of these questions.

[Smiley]

wait a min so you are saying that epistane and havoc are REAL steroids and not PH's???

Yes that is what i am saying. Whats the real difference to you anyways? Both do the same thing.