Extremely fusturated and angry.

[Mcballz]

OKay... what the **** GIVES!?!?!?

every time I take a stupid shot of my Test cyp. I feel extremely tired and unmotivated the next few days. It's been killing me at work so bad.

I had skipped my pin for an entire 7 days, just letting the 150mg go a week.
Started feeling better!!
Decided to cut the dosage down to 75mg x2!!. Pinned 75mg yesterday and today it's back. Feeling so ****ing lazy and ****ty.

Where the hell is all the energy supposed to be!?!? I don't have ED anymore. That's great, I had my libido back for a while to.

Could this be crappy test cyp?

I was feeling ****ty and started taking 25mg proviron. No effect. Except one day. I felt incredibly great! Full of energy, happy, motivated. I had a great day. I thought it must have been the proviron but the next day I was right back to feeling ****ing ****ty!!

God I'm so angry and fusturated.
One 've able to afford blood work for another week or two

 

[kenpoengineer]

Could be you are having issues with the carrier oil type or the preservative. Is this pharma grade? Taking an AI like Anastrozole or something else? Bloodwork tests?

 

[Mcballz]

Could be you are having issues with the carrier oil type or the preservative. Is this pharma grade? Taking an AI like Anastrozole or something else? Bloodwork tests?

Won't be able to do blood work for another week or so.
It's made with an oil called Ethyl Oleate.
Makes it smooth and less painless. Is it possible I'm having some sort of reaction to that?

I just got some stuff in today. Maxpro sustanon 250.
Thinking about switching to this and let it have a try

 

[Nac]

Weird, most brewers will avoid EO unless absolutely necessary...shouldnt be necessary at all with standard test cyp. Is yours just basic 300mg ml?

Yes, people can react badly to EO.

 

[skinnybones]

Also, I have thought that I was getting Test C from a UGL and it ended up being mislabeled. I only found out initially from the sides, then questioned the UGL...it happens. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Mcballz]

As far as the EO for injection pain, I've had very little to none. I even shot into my bicep . My only regret is trying to put it into my calf. Figured since I'd be walking all day that would get it good and worked in.
Man on man did that ****ing hurt. I had trouble walking. Limping big time for days.

 

[Mcballz]

Also, I have thought that I was getting Test C from a UGL and it ended up being mislabeled. I only found out initially from the sides, then questioned the UGL...it happens. Just throwing it out there.

Mislabeled for what then? What did it turn out to be? .
I have a bunch of testim gel I got for free. Maybe I should drop the shots and go on that for a while. I did just pin 75mg of the max pro sustanon. That will be it for a whole week depending how it turns out. I wonder if I'll feel any better from that.

 

[Mcballz]

Could be you are having issues with the carrier oil type or the preservative. Is this pharma grade? Taking an AI like Anastrozole or something else? Bloodwork tests?

Can't afford bloods for another week.
I did a lot of research and decided I had tanked my e2 with 2mg arimidex a week.
I dropped the adex completely thinking I was low. But it slipped my mind that I had gained 23lbs in 7 weeks. Not working out all that much since I became tired and lazy. That can only be mostly water weight. I don't have any nipple symptoms at all. Maybe I'm just one of those guys that don't get it, even though I'm fat and flabby and have man tits. Not gyno but definetly some moobs. I took a whole mg of adex last night to see what it would do. I woke up with a very hard boner, and felt like I got better sleep. I also took a shot of b complex. But after getting to work I started feeling like I wanted to go law down. Constantly. I just want to stop working. I'm not super tired. Just this awful feeling of low drive. How is lethargy defined? Idk what the **** this is but it's like a physiological thing.. I really want to work hard at my job. The harder I work the mote I make. And I can keep going but for some reason everything inside me wants me to go home and lay down. Omg some one help PLEASE ... **** this stupid ****. I should be feeling great!! Arrreggggvvv

 

[skinnybones]

Mislabeled for what then? What did it turn out to be? .
I have a bunch of testim gel I got for free. Maybe I should drop the shots and go on that for a while. I did just pin 75mg of the max pro sustanon. That will be it for a whole week depending how it turns out. I wonder if I'll feel any better from that.

