Old School Orals vs. Designer Steroids (New School)
- 01-06-2006, 09:21 PM
Old School Orals vs. Designer Steroids (New School)
Thought we could have some fun with this one:
Old School Orals (Dbol, Winny, Drol, Anavar, etc.)
New School Designers (Superdrol, M1T, ErgoMax, Pheraplex, etc.)
Do you believe that any of the new school orals have any huge advantages over the old school orals? (vice-versa)
Who would opt for M1T or Ergomax over Dianabol?
The New Designers are mysterious and fun talking about - but are they really any better than what we already have? (Legality aside)
I've never tried Anavar or Winny so I can't really compare that to Superdrol. I'm bias but I'll tend to say that M1T is slighty better than Dianabol - although I've only played with Dbol once. M1T kicks in quicker and I don't get any of the nasty sides that have been reported. Dbol, however, boasts libido 500%. Never tried Pheraplex, Halodrol, Ergomax.My Little Site about Hair Loss & Anabolics-
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- 01-06-2006, 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
01-06-2006, 09:48 PM
01-06-2006, 10:50 PM
On a mg to mg basis, the old school drugs are better.
Now looking at Anavar vs. M4OHN, I think that 80 mg OHN should be equivalent to 40 mg Var, but to my knowledge no one has tried this.
Since I have 20+ grams of OHN on hand I'm seriously thinking of trying this out for a month.
01-06-2006, 11:12 PM
I think M1T is complete garbage. Most of the initial weight gained from it is water weight and the gains are very short term as they disappear soon after discontinuing use. High blood pressure, nose bleeds, seriously aggressive behaviour, gyno and sodium retention? I can't find a single good use for this drug in bodybuilding. Old school AAS all the way, Dbol > M1T.Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
01-07-2006, 12:03 AM
01-07-2006, 12:10 AM
I've ran ~60mg of M4OHN - I've never tried anavar... M4OHN is pretty weak (as in not potent - the results were decent in a recomp sense).Originally Posted by Skark
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01-07-2006, 12:29 AM
Of those you mentioned I have done:Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
E-max @ 20mg/day; thought it was a waste, got real greasy and pimples on my head
Anavar, 8 week cycle most of the time @ 45mg/day. Noticeable increase in strength and decrease in appetite, not much in way of LBM. I boosted the dose to 60 in the beginning and it jacked up my BP. Got it back up to 60 with some hawthorne. If I do it again it will be 50-60mg/day at least. No back pumps, e****lent recovery time. good choice if you are not looking to put on much weight just strength.
D'bol, only did 2 weeks during the above anavar cycle just to try it out. Napoism 5mg tabs, up to 20mg. SD like pumps after week one. No bloat at that dose. Boosted my total weight gain to 8lbs, 5lbs of which remained. But i was @ maintenance kcals the whole time.
01-07-2006, 01:55 AM
In my mind nothing will ever touch oxandrolone.
Winstrol is nice.
Dbol, not a fan.
In regards to some of the new stuff, ergo/phera/dmt is definitely a good choice.
01-07-2006, 05:30 AM
Well from a health stand point I think anyone would choose the oldies. Why? Look at the blood tests from SD and M1T. Makes my arteries clog just looking at them. +1 for the oldies.
Also, the old ones have years of research and usage behind them. What they do is well known making them easier to stack with other items. An example is say I want to run Test and EQ. Well I would know to avoid drol once the EQ kicks in because of the massive increase in RBC, which can lead to serious problems. All steroids increase RBC to some extent, but these do it like no other. Now can anyone tell me to what degree DMT or SD affects RBC? Not knowing could lead to some health problems. +1 for the oldies.
Legality stand point I can see the usage of these new ones. No watching the block when the postman rolls up to see if there is a CD going on. Also, your significant other is less likely to ask questions if you can buy them at GNC or other supplement stores. +1 for the designers.
The side effects for all these new items seem to be fairly harsh. Hypoglycemia, Wicked back pumps even at the lowest possible dosage, lethargy that made it hard to even get out of bed, dibilitating pumps that kept me from doing my semi-manuel labor job, these are the things that I encountered on my SD cycle. Not to say that the oldies are side effect free, but we all know what to expect from them and the problems most people run into. I think most people who have tried dianabol and SD would prefer the former if they had to run a stand alone. +1 for oldies.
3 to 1 by my count. I think if you are willing to deal with the fact that you might spend some time in jail, or atleast probation and a record, then you will have a more pleasent experience. Also, most advise test for a base, well thats illegal, so mine as well get some drol or dbol to go along with it. Fact of the matter is, no one "invented" these "prosteroids", each and everyone was already known about. Pharmacutical companies didn't use them for one reason or another. Just keep that in mind.
01-07-2006, 06:09 AM
M1T is not a new thing.. It was discovered 40-50 years ago but laid low for some reason until a resurgence a few years back.
