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.Was wondering why you would run the androgenic at the end of the cycle ,and did you develop any back pumps from the ergo like others I have talk to on the forum?
I would run Melting Point the whole time, I remember reading about the health benefits and I think it actually helps to detoxify the liverand control cholesterol.
I like to blow up first (anabolic stuff; test, SD, 4AD, whatever) then harden it up/dry it out at the end. Some people don't think it's good, and prefer strict bulkers or cutters, which I like too. But some cycles, if I'm gonna mix it up, I'll gain heavily at the outset, then kinda end it with some androgenic stuff to cap it off. Works well for me.
I am unaware of anyone elses results other than my own. I experienced clean, dry gains using 20mg/d for 4 wks only. I posted on this almost a year ago, when I tested it, but feel free to ask me specifics.
Are you talking about SD?
No, PP. I actually did a little right up on my SD alpha testing, but can't remember if I did one for PP. If not, I'll answer specifics right here.
Have you done any ergomax cycles? How do you compare them? What weight gains did you have on pp? Strenght gains? bf loss?I am doing a ergomax cycle right now and i am trying to find out if there is a big difference,if pp is stronger with more gains in weight and strenght i will use it next time.I would like all the info you could give me..
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It looks like a sound plan to me. Creatine during PCT after an oral cycle for sure.
No! But ALR did send me a bottle to try. I will offer an objective comparison once I have tried both. I experienced very similar gains with PP as with SD. About 5 lean lbs/month. Of course, it would likely be higher with less experienced users. A first time user may expect a 10lb solid gain/month. I am talking to several people who have tried one or the other, so I will report comparative results once I have them. The biggest short coming of PP is the androgenic sides. The response curve is very steep and the difference between 15 and 20mg is dramatic. 25mg is just too androgenic for me, but not uniformly so. Skin probs were the biggest manifestation of androgenicity, mood and prostate issues did not correlate to a potent androgen.
Any pre-ban PH that you would could compare the PP anodrogenic sides to? I'll be doing a cycle soon and it'd be nice to get a heads up. Look forward to it.
25mg is the androgenic threshold. If 40 or 50mg could be utilized, the anabolism would be very dramatic I imagine. So yes, I do feel it is limited at 20-25mg. However, I am often alone on this opinion, so I can see the majority of guys doing the higher doses anyway with little or no major issues. Lean gains are ~50% that of M1T but androgenic effects are closer to 75%. I had no hair loss or itching problems, though it is tough on the sebaceous output. Nutrient partitioning and fat loss are better than average but not extreme at 20mg.
No, it's in a class of it's own. Acne can be extreme, but that's about it. It has a unique volumous character. No other major sides are apparent, so it's androgenic activity is high but selective and very dose dependent. I would compare the skin activity most closely to that of Deca.
I just ran SD alone at 10/20/20. Could you give me your recommended Emax dose for this stack? I'm guessing you are running liver support etc. while on this? Anything special for the week in between? Thanks Doc
keep me posted on your results I'm very interested in this stack and the sides from pheraplex at your current doseage or higher ?
keep me posted on your results of this stack I'm very interested in the pheraplex and the sides at your current doseage or higher?
I'm looking at running them back to back.
I would run both emax and sd at 20mgs and maybe consider running prostanozol at 75mgs/d with the emax.
:thumbsup: I like the looks of this except I would consider starting the prostanazol in week 6 and running it for 3 weeks, extending it for 2 weeks after the ergo to consolidate gains and tighten up a bit while still ON. Just my opinion though.
Testers are up to AX to coordinate. I have no influence on that at all. To be honest, I am not aware of any other testers other than myself so far. So no PP/SD stacks that I know of.
Whats up milwood-I like running the sd in the second part of the cycle to clean up the bloat that I get from ergo,by drying me out I become pretty vascular going into pct,but this is the look I'm looking for.
.This is a good cycle,but pheraplex/sd is a great cycle just waiting for feedback on pheraplex to find out what the sides are before I run a cycle.
hey, Wheels!
I like that idea a lot too. In fact, my updated suggestion would be to up the prost dosing, and carry the cycle to 8 weeks as so:
the expected/desired effects of good pumps, hardening and vascularity came significantly greater with 6 caps as opposed to the reccommended 3/day. I ran it for 6 weeks, and I don't think I've ever run anything alone...
Okay, this is a long story, but I'll make it simple for the sake of this discussion. I ran prost with Ergo at the BEGINNING of a then altered LONG cycle. On paper, it looks nuts, but suffice it to say I kicked off a long one with Ergo/Prost for 4 weeks. I gained some very dense muscle and got rock hard, eating lots, AND lost fat clearly in those 4 weeks. I looked (after 4 weeks) like I want to look at the END of the long cycle; hard, muscular, vascular. I jumped the prost up t 150mg for weeks 3-4, because again I think the stuff is much better at high doses. In sum, I like things like prost and ergo for hardening, but clearly if you eat right and lift right, you'r gonna gain some lbs.
So in wk4 the wk between the two cycles what supps should be used-rebound,lean xtreme ?
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