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    What would you stack with Pheraplex?


    If you where to stack anything with Pheraplex currently out, or coming out,what would it be? Let's see dosages, duration and Pct. Don't go crazy with huge spreadsheets or anything.

    I'm thinking Epi or maybe 3AD would be nice, along with cycle support and Torm. What are your thoughts?

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    I've been wondering the samething. I got an old bottle of S1+ laying around I might throw that in there.

    I'd like to hear some suggestions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    If you where to stack anything with Pheraplex currently out, or coming out,what would it be? Let's see dosages, duration and post cycle therapy. Don't go crazy with huge spreadsheets or anything.

    I'm thinking Epi or maybe 3AD would be nice, along with cycle support and Torm. What are your thoughts?
    Yah, I would stack Phera with anything highly anabolic. Two things come to mind:
    1)epistane----super anabolic,mild on liver, mild anti-e
    2)superdrol-----super anabolic, huge glycogen storage, horrible for liver.
    Both have there advantages. Epistane is a mild anti-e so it would clear up any estro issues from the phera, it is also much less harsh so you dont have to feel like you just attempted suicide. However, superdrol has that huge glycogen storage advantage! I just love the way I feel on superdrol, its nothing short of amazing. However, since I love my body, and dont want to die, I would pick epistane.

    However two other options still exist in my mind, them both being progestins:
    1)Max LMG ---since ergomax lmg and max lmg were originally designed to be stacked together obviusely this would be a good combo considering phera is simply the less androgenic isomer in ergo. This would give massivly huge, sopping wet gains. Please take pictures of the stretch marks.
    2)Propadrol---another pretty new projestin. It offers drier gains over max lmg. This seems like it would be the better stack compared to max lmg. Less water weight, more muscle.

    All of this combos would be decent on the liver, except of course the superdrol stack which would absolutely kill you.

    My overall combo would be the epi/phera run like this:
    week 1
    phera-40mg
    week2
    phera-30mg
    epi-10mg
    week 3
    phera-20mg
    epi-20mg
    week 4
    phera-10mg
    epi-30mg
    week 5
    epi-40mg

    Huge dry gains for sure. With very little risk of gyno issues.
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    That looks good Harold, what about Pct? I also have 4 bottles of E LMG from the buying blitz awhile back. I know it's wet so it would do basically what Phera does. Epi looks like a winner here. Sdrol just blew me the hell up though, with flu like symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    That looks good Harold, what about post cycle therapy? I also have 4 bottles of E LMG from the buying blitz awhile back. I know it's wet so it would do basically what Phera does. Epi looks like a winner here. Sdrol just blew me the hell up though, with flu like symptoms.
    MID CYCLE THERAPY

    weeks 2-4
    HCG 200mcg mon,wed,fri


    PCT BEGINS

    week 6
    torr 120mg,90mg,90mg,60mg rest of week
    atd 25mg

    week 7
    nolva 40mg
    atd 25mg

    week 8
    nolva 20mg
    atd 25mg

    week 9
    atd 25mg

    I think PCT could be even lighter than this with HCG in the cycle, but better safe than sorry. I am not an expert on PCT like some other people on the board. This is just a combo of MID and POST cycle therapy I have been thinking about. I havent used it yet, but I think it would be very affective. Of course I would also throw in an anti cort and possibly some IGF-1 if I was feeling rich. This would just be the basic therapy I would inplement.
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    Has anyone ever actually ran this phera and epi cycle? It seems like a good one
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    Not that I am aware of. I was interested in a Phera/SD combo awhile back but just went with Phera. I do believe this would kick ass. Phera/Epi that is. 3ad and Epi also look to be a nice combo possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    Not that I am aware of. I was interested in a Phera/superdrol combo awhile back but just went with Phera. I do believe this would kick ass. Phera/Epi that is. 3ad and Epi also look to be a nice combo possibly.
    Its hard to say at this point in time, but I do agree that the preliminary data on 3-ad does certainly suggest this. Maybe both of us just crazy, but I def think that it is maybe even worth it to wait just to try that stack out!
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    What about stacking Phera-plex with something like Dermabolics' e-form (formestane)...the e-form would cut down on any bloat caused by the PP as it is an AI and could possibly enhance gains as it converts to an anabolic substance...just something I've been thinking about lately.
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    I need to read up more on Formastane. There is just so much stuff out there to learn about. Ninjo, If you run it, post your results here. I say go for it.


