Has anyone ever ran Tren only?
- 06-15-2005, 11:59 AM
Has anyone ever ran Tren only?
I am looking to do a mild cycle in october or so, then one big one in january to get ready for next summer..
I have the big one all lined up, but for the first mild one i was thinking of just running a short one(some people like 4-6wk'r)
Anyone ever run Tren Ace solo? What is a good mild cycle that i could run for 4-6wk's? I want to try something a little different.. I will still be bulking, so focus will be strength/size gains while maintaining bf%
- 06-15-2005, 12:24 PM
Dude, this may not be the answer you were wanting, but you really need to put some test in there as a base. Test should not only be the base of any cycle, but it will help with the side effects you will get from running tren. Try putting some test prop in there and dose Test/150mg's-Tren/75mg's (or so)EOD.
- 06-15-2005, 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Cuffs
06-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Tren and dbol is good for a short cycle. Dbol will help keep your mood and your unit up, but it is a rather harsh short cycle. 50mg tren 30mg of dbol per day should be fine.
06-15-2005, 01:40 PM
Yea i dont want to run dbol since that is in my big cycle, i am trying to limit orals.. As for 50mg tren ed i think that is a bit much for my first time using tren, i will probally go with 75eod..
Looks like prop/tren it is..LOL
06-15-2005, 01:59 PM
I'm of the opinion that you can run tren alone as long as you include enough hCG to keep your endogenous testosterone production going. That means 250 to 500iu EOD along with the tren shots. You won't crash from lack of test, you won't lose your nuts, and you'll probably keep your libido (hell, at 75mg EOD you'd probably keep your libido for most of the 6 weeks anyway).
Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's optimal, though. Prop/tren is just better. Barring issues sourcing the prop, I'm mystified as to why one would want to go without test (other than testing the above hypothesis concerning hCG, which, BTW, I have done with success).
BTW, smart choice on a nice moderate dosing scheme for your first time using tren.
06-15-2005, 03:48 PM
haha, man, I am still contemplating the same **** this guy is. The bloat with prop worries me. Never tried it, but I always seem to hold water with other test esters. My last thought was wks 1-10 EQ, wks 3-8 tren @ 50-75 mg EOD, and var wks 8-12 @ 20-25 mgs day. Now one of biggst concerns is anger/aggression on tren. I normally am a very mellow guy, but some people know how to push my buttons . Are any of the serms or AIs not all that bad on the liver? Another option I have is stacking the EQ with ALRIs new prods.
Originally Posted by kwantam
06-15-2005, 03:49 PM
Good choice.Originally Posted by imprezivr6
06-15-2005, 03:52 PM
Test Prop never really bloated me.. I would give it a run..Originally Posted by Max32
Personally i feel i respond REALLY well to aas, so that is why i was wondering about tren only.
06-15-2005, 03:58 PM
I think if you followed what Kwantam talked about, you'd be fine. There shouldn't be too much of an issue with bloat from prop. If it becomes an issue just tweak your diet a bit, and maybe have an AI on-hand. I just don't know why anyone would run a cycle without some form of test though.
06-15-2005, 04:00 PM
Ya i used to say the same thing, but for some reason i have a sudden impulse to try it..LOL Not sure why.. On my last cycle i broke out real bad from test, i am really not looking for that to happen again, and it is still here just starting to clear a bit.. I never had acne in my life, but on prop i broke out so bad on my forehead it isnt even funnyOriginally Posted by Cuffs
06-15-2005, 09:35 PM
It was the test that broke you out.. it was the sudden change in hormone levels which inturn caused an overproduction of skin oils.. which then went to feed the Propionibacterium acnes, the bacteria that is responsible for causing the most common form of acne
06-15-2005, 09:46 PM
Right now I'm on a tren only cycle. Its my first steroid cycle and I'm running 70mg ED.
However, as the cycle goes on I'm starting to think that I'm one of the lucky few whose bodies agree with the tren completely.
I'm almost 2 weeks into the cycle and already I'm up 7 lbs (thats first thing in the morning even after taking my morning piss and **** - by the end of the day I'm up about 12 lbs from my pre-cycle weight). My quad measurements are up a full inch. I'm not experiencing any backne, I don't suspect very much of the weight gain is fat because I can still see my ab definition pretty well. Also, I'm not experiencing any libido problems everythings working great.
Like I said, I'm probably one of the few people that respond very well to tren. I've got a buddy whose currently on the same exact cycle and hes actually lost some weight and says he feels like hes going through menopause. So the only way to see if it'll work for you I guess would be to try it.
06-16-2005, 08:08 AM
Here's something you might find to be of interest. In it, this guy says Europeans use tren like we use test.
Originally Posted by hojo33 @ bodybuildingforyou.com
06-16-2005, 10:03 AM
06-16-2005, 11:21 AM
Ya, that was an interesting read! I may give that a go and run tren A for 2-4 weeks, with mabey some Var.. It would be a real mild cycle, and i really have nothing to lose by trying it..Originally Posted by John6
06-16-2005, 04:05 PM
This is exactly what I'm running.Originally Posted by Cuffs
06-16-2005, 04:10 PM
You also have to take into account what the article posted above said regarding test and that it tends to amplify the side effects of whatever else you're taking with the test.
