Formasin

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  1. Formasin


    IM very impressed with this stuff...its working great to control the perky nips and excessive bloating on my T1 cycle. I take two formasin, and 3-4 hours later the symptoms have subsided.

    BigVrunga


  2. where can you get it?
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  3. Originally posted by 2cAnnons
    where can you get it?
    I suspect it is pretty widely carried by Internet retailers. Two I know of that do are 1fast400.com and MuscleShoppe.com. Slightly cheaper at MuscleShoppe.

  4. dpsnutrition.com has it for a good price as well, thats where I got it.

  5. thats good im glad to hear this because i havent heard many reviews on it and i was planning on trying it myself.
    PharmD
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  6. I hadn't heard any reviews either, so I figured Id put a post on on its effictiveness. I took 2 Formasin 2 days in a row,then took 2 days off and just today the 4AD bloat returned.

    Its also supposed to exert a minimal anabolic effect, but I dont know how noticeable that would be with the 1test/4AD in your system.

    Its good stuff, definately worth consideration.

    BigV

  7. Thanks BigV, I've been thinking about it for a high dose 4-AD cutting cycle, but haven't heard much of anything about it so far. I'm interested in it for bloat control, and after reading the massive arguments between Bill L and Pat A over at BB.com....well you just end up more confused than when you started. Could be very promising, as well as Aromazap.
  8. dosing


    What's the best dosing for taking Formasin?

    2 tablets per day? Only to be used during the cycle or ok afterwards?

  9. I havent read any of those arguments I try to stay out of it Those guys are brilliant and have brought us many great products, but they're both in business to make money, you know?

    I havent checked out Aromazap yet, that's from Syntrax, right? I have some of their FUZU to use post cycle alongside 6-oxo/Nolva, I have heard good things about it.

    I think it was Wardog who mentioned using Viratase to control bloat on a 1200mg/day 4AD cycle for cutting. He said it worked great, and from what Ive read Formasin is supposed to be more effective.

    On that much 4AD, Id be have some nolva on hand too...

    Later
    BigVrunga
  10. Re: dosing


    Originally posted by CableMan67
    What's the best dosing for taking Formasin?

    2 tablets per day? Only to be used during the cycle or ok afterwards?
    its only to be used during cycle.. not post cycle
    PharmD

  11. Originally posted by BigVrunga
    I havent read any of those arguments I try to stay out of it Those guys are brilliant and have brought us many great products, but they're both in business to make money, you know?

    I havent checked out Aromazap yet, that's from Syntrax, right? I have some of their FUZU to use post cycle alongside 6-oxo/Nolva, I have heard good things about it.

    I think it was Wardog who mentioned using Viratase to control bloat on a 1200mg/day 4AD cycle for cutting. He said it worked great, and from what Ive read Formasin is supposed to be more effective.

    On that much 4AD, Id be have some nolva on hand too...

    Later
    BigVrunga
    Yeah, they are both nuts I try not to read their posts anymore, I usually end up with a headache or chuckling.

    Aromozap is Syntrax, yes. Haven't heard anything on it yeat, either. Wardog is who gave me the idea for the cycle, and if formasin works better than viratase than this could be a good summer cut cycle (no bloat and ready to hump any woman in sight) I'm thinking around the same doses, maybe 1000 or 1200 mg/day. It's either that or this 7-keto/1-test brew in the R&D section (or maybe some odd combo of both, who knows). Definitely nolva, gotta love liqua-solutions

  12. Yeah, they are both nuts I try not to read their posts anymore, I usually end up with a headache or chuckling.

    Aromozap is Syntrax, yes. Haven't heard anything on it yeat, either. Wardog is who gave me the idea for the cycle, and if formasin works better than viratase than this could be a good summer cut cycle (no bloat and ready to hump any woman in sight) I'm thinking around the same doses, maybe 1000 or 1200 mg/day. It's either that or this 7-keto/1-test brew in the R&D section (or maybe some odd combo of both, who knows). Definitely nolva, gotta love liqua-solutions
    Either one sounds like a good idea. I havent read too much on 7-keto/1test though. Ill have to check it out. If I remember correctly, Wardog really liked the 4AD cutting cycle...it seems like a great idea. Simple, too.
    I hear you on the 4AD libido boost. My god man! Ive always been an active kinda guy, but this stuff is pushing me over the edge! 400mg/day with 200mg/day 1test, and Im chasing my girlfriend all over the house, like every hour! Sheeit, I had to bump my diet up by 500 calories just to make up for the energy expenditure

    Molecular nutrition also sells 4-hydroxyandrostendione(Formasin ) as 'Formastat', check it out:

    bodybuilding.com/store/mn/form.html

    They even say that viratase '...can't even come close'

    Im not going to cut for a while, Ive kind of maintained a 'comfortable' bulking BF% and Im going to stay this way and keep growing until Im sure when I cut down Ill be ripped and over 205lbs.
    Definately considering the 4AD route (with possibly a very small amount of 1test) when I get there.

    BigV

  13. Originally posted by BigVrunga

    Definately considering the 4AD route (with possibly a very small amount of 1test) when I get there. 
    I feel that 1-test is better for lean gains than 4AD, considering the water gain from 4ad has to be blocked somehow,(hence the reasons for this thread, aye?)..