    The thing about running 3ad and Epi is that I have left over Phera I want to go through first.
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    i'll let you all know VERY soon about stacking with PP and 3-AD

    it looks to be a good stack, though!
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    Could you drop in on this thread with highlights Mace. If you don't, I'm sure we'll all be reading about it in your log anyway.
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    i will pipe in here, and/or have a log............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    That looks good Harold, what about post cycle therapy? I also have 4 bottles of E LMG from the buying blitz awhile back. I know it's wet so it would do basically what Phera does. Epi looks like a winner here. Sdrol just blew me the hell up though, with flu like symptoms.
    Phera was the next generation of E...Max/ErgoMax. They are all DMT, but there is a different ratio of the isomers used. PP is the cleaner of the two because it uses 100% A isomers, which are supposed to cause less bloat than the B isomers.

    Alot of guys like Phera with Zol and many have like Phera with TRN as well. Lot of choices without stakcing methyls.
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    I stacked Phera with Finigenix and.....I won't do that again for sure. I basically dosed the Fini high per Diplomats instructions and had anxiety through the roof.

    By Zol you mean Prostanozol? I have considered that in the past.

    The best without a doubt for me was Superdrol with all of the sides with it, now if 3ad lives up to it's hype that will take SDs place with me for sure. I am patiently waiting for more 3AD news.
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    im in the middle of a phera/epistane cycle right now. unfortunately i saw NOTHING from phera. but im at the end of my first week of epistane and im loving it, no sides at all and i feel great with strength gains already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger71 View Post
    im in the middle of a phera/epistane cycle right now. unfortunately i saw NOTHING from phera. but im at the end of my first week of epistane and im loving it, no sides at all and i feel great with strength gains already.
    what was your dosing protocol?
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    week 1 phera 20/ m tst 12
    week 2 phera 30/ m tst 12
    week 3 phera 40
    week 4 phera 10/epi 20
    week 5 epi 30
    week 6 epi 40
    week 7 epi 40

    i gained 5 pounds in 12 days then stopped tst and lost 2 pounds in 4 days and my strength actually went down, it felt like i came off cycle with no pct. so i stopped phera in the middle of week 3 and started epi, instantly i got better pumps and my strength has gone up a little every workout. i still got pumps and head aches on phera so i dont think it was bunk, i just didnt respond to it.

    but i can tell you right now im on epi and feel great, working out is SO much more fun then it was on superdrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger71 View Post
    i still got pumps and head aches on phera so i dont think it was bunk, i just didnt respond to it.

    but i can tell you right now im on epi and feel great, working out is SO much more fun then it was on superdrol.
    Was the phera from AX or a clone? if a clone, which one?

    I ran AX Phera along with GL Mega-Zol for just over 4 weeks in January and gained 17 pounds. Lost a little weight in post cycle therapy but have maintained or increased my strength.
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    I took AX Phera and seemed to have similiar things happen. My weight went up gradually but I didn't experience anything close to the carb transport SD provided. I think I gained 10 lbs from what I recall. Some of it was water and fat of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    I took AX Phera and seemed to have similiar things happen. My weight went up gradually but I didn't experience anything close to the carb transport superdrol provided. I think I gained 10 lbs from what I recall. Some of it was water and fat of course.
    i went from 167 to 193 on a AX PP cycle bridged into Havoc.......

    but, i am down to about 180, now....

    a 13 pound increase is still nice!
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    From what I recall, I started at 198 and about 12-14% bf. I went up to 213, did PCT for a month, took bulk Sesamin for almost a month, switched to DCP for a month and I now sit at 205 and around 8-10% bf. Next, my first "CVS" ECA Stack to shave the fat off my abs.

    I'll say this, fat gets really stubborn when you hit your 30s, but it's going to come off.

    I'm anxious to see how that cycle turns out Mace.
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    here's my idea for a killer stack.........(DISCLAIMER: this represents MY views and NOT those of Anabolic Xtreme!)

    Week 1: 450mg 3-AD, 20mg PP
    Week 2: 450mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 3: 600mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 4: 600mg 3-AD, 20mg PP, 20mg epi
    Week 5: 750mg 3-AD, 30mg epi
    Week 6: 750mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 7: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 8: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi, MFX 2caps, Retain 3caps
    WEEK 9: Toremifene citrate 90mg, HD 2caps/d, Retain 3caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 10: Toremifene citrate 60mg, HD 2caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 11: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 12: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1cap
    WEEK 13: Toremifene citrate 15mg, HD 4caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1 cap
    WEEK 14: HD 4caps, MFX 2caps
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    here's my idea for a killer stack.........(DISCLAIMER: this represents MY views and NOT those of Anabolic Xtreme!)

