few questions on the dreaded prop bloat...

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using diuretics to get rid of bloat from test is like using a nuke to mow your lawn in my opinion

12.5mg of aromasin eod for a week will clear it right up

Also agree with this, and your post above that as well, I'll call and raise the other guy 200 *throws a handful of poker chips on table*...lol. Who else is in?

Crowler, thx...I was seriously just gonna leave this thread alone, but I figured I had some spare time and thought it had to be said. Usually I woulda just ignored it and shook my head.

[jarhead]

Also agree with this, and your post above that as well, I'll call and raise the other guy 200 *throws a handful of poker chips on table*...lol. Who else is in?

Crowler, thx...I was seriously just gonna leave this thread alone, but I figured I had some spare time and thought it had to be said. Usually I woulda just ignored it and shook my head.

Just curious...If prop is the only test you have used(as stated in your other post), how do you know for certain that it bloats the same as a longer ester?

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Just curious...If prop is the only test you have used(as stated in your other post), how do you know for certain that it bloats the same as a longer ester?

Prop is the only test I use NOW, that doesn't mean I've never used enth before. I've used enth 3 different times if I recall correctly, the rest have all been prop. Enth takes a really long time for me to see it's effects. Say 6 or 7 weeks.

I seem to take longer than most to start reacting to all AAS. Prop still takes me anywhere from 2-3 weeks (depending on the dose I'm using) but nonetheless, it's still much shorter than that of enth or cyp.

Regardless of personal experience or not, 1 + 1 doesn't equal 3...it's impossible for one to say that he bloats less on prop, it denies the laws of science. There's no such animal. One poster said that it has to do with clearance times...that doesn't have anything to do with it, sorry. But I'd still like to see the article that the guy said he read.

If you think that enth bloats you less, fine. Do what works for you. It's your cycle, your money, your body...I'm just telling it like it is, don't shoot the messenger.

[jarhead]

Prop is the only test I use NOW, that doesn't mean I've never used enth before. I've used enth 3 different times if I recall correctly, the rest have all been prop. Enth takes a really long time for me to see it's effects. Say 6 or 7 weeks.

I seem to take longer than most to start reacting to all AAS. Prop still takes me anywhere from 2-3 weeks (depending on the dose I'm using) but nonetheless, it's still much shorter than that of enth or cyp.

Regardless of personal experience or not, 1 + 1 doesn't equal 3...it's impossible for one to say that he bloats less on prop, it denies the laws of science. There's no such animal. One poster said that it has to do with clearance times...that doesn't have anything to do with it, sorry. But I'd still like to see the article that the guy said he read.

If you think that enth bloats you less, fine. Do what works for you. It's your cycle, your money, your body...I'm just telling it like it is, don't shoot the messenger.

denies the laws of science? Uh...right. Show me one study done in a scientific setting that compares the resulting bloat of prop to cyp or any other ester. There aren't any. Again test is test, not arguing that. Adding an ester doesn't change the test but esters do affect the way a drug acts in your body. This is not a new concept. Prop is the common precontest test of choice. I guarantee you the majority of people who have tried both will tell you they bloat less from prop. So yes, it is possible for someone to say it. If it bloated you, fine. Not arguing that it did. But everybody is different, and some people(myself,bigpete,and others in this thread to name a few) don't bloat on it. Agree to disagree.

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denies the laws of science? Uh...right. Show me one study done in a scientific setting that compares the resulting bloat of prop to cyp or any other ester. There aren't any. Again test is test, not arguing that. Adding an ester doesn't change the test but esters do affect the way a drug acts in your body. This is not a new concept. Prop is the common precontest test of choice. I guarantee you the majority of people who have tried both will tell you they bloat less from prop. So yes, it is possible for someone to say it. If it bloated you, fine. Not arguing that it did. But everybody is different, and some people(myself,bigpete,and others in this thread to name a few) don't bloat on it. Agree to disagree.

It denies the laws of science because it is the same compound. IOW's there is no reason to think otherwise. The only difference in the two are the length and weight of the esters, this isn't brain surgery. And when you say, you don't bloat on it, you act like if you take a gram of prop, you think you still won't bloat on it? But okay, we'll agree to dis, no problem.

[jarhead]

It denies the laws of science because it is the same compound. IOW's there is no reason to think otherwise. The only difference in the two are the length and weight of the esters, this isn't brain surgery. And when you say, you don't bloat on it, you act like if you take a gram of prop, you think you still won't bloat on it? But okay, we'll agree to dis, no problem.

No, not saying no bloat, just less. Fine you win, next time I use prop, I'll make sure I bloat. j/k

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lol...okay, and next time I will use enth...see, we both win.

Honestly though, I was thinking about giving enth another run whenver I decide to do my next cycle. I've got HORRIBLE scar tissue in my quads from pinning so damn much.

[jarhead]

lol...okay, and next time I will use enth...see, we both win.

Honestly though, I was thinking about giving enth another run whenver I decide to do my next cycle. I've got HORRIBLE scar tissue in my quads from pinning so damn much.

Man I tell ya that's why I switched to mainly longer esters. I love prop and npp, but the frequent injections were killing me. Especially the quads, for some reason, just got to the point it felt like I was poking thru layers of saran wrap.

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Man I tell ya that's why I switched to mainly longer esters. I love prop and npp, but the frequent injections were killing me. Especially the quads, for some reason, just got to the point it felt like I was poking thru layers of saran wrap.

Yeah I know, whenever I poke through the skin and then start to penetrate the muscle, I hear this crackling crunchy noise/feel. And then when I go to pull the needle out afer I shoot, I sometimes gotta give a good yank on it because it feels like I'm stuck in some kind of hamburger gristle...oooo, nasty.

[bigpetefox]

Here's a good spin..

I know 4 guys who gear up now and then, I tend to help them with PCT.. I do know for a fact that one of them calls me regularly to bitch about the bloat of nandrolone, while the others seem to have a fun time on the same dose.. Then two will call about the bloat from long ester test, one will report joint pain from winny..

The point: We all react very different to these compounds.. I tend to go with what I see in my own "subjects" than what some faceless screen name on a forum thinks.. Not saying anyone's wrong or right, just reminding you all that we don't have the same exact genes.. Thank God for that!

[jarhead]

Yeah thank God. I'd really HAAAATE to have your pecs pete.

[lifted]

lol, bump that^^^

btw, jarhead, nice looking back bud. Good work.

[jarhead]

Thanks, I'm just about to get ready to slim down for the summer, then the fun starts!.