Turned out to be deca

 

[Mcballz]

Turned out to be deca

Hmmm well I got 3 of the same bottles of test cyp, from an EU vendor. They had a shortage on cyp so I wonder if they threw it together real fast to get it shipped...

Im gonna switch to this maxpro sustanon 250 for a while and see how I feel on that.
What so you guys think I'll experience differently?

 

[Mcballz]

Turned out to be deca

Hmmm well I got 3 of the same bottles of test cyp, from an EU vendor. They had a shortage on cyp when I placed my order and it was delayed by a week or more. so I wonder if they threw it together real fast to get it shipped...

Im gonna switch to this maxpro sustanon 250 for a while and see how I feel on that.
What do you guys think I'll experience differently? Test Cyp vs Sustanon?

 

[Nac]

Negative reactions to EO are not limited solely to inj site.

Just sayin

 

[rascal14]

Have you kept anything consistent for even two weeks? You post every couple days about some erratic change in your dosing. No wonder you feel like **** all the time lol

 

[Mcballz]

Have you kept anything consistent for even two weeks? You post every couple days about some erratic change in your dosing. No wonder you feel like **** all the time lol

Nope. Been talking about the same issue

 

[Mcballz]

Have you kept anything consistent for even two weeks? You post every couple days about some erratic change in your dosing. No wonder you feel like **** all the time lol

All my post... read them smart guy. Same 300mg t weekly. 250iu HCG. You're just out to be a prick.
Im just now dropping my dosage. First change in 8 weeks.
Quit being an immature little jerk. Get a life.

 

[yates84]

Won't be able to do blood work for another week or so.
It's made with an oil called Ethyl Oleate.
Makes it smooth and less painless. Is it possible I'm having some sort of reaction to that?

I just got some stuff in today. Maxpro sustanon 250.
Thinking about switching to this and let it have a try

Ethyl oleate is actually a natural byproduct of the body when expelling ethanol. This means it's pretty safe and very few people react negatively to it. It's very common for short ester aas to contain a small percentage of EO because it really helps keep suspension on these short esters with way less chance of crashing. more guys are pinning eo than realize.

 

[rascal14]

All my post... read them smart guy. Same 300mg t weekly. 250iu HCG. You're just out to be a prick.
Im just now dropping my dosage. First change in 8 weeks.
Quit being an immature little jerk. Get a life.

Sporadic AI usage and you used the Testim Gel randomly at a few tubes a week then stopped.

 

[jameschoi]

Sporadic AI usage and you used the Testim Gel randomly at a few tubes a week then stopped.

Triggered. You better get witness protection.

 

[Mcballz]

Sporadic AI usage and you used the Testim Gel randomly at a few tubes a week then stopped.

Well then what the hell do you suggest I do? Im feeling crappy. And no one else seems to have had something like this happen. Don't be scanning forums looking for people to attack to make you feel better about yourself.
Should I just keep on going forever? Feeling like crap? Or try and do something about it?

 

[Mcballz]

Ethyl oleate is actually a natural byproduct of the body when expelling ethanol. This means it's pretty safe and very few people react negatively to it. It's very common for short ester aas to contain a small percentage of EO because it really helps keep suspension on these short esters with way less chance of crashing. more guys are pinning eo than realize.

Nice. Very good insight. Thanks for that information.
I'm wondering if something about the brand I'm using is just ****ty.

 

[yates84]

Nice. Very good insight. Thanks for that information.
I'm wondering if something about the brand I'm using is just ****ty.

Sounds like it bro, shouldn't be feeling bad after pinning. I would test it and see if it's even test, very well could be another substance in there. Doesn't sound like legit gear at all though.

 

[MrKleen73]

Well then what the hell do you suggest I do? Im feeling crappy. And no one else seems to have had something like this happen. Don't be scanning forums looking for people to attack to make you feel better about yourself.
Should I just keep on going forever? Feeling like crap? Or try and do something about it?