I actually liked M1t all 4 times I ran it. I didn't really get water weight from it either. I was pretty dry actually.. diet dictated that.
Anyways, I'd lump them all together these days, but I have my favorites.. mostly the old school compounds.
01-07-2006, 10:47 AM
01-07-2006, 12:35 PM
I know almost nothing about what makes one drug more expensive than another to manufacture ... but, just out of curiosity, why is oxandrolone so damn expensive to produce?
Originally Posted by size
01-07-2006, 01:00 PM
Just speculating but probably due to supply and demand. It is very mild as far as sides. At adequate doses increases strength noticeably. Solid maintainable gains. ****, if the stuff could cook & clean and would marry it.
Besides it has real world applications. It is the only steroid I have ever heard a doctor consider prescribing a patient that was cachetic.
01-07-2006, 01:07 PM
01-07-2006, 01:18 PM
I'm definitely with aspire210's point of view, and to the list of the "old school" orals I'd add tbol
01-07-2006, 01:20 PM
I'm about to try some TBOL in 1-2 weeks so I'll let you guys know how it compares to SD for a recomp. Only difference is that I ran SD for 4 weeks and I'm going to do TBOL for 8 weeks. I've been hearing great things about TBOL
01-07-2006, 02:02 PM
In reference to aspire's post (and a good one at that), the only drugs i've seen used medically are oxandralone (for cachexia/cancer chemotherapy patients/AIDS wasting syndrome), oxymetholone, i.e. Anadrol (for anemia - very old school and not used medically anymore due to its being banned in the US years ago for its sides), and of course, test for "anti-aging", hypogonadism, panhypopituitarism, and a slew of other conditions. All the other aformentioned substances were developed with performance enhancement as the main goal.
As far as oxandralone (anavar) being the drug of choice medically, it is virtually side effect free, non androgenic (can be given to women with the above ailments), does not cause water retention, and preserves/increases lean body mass without exercise (end stage AIDS/cancer patients arent lifting 4 days a week, so yes it does work without lifting). Even still, it is very expensive in its pharmaceutical grade (Oxandrin) and is unfortunately under-prescribed to those that actually NEED it.
01-07-2006, 02:14 PM
Truthfully i like both .... My favorite is an old school though (TBOL), But i got better gains on SD than i did DBOL IMO... DBOL gains were a little too watery for me... and i am looking forward to my test e, tren ace, and var cycle soon considering i never tried anavar
01-07-2006, 03:02 PM
In terms of safety and lack of sides, it sounds like a near-perfect oral steroid. (nothwithstanding that it can't cook & clean ...)
Originally Posted by jonny21
01-07-2006, 03:09 PM
What dosage you going for those 8 weeks? I'm thinking of tryin the stuff soon as well.Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
01-07-2006, 03:23 PM
New School hasn't done as much for me as old school. M1T was alright, but DBOL rocked, for my experience. Running var right now, so I'll see how I like that.
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01-07-2006, 03:24 PM
Sounds like a few of us will be giving T'bol a go around. I will be starting a TD Test/t'bol cycle Feb 1. I am going to start @ 50mg and adjust if necessary.
01-07-2006, 03:46 PM
Winny: THis stuff was very mild and killed my joints
M1T: very nice gains, i mean awsome. I dont get bad side from it. But i stopped using it, after reports of liver toxicity.
Dbol: Awsome gains similar to M1T, but it made me very lethargetic, and slugish, didnt agree with my body.
Tbol: very mild, i ran 30-60mg ed, and i didnt notice anything, thought its waste of money.
01-07-2006, 04:14 PM
DMT, the stuff rocks....i think it ranks up with the old school dbol stuff.... i think once its gone its gonna be ranked up there with some of the best. just my opinion though
01-07-2006, 04:52 PM
01-07-2006, 05:50 PM
01-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Are you still taking abot Var? Dude, you fellas are so damn spoiled! SD is twice as potent as Var with only half the androgeny. Winny is the only thing that even comes close to SD. Still, M1T is the strongest oral ever invented IMO, so I am way off in my opinions with you guys. I'm old school too, big time, but these new orals are way better. PheraPlex for example, except for the gyno threat, what even comes close to it? A50 or Dbol, OK, at 3x the dose maybe! Gimme a break. Also, at 60mg/d, 4OH-MN is probably the best over all. Go try some 'old skool' juice. You'll be back looking for legals again real soon.Originally Posted by WheyGood
01-07-2006, 10:22 PM
Well, I've never tried Anavar ... was just commenting on the reputation it has for safety (being prescribed to HIV patients, women, children, etc.).
My last SD cycle was tremendous. E****lent gains and no sides, minimal shutdown and PCT went very well. I have a stash that should last a good 4 or 5 years if I do 2 to 3 cycles a year.
Originally Posted by DR.D
01-07-2006, 11:26 PM
Doc, how do you compare M1T with Methoxy-trn? I have heard it's just as harsh.M1T is the strongest oral ever invented IMO
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