    My personal opinion: I wouldn't use 4AD to cut, even though I never had an issue of estrogen build-up.. Straight 1-test all the way, or trenbolone..

    MOO!

  14. I feel that 1-test is better for lean gains than 4AD, considering the water gain from 4ad has to be blocked somehow,(hence the reasons for this thread, aye?)..
    From what Ive read and experienced with the two I would agree with you - but if you are sensitive to 1test's sides (like hair loss), then 4AD w/anti e might be a viable alternative - if the goal was just to help retain the lean mass that you already have.

    The majority of people who experience hair loss with 1test seem to see it the 2nd time they cycle it...it would suck to get lean and mean, only to get lean, mean, and BALD!

    Im going to stay this way and keep growing until Im sure when I cut down Ill be ripped and over 205lbs.
    By the time i get here, PHs of all sorts will probably be banned, so I wont have to worry about it anyway.

    BigVrunga

  15. But, I look good bald...

    I got ya, brother.. Makes sense..

  16. Originally posted by bigpetefox
    [B]But, I look good bald...
    I think that I would My brother does and we have the same shaped head

    Ive been in touch with the guys at wholesalehairproducts.com, and they say that users of 1test/4AD that are using 2%spiro/azelic acid/minoxidil5%/Nizoral are even regrowing hair ON CYCLE.

    If that's the case, a mild dose of 1test would definately be preferrable.

    BigV

  17. Just thought I'd chime in here, I'm getting ready to try a transdermal preparation of Formestane(drug in Aromazap, Formasin, Formastat).

    In studies, Formestane has been shown to be rather ineffective when taken orally. Yet, much more effective when injected intramuscularly(a simple search of PubMed would turn up these studies). Of course, IM and transdermal share these beneficial qualities!

    Of note, I do believe Formestane has a molecular weight of 302. But, then again, that data was obtained from a "chinese chem lab" so, you can be the judge of that! But, if they're correct, Formestane should be capable of being administered transdermally successfully and at much lower quantities than its oral counterpart! I'll give you guys some feedback of real-world results soon though...

    Likewise, end of my current cycle, I'm going to run a 6-oxo transdermal as well. Last time I ran 6-oxo orally and I broke out moderately on my shoulders/traps, so I'll let that be the judge of the efficacy of the transdermal administration!(so scientific, I know, but it should suffice!)

  18. That sounds like some interesting research, chosen5! Definately keep us posted on the results!!

    2 weeks into cycle, and the Formasin taken orally is still proving to be effective at controlling the excess estrogen sides...especially the bloating.

    I have no idea how effective it would be at controlling gyno-related problems. But, if thats a concern, then having nolvadex on hand would really be the best (and only) option.

    The transdermal application sounds very interesting, as it could be mixed right into a bottle of T4 (once the proper dosage is calibrated), for a estrogen-side free cutting cycle.

    Have you tried it orally at all?

    Thanks for the post!
    BigVrunga

  19. Originally posted by BigVrunga
    Have you tried it orally at all?
    Yes, I've tried it orally in dosages ranging from 100mg to 250mg(min-max recommended dosages fyi).

  20. Chosen5, where are you getting the raws for 6-oxo and formestane?

  21. Originally posted by jweave23
    Chosen5, where are you getting the raws for 6-oxo and formestane?
    Somehow I knew this question was going to come up

    I'm just going to pour the contents of the capsules into some bdc gel.

  22. Originally posted by chosen5

    Somehow I knew this question was going to come up

    I'm just going to pour the contents of the capsules into some bdc gel.
    ok, I wouldn't recommend that though because of the fillers used in encapsulating, Chemo has some good posts regarding 6-oxo powder from caps, I'm not sure which forum they went to though, I'll look.

  23. Originally posted by chosen5
    I'm just going to pour the contents of the capsules into some bdc gel.
    If you are going to do this, I recommend filtering the filler from the caps, before adding to the topical gel.

    I have done this with 6-OXO, and have been running it topically for the past 2 weeks. It is working quite well.

    I haven't tried it with formestane, but I have successfully filtered both 3-Alpha caps and Viratase caps (both by Molecular), so I would guess that it should work just fine.

  24. Originally posted by ShadowJack


    If you are going to do this, I recommend filtering the filler from the caps, before adding to the topical gel.

    I have done this with 6-OXO, and have been running it topically for the past 2 weeks. It is working quite well.

    I haven't tried it with formestane, but I have successfully filtered both 3-Alpha caps and Viratase caps (both by Molecular), so I would guess that it should work just fine.
    All that there is to filter out is the micro crystalline cellulose and i thought that the gel had been corrected so as to compensate for the filler.

    This thread deals with the topic of fixing T-Gel to compensate for the binders/fillers: http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&thread****1715

    This thread deals with an actual user's issue with binders/filler:
    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&thread****1166
    Last edited by chosen5; 04-02-2003 at 05:45 PM.

  25. Originally posted by ShadowJack
    I haven't tried it with formestane, but I have successfully filtered both 3-Alpha caps and Viratase caps (both by Molecular), so I would guess that it should work just fine.
    Why would you even filter 3-Alpha, I'd suppose for transdermal administration? 3-Alpha has a 40%+ bioavailability and the gel is roundabouts there at best guestimates.
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