Not trying to be a dick here, but I would suggest you relax and not attack well respected veteran members of this board because you don't understand or are frustrated with your situation. Your communication style was erratic at best. Perhaps that is because you are frustrated and almost panicking. However, in this thread without including a timeline you have mentioned adding proviron, playing with an AI, as well as changing esters and gear sources. So to anyone reading your post it looks like you have been jumping from one thing to another trying to resolve this without giving any of the adjustments time to set in...

He was trying to help not be an ass... however your response was somewhat "bitchy". I am sure you didn't intend to come off that way... but it definitely did. Maybe has something to do with the hormones being out of whack... Either way, you will want keep that type of aggression away from here if you want to be respected, and continue to be helped on the forum. We all try and help one another here, don't be so quick to assume because someone critiques how you are handling the situation that they are not also trying to help you. That was pretty over the top! rascal14 is a stand up guy with a good reputation on here. Not someone looking for people to attack...

The very first response asked you if you were on pharma grade gear... You have even stated yourself that the gear was probably tossed together just to get the order out you. So the most likely scenario is that you have bad gear.

Try the other gear you have, use the sustanon but take it twice a week at a minimum. The esters in it are not meant to be taken only once a week. More like every 2-3 days. If that doesn't help then my suggestion, if you want to be on TRT get on it legally and ask a doctor to resolve your strange issue. I have a feeling it is more than likely just bad gear. If you don't know how to get on TRT legally an easy way is a high dosed Ostarine run followed by a blood test at your PCP or urologist. Your test levels will be low and your liver and lipid values, wont be trashed so it won't be obvious you just came off a cycle to shut down testosterone production.

Sounds like it bro, shouldn't be feeling bad after pinning. I would test it and see if it's even test, very well could be another substance in there. Doesn't sound like legit gear at all though.

Agreed!

 

[rascal14]

Well then what the hell do you suggest I do? Im feeling crappy. And no one else seems to have had something like this happen. Don't be scanning forums looking for people to attack to make you feel better about yourself.
Should I just keep on going forever? Feeling like crap? Or try and do something about it?

I suggest the same thing I did previously. Keep everything consistent for a few weeks, get blood work, readjust based off of your blood work, wait a few weeks, get more blood work, and continue this cycle until you feel good.

Or, go to a doctor and have them walk you through it since you have been largely unsuccessful thus far. I'm not being a dick, you keep changing things way too early and often for you to get any kind of normalization from your routine. No one can help you but yourself at this point. You've been given great advice by everyone on here since you came here LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, and have posted all kinds of nonsense in those three weeks of you adding in different orals, adding in Test Gel out of no where, and having no structure to your AI dosage.

 

[Mcballz]

I suggest the same thing I did previously. Keep everything consistent for a few weeks, get blood work, readjust based off of your blood work, wait a few weeks, get more blood work, and continue this cycle until you feel good.

Or, go to a doctor and have them walk you through it since you have been largely unsuccessful thus far. I'm not being a dick, you keep changing things way too early and often for you to get any kind of normalization from your routine. No one can help you but yourself at this point. You've been given great advice by everyone on here since you came here LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, and have posted all kinds of nonsense in those three weeks of you adding in different orals, adding in Test Gel out of no where, and having no structure to your AI dosage.

Actually 2 to 3 weeks is about when I make a change.
I'm doing pretty good now. It was estrogen build up.
Cut my dose in half then did a down stack of adex.
I went 1mg, 2 days later .5mg. 2 days later .25mg, .25mg. .25mg. .12.5mg .12.5mg
Definetly feeling a lot better.

Feeling great.

 

[Mcballz]

It is most definetly test. Gained 20lbs.
Don't need Viagra anymore.
Before I had little to no sex drive and now I want it on lunch break at work. Lol!
Going smoother now.

 

[Mcballz]

Not trying to be a dick here, but I would suggest you relax and not attack well respected veteran members of this board because you don't understand or are frustrated with your situation. Your communication style was erratic at best. Perhaps that is because you are frustrated and almost panicking. However, in this thread without including a timeline you have mentioned adding proviron, playing with an AI, as well as changing esters and gear sources. So to anyone reading your post it looks like you have been jumping from one thing to another trying to resolve this without giving any of the adjustments time to set in...