    Week 1: 450mg 3-AD, 20mg PP
    Week 2: 450mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 3: 600mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 4: 600mg 3-AD, 20mg PP, 20mg epi
    Week 5: 750mg 3-AD, 30mg epi
    Week 6: 750mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 7: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 8: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi, MFX 2caps, Retain 3caps
    WEEK 9: Toremifene citrate 90mg, HD 2caps/d, Retain 3caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 10: Toremifene citrate 60mg, HD 2caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 11: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 12: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1cap
    WEEK 13: Toremifene citrate 15mg, HD 4caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1 cap
    WEEK 14: HD 4caps, MFX 2caps
    Thats an amazing looking stack. Somebody do it and definatley log it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    here's my idea for a killer stack.........(DISCLAIMER: this represents MY views and NOT those of Anabolic Xtreme!)

    Week 1: 450mg 3-AD, 20mg PP
    Week 2: 450mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 3: 600mg 3-AD, 30mg PP
    Week 4: 600mg 3-AD, 20mg PP, 20mg epi
    Week 5: 750mg 3-AD, 30mg epi
    Week 6: 750mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 7: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi
    Week 8: 900mg 3-AD, 40mg epi, MFX 2caps, Retain 3caps
    WEEK 9: Toremifene citrate 90mg, HD 2caps/d, Retain 3caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 10: Toremifene citrate 60mg, HD 2caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 11: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, Retain 2caps, MFX 4caps
    WEEK 12: Toremifene citrate 30mg, HD 3caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1cap
    WEEK 13: Toremifene citrate 15mg, HD 4caps, MFX 4caps, Retain 1 cap
    WEEK 14: HD 4caps, MFX 2caps
    umm...isn't that 8 weeks on methyls between the PP and the epi?!?...seems a bit over the top to me but to each his own!
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    That looks solid Mace. Can you give me a little quick info on the compounds and their order of application. What I see is size and strength first, drying out with size and strength followed by hardening up along with muscle gain preservation. There are so many new things out there that I'm just trying to catch up.

    I know Phera,Retain, a little about HD, torm.

    Epi is dry with gains and strength similiar to SD or is that 3ad?
    I know Epi is great for preexisting gyno from what I've read. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    That looks solid Mace. Can you give me a little quick info on the compounds and their order of application. What I see is size and strength first, drying out with size and strength followed by hardening up along with muscle gain preservation. There are so many new things out there that I'm just trying to catch up.

    I know Phera,Retain, a little about HD, torm.

    Epi is dry with gains and strength similiar to superdrol or is that 3ad?
    I know Epi is great for preexisting gyno from what I've read. Thanks
    the 3-AD is non-methyl and will help cut fat and increase strength (kinda like a anavar-type) so then i figure frontload the pp because it is a wet compound and is gonna use estrogen to your advantage, then adding in the epi will dry you out, strength still increases and you gain additional mass while getting your estrogen back in check, then the idea is to go into PCT. the torem is a SERM and the FX is a test booster that frees up your test as well, so strength continues to increase while in PCT and the HD X-2 is an AI so it prevents the test from aromatising back into estrogen. the Retain is a cortisol blocker and nitrogen retention matrix, thus allowing you to keep, possibly even increase, your gains during PCT!

    thus you should have a KILLER cycle that easily puts on some NICE MASS!

    and yes you are using a methyl for 8 weeks, but epi is less harsh than most methyls, to each their own, NO ONE has to follow this routine and it was just some of my internal thoughts of a GREAT cycle........

    if you don't like it, don't do it, or better yet, speak up and improve upon it!
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    Thanks for the details, I appreciate it, and it looks good.
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    PP, MAX LMG(xmass), 3-AD, Epistane, Superdrol and Testosterone Enanthate. All for one beautiful cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotripped View Post
    PP, MAX LMG(xmass), 3-AD, Epistane, Superdrol and Testosterone Enanthate. All for one beautiful cycle.
    that is quite hard on the liver, but how would you suggest running it?
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    Gotripped is the methyl king...I don't know if he just says stuff like that so we all go or if he really runs cycles like that...either way
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Gotripped is the methyl king...I don't know if he just says stuff like that so we all go or if he really runs cycle like that...either way
    one of the reasons i asked him to outline the cycle.........anyone can name off a bunch of supplements, but it takes brains to actually put a cycle together and THEN explain the reasoning besides just (THAT WILL GET YOU HYOOGE!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    that is quite hard on the liver, but how would you suggest running it?
    PP, MAX LMG(xmass), 3-AD, Epistane, Superdrol and Testosterone Enanthate. All for one beautiful cycle.

