Epistane and HAVOC results thread:

[motiv8er]

I am looking to collect data on these two products. I fyou have ran either one of them please state:
1) Which one you ran and at what dose and other hormones if any.
2) What your usage of it was. IE Bulking or cutting.
3) What diet your diet was like and how it went.
4) What gains in size or strength of weight loss you experienced.
5) Any other overall notes you would like to share.

Thanks.

[Jayhawkk]

Want me to answer those in that format or just link my Havoc log in here?

[sublimejeh]

1) Which one you ran and at what dose and other hormones if any.
10-20/20-30/30/40--- the last 2 weeks will be 40/40 or 40/50

2) What your usage of it was. IE Bulking or cutting.
Bulking.. so far, 3 1/2 weeks in im up just about 10lbs

3) What diet your diet was like and how it went.
EAT EAT EAT. No junk food, 1 1/2+ gals a day... lots of protein and carbs

4) What gains in size or strength of weight loss you experienced.
10lbs and BF% has stayed within 1/2 percent (fluctuates)

5) Any other overall notes you would like to share.
Feel great. Strength gains are massive. So far, +40lbs on squat, +30lbs on bench, +20 on incline BB bench, +20 and 2 reps on BB rows

[thesinner]

Repent Ye Sinner and let Havoc Reign!

Currently on the cycle right now, but you are more than welcome to follow along.

[motiv8er]

Want me to answer those in that format or just link my Havoc log in here?

I dont really care as much about format, but yeah Hawkky, I would love the QUICKIE virgin, if you would.

[Cordeen]

1) Which one you ran and at what dose and other hormones if any.
10-20/20-30/30/40--- the last 2 weeks will be 40/40 or 40/50

2) What your usage of it was. IE Bulking or cutting.
Bulking.. so far, 3 1/2 weeks in im up just about 10lbs

3) What diet your diet was like and how it went.
EAT EAT EAT. No junk food, 1 1/2+ gals a day... lots of protein and carbs

4) What gains in size or strength of weight loss you experienced.
10lbs and BF% has stayed within 1/2 percent (fluctuates)

5) Any other overall notes you would like to share.
Feel great. Strength gains are massive. So far, +40lbs on squat, +30lbs on bench, +20 on incline BB bench, +20 and 2 reps on BB rows

Libido up, down or same?

[sublimejeh]

Libido up, down or same?

WAYYYYYY the hell up lol

[motiv8er]

I know more guys have used this product. Lets give up some results now fellas!

[mmowry]

1) Which one you ran and at what dose and other hormones if any.

Epistane solo.30mg wk1-4 40mg wk5-7

2) What your usage of it was. IE Bulking or cutting.

Clean bulk but only requirements were a min of 250gm pro/day

3) What diet your diet was like and how it went.

My diet was eat 150-175gm pro from 1hr before to 1 hr after training with a 250 min/day

4) What gains in size or strength of weight loss you experienced.

Grew all around but lost 1in on waist and became more vascular(up 12-14lbs in 6 wks)

Strength put 60lbs or more on all compound lifts (I do a 2wk rotation so each lift is done everyother wk) and all other lifts went up also!

5) Any other overall notes you would like to share

This is the best oral Ive taken with no sides til wk6@ 40mg.Lowerback stiffness for the first 30min in AM then totaly weny away.By the end of wk6 this side was totaly gone.

This seems to be the best anabolic for newbies or anyone for that matter as it is very user friendly with minimal supression.

[motiv8er]

Great review Mmowry! I really like what you have to say about the supression feeling. I am very tempted to run this during my PCT right now. It is very, very tempting. Thanks man!



Anyone else?

[mmowry]

My pleasure!

[motiv8er]

Come on guys!! Speak up! This is a really cool product that we need to have them numbers for! No other site has a collected assortment of the results. So give it up!!!

[The Oak]

Come on guys!! Speak up! This is a really cool product that we need to have them numbers for! No other site has a collected assortment of the results. So give it up!!!

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[snakebyte05]

Great review Mmowry! I really like what you have to say about the supression feeling. I am very tempted to run this during my post cycle therapy right now. It is very, very tempting. Thanks man!

Isn't there still some supression with this product? Is use of it for PCT wise at all?

[ralph4u2c]

1) RPN's Havoc w/ Mega-trn as a lean bulk before a 2 month cutting cycle - looked to put on as much LBM possible.

2) 4 wks. @ 30mg ED

3) 3000cals, 200g protein, 350 carbs on average day

4) Gained 14lbs when it was all said and done, waist slimmed down a bit. Strength went up through the roof, and both TRN/Havoc added insane vascularity. No loss in libido, of course no gyno, no back pumps (supplemented with taurine), only VERY mild joint pains so i increased my flax seed consumption and it went away.

5) Very lean gains, most would stack something like TST with Havoc, i went for the lean gains before starting my 2 month cutting phase so i decided to add TRN. i think Havoc would be great to add for the first 4wks. of a Test. inject cycle o ya, seemed like i kept gaining for about 1.5 weeks after finishing the cycle, which was great. i just kept getting bigger, pumps kept getting better!

[mmowry]

Isn't there still some supression with this product? Is use of it for post cycle therapy wise at all?

Yes there is supression with EPI but there is a protocol set up on our forum that uses low dose pulseing during pct to keep a slight anabolic environment and utilize the Anti E effect of Epi but it cant be run at higher doses as it would be counter productive.

[P4D2A022]

ralph, was ur default pic taken before this cycle or after?

[Rivet]

When did everyone here notice it "Kick in"?

[mmowry]

I noticed it between the end of wk 1 and beginning of wk2.

[ralph4u2c]

ralph, was ur default pic taken before this cycle or after?

before. started at 181, finished at 195lb. i noticed it kicked in at the end of week 1 as well.