I'm a prime example of that, I'm running tren only and I have essentially no side effects other than the fact that I'll have to buy bigger boxer shorts by the end of my cycle.
06-16-2005, 04:12 PM
i did tren only for 8 weeks @ 75mg/day. Great roid with great strength and body comp results, but I wouldn't use it again without test. I had NEGATIVE sex drive for about 10 weeks leading into summer, needless to say that totally sucked.
06-16-2005, 04:23 PM
Eh i am married, and lately i have no sex drive as it is, and i am on nothing( not sure why).. So i really dont mind..LOL
06-17-2005, 07:24 PM
i feel your pain.Originally Posted by imprezivr6
06-17-2005, 07:52 PM
I have heard of quite a few guys talk about really likeing the tren only cycles. I prefer to add test because I like my sex drive!Originally Posted by imprezivr6
and I prefer to add lots of test so I can beat it 13 times a day..
06-17-2005, 07:59 PM
LOL...I know what you mean. That's how my first marriage was. However, my second one is different being I have to keep up with my wife who is 10 years younger. Keeps me feeling young.Originally Posted by imprezivr6
06-17-2005, 08:30 PM
I have used low dose tren with dhea. It was very nice.
06-18-2005, 06:08 AM
I, too, feel your pain. At times I find it disturibng.Originally Posted by imprezivr6
06-18-2005, 09:47 AM
Yea that is why i am not worried about sex drive.. I really dont want to deal with the sides on this short cycle if i dont have to, just to have a sex drive, that i havent had fr the last month or two as it is..LOL
06-24-2005, 06:36 PM
06-24-2005, 08:21 PM
06-26-2005, 09:34 AM
I ran tren 75mg eod solo and had great results... my sex drive was fine throughout.
06-26-2005, 09:40 AM
Interesting... can u report more about how your cycle did go?Originally Posted by James
06-26-2005, 09:42 AM
Question: which would be the minimal test dosage to counter the libido depressing effect of tren?
06-26-2005, 11:22 AM
For how long?Originally Posted by demon
I think i am going to try a 4wk tren, npp cycle at 75mg tren EOD and 100mg NPP Eod.. Should do it in mid october, when it cools down, ill keep you guys posted..
06-27-2005, 06:31 PM
I ws wondering the same thing but was guessing that 100-150 mg of a long ester test per week would do the trick. Any other suggestions??Originally Posted by Syr
06-28-2005, 03:42 PM
6weeks...and had no libido problems..Originally Posted by imprezivr6
06-28-2005, 07:21 PM
So the addition of test prop would counter simply the libido problems?
I understand the adding the test (for example 200-250mg every week) would make the gains much better and fight the libido problems, but are there any other reasons for adding the test?
My reason asking is that if one ran a 75mg tren only cycle and was not worrying about the loss of sex drive then wouldn't this cycle be perfect. From what I have been reading it seems that the mood swings and lack of sex drive are the only sides and that test would only add uo potential side effects that one would be trying to avoid, hence the reaosn they are running the tren only cycle. Anybody mind chiming in on this?
06-28-2005, 08:55 PM
If we were trying merely to avoid libido problems then I imagine 250 mgs every week would be a bit much. I would say 250 every two weeks (or actually 125-150 every week, a normal dose for HRT) would be enough to just keep libido up and yet low enough to avoid sides. All opinions on this welcome.....I'm just taking a guess here.Originally Posted by PGJPB
06-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Yeah, I am just guessing as well. What I was getting at is, are there any reasons to add test to a tren cycle other than better gains and to avoid libido problems?Originally Posted by Gethuge
Because from what I have been reading, it seems that one can make some good gains that are easy to keep and hardly any side effects (well, lower chances of) if one runs the tren by itself.
Or would some test run at low levels just sort of "normalize" things and not bring up any side effects. it seems that if one is happy with the results from tren and doens't miss the sex drive, adding test only increases the chance of side effects.
06-29-2005, 02:33 AM
i personally would not do it...tren makes me feel like **** and thats with near a gram of test a week with it.....i get in a ****ty mood, sweat a lot, sleep like ****, have weird ass dreams, and am moody as hell, and it destroys my appetite by giving me bad gurd.....i cant imagine running it alone...im a competitive powerlifter and i have found the best thing to do with tren is run it only 3 shots a week at 100mgs per shot...i train 3 times a week and i really like to take tren at about 6 weeks out from a meet and i like to shoot it 3 times a week 24 hours out from my work out....running it ed at 75 mgs a day the sides killed me even at eod at 75mgs it still was bad...24 hrs beforea work out really helps me a lot during my most intesnse training...rb
06-29-2005, 06:07 AM
Roughly how many lbs did you gain in 6 weeks?Originally Posted by demon
06-29-2005, 06:19 AM
Imo, the dhea stops most of the sides you may get from tren. Mood was great. Sex drive fantastic.Originally Posted by Syr
No probs whatsoever coming off the tren. No muscle loss at all as far as I can tell.
Sweet combo. I think it would be fine to run dhea in place of test.
I am thinking dhea/tren/eq for the next time transitioning into dhea/eq for a long period of time.
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