    Testosterone Enanthate Weeks 1-12
    PP/Max LMG/superdrol Weeks 1-4
    [[superdrol and MaxLMG have wonderful synergy, PP has good synergy w/ SD but you might want to watch gyno flareup at this point as progestins tend to fcuk me up pretty well]]
    3AD/Epistane Weeks 4-6 hardening towards the end.... and of course run out the test e 6 weeks past the last oral to retain gains and the cortisol spike that seems to follow orals and decimate gains post cycle.

    I try to not run such harsh orals towards the end of a cycle. I feel that not as many gains are maintained. There's just something about using a dry/hardening agent during the end of a cycle that says "retain some gains" to me...

    edit: hairloss will definitely be an issue on this cycle
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    Although I continue to be told that I will feel like **** on my Test/TAce/Anadrol cycle I still would like to run it. I'd also like to throw in some Epistane for the amazing sense of well-being it gives me combined with Test's amazing anti-depressant effects and maybe I'll be an extremely happy roid rager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotripped View Post
    PP, MAX LMG(xmass), 3-AD, Epistane, Superdrol and Testosterone Enanthate. All for one beautiful cycle.

    Testosterone Enanthate Weeks 1-12
    PP/Max LMG/superdrol Weeks 1-4
    [[superdrol and MaxLMG have wonderful synergy, PP has good synergy w/ superdrol but you might want to watch gyno flareup at this point as progestins tend to fcuk me up pretty well]]
    3AD/Epistane Weeks 4-6 hardening towards the end.... and of course run out the test e 6 weeks past the last oral to retain gains and the cortisol spike that seems to follow orals and decimate gains post cycle.

    I try to not run such harsh orals towards the end of a cycle. I feel that not as many gains are maintained. There's just something about using a dry/hardening agent during the end of a cycle that says "retain some gains" to me...

    edit: hairloss will definitely be an issue on this cycle
    def sounds interesting.............
    anyone care to try it?

    isn't PP jsut an improvement on Max LMG? i was under the impression that they were similar compounds but the PP was friendlier..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    def sounds interesting.............
    anyone care to try it?

    isn't PP jsut an improvement on Max LMG? i was under the impression that they were similar compounds but the PP was friendlier..........
    pp is definitely nowhere near as wet as MAX LMG, and combined with sd it makes for a good wet/dry compound combination. quick mass w/ sd and max lmg and slow steady gains in mass and strength with pp. Pure synergy. Of course with a Test E base... I don't run orals anymore w/o a test base unless, i am trying out something new for research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    isn't PP jsut an improvement on Max LMG? i was under the impression that they were similar compounds but the PP was friendlier..........
    i think you may be thinking of ergoMax LMG which was part 2-ene and part 3-ene...PP is pure 2-ene...Max LMG is a completely different compound and I believe it's non-methylated...from what I remember, it's a progestin and has been known to cause gyno in some users...easy to get these two products mixed up cause of the similarity in names...cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjo View Post
    i think you may be thinking of ergoMax LMG which was part 2-ene and part 3-ene...PP is pure 2-ene...Max LMG is a completely different compound and I believe it's non-methylated...from what I remember, it's a progestin and has been known to cause gyno in some users...easy to get these two products mixed up cause of the similarity in names...cheers.
    yes, that is what i was thinking of...............

    thanks for the clarification!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjo View Post
    i think you may be thinking of ergoMax LMG which was part 2-ene and part 3-ene...PP is pure 2-ene...Max LMG is a completely different compound and I believe it's non-methylated...from what I remember, it's a progestin and has been known to cause gyno in some users...easy to get these two products mixed up cause of the similarity in names...cheers.
    yes that is what you are thinking of... PP > Ergomax lmg. supposedly emax lmg is the dirty version of PP. I didn't get much out of it tho when I ran it. Jeez... I have ran alot of ****...
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    PP is an androstane and Max LMG is a progestin...not similar outside of the fact that they are both wet.

    PP is desoxymethyltestosterone. I have no idea what Max LMG is though.

    EDIT: I guess I type too slowly!
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