He was trying to help not be an ass... however your response was somewhat "bitchy". I am sure you didn't intend to come off that way... but it definitely did. Maybe has something to do with the hormones being out of whack... Either way, you will want keep that type of aggression away from here if you want to be respected, and continue to be helped on the forum. We all try and help one another here, don't be so quick to assume because someone critiques how you are handling the situation that they are not also trying to help you. That was pretty over the top! rascal14 is a stand up guy with a good reputation on here. Not someone looking for people to attack...

The very first response asked you if you were on pharma grade gear... You have even stated yourself that the gear was probably tossed together just to get the order out you. So the most likely scenario is that you have bad gear.

Try the other gear you have, use the sustanon but take it twice a week at a minimum. The esters in it are not meant to be taken only once a week. More like every 2-3 days. If that doesn't help then my suggestion, if you want to be on TRT get on it legally and ask a doctor to resolve your strange issue. I have a feeling it is more than likely just bad gear. If you don't know how to get on TRT legally an easy way is a high dosed Ostarine run followed by a blood test at your PCP or urologist. Your test levels will be low and your liver and lipid values, wont be trashed so it won't be obvious you just came off a cycle to shut down testosterone production.



Agreed!

I've been to 3 doctors.
One pushed me off on an endocrinologist that cannot see me until frickin January.

I did switch to the sust. I am feeling a lot better but I also went back to adex and did a stack down based on my own calculations. Worked out great

I don't care much about anyone's rep number. It's just intangible digits on a screen.
I'm not going to suck up to anyone to get rep points. I am here to exchange knowledge and that's it.
I do know a thing or two myself. I'm no dull object.
But thanks for everything else.

 

[Mcballz]

I suggest the same thing I did previously. Keep everything consistent for a few weeks, get blood work, readjust based off of your blood work, wait a few weeks, get more blood work, and continue this cycle until you feel good.

Or, go to a doctor and have them walk you through it since you have been largely unsuccessful thus far. I'm not being a dick, you keep changing things way too early and often for you to get any kind of normalization from your routine. No one can help you but yourself at this point. You've been given great advice by everyone on here since you came here LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, and have posted all kinds of nonsense in those three weeks of you adding in different orals, adding in Test Gel out of no where, and having no structure to your AI dosage.

"Less than a month ago"

Don't give a F_ck. Doesn't mean you can jump my sh-t with me taking a bit of offense.
Don't give a f-ck how new I am, or how many rep points anyone has.
What I do respect is some ones temperament, and knowledge.

Hope that's insightful.

 

[rascal14]

"Less than a month ago"

Don't give a F_ck. Doesn't mean you can jump my sh-t with me taking a bit of offense.
Don't give a f-ck how new I am, or how many rep points anyone has.
What I do respect is some ones temperament, and knowledge.

Hope that's insightful.

I still suggest you see a psychiatrist. Lol

 

[DemntedCowboy]

"Less than a month ago"

Don't give a F_ck. Doesn't mean you can jump my sh-t with me taking a bit of offense.
Don't give a f-ck how new I am, or how many rep points anyone has.
What I do respect is some ones temperament, and knowledge.

Hope that's insightful.

Bro, either your estrogen is all whacked as Sh!t or you just out right crazy. Maybe you should drop all gear all together, see a doctor and take up badminton or something....Just saying.
Your going off on people trying to help you.

 

[Mcballz]

Have you kept anything consistent for even two weeks? You post every couple days about some erratic change in your dosing. No wonder you feel like **** all the time lol

This is where you started it. I didn't come at you like that.
It's clear to me by the tone of your reply you're just seeking to blow some steam by condescending to me.
No one else that replied before you came at me like that. And everything was peaceful and fine. Some well respected member. I'm not impressed with you.

I'm doing pretty damn good right now. I hit a rough spot and figured it out on my own.
But I do enjoy just brain storming with others.

 

[Mcballz]

Bro, either your estrogen is all whacked as Sh!t or you just out right crazy. Maybe you should drop all gear all together, see a doctor and take up badminton or something....Just saying.
Your going off on people trying to help you.

Nope doing great, but thanks. Balanced things out all on my own.

And some one not kissing your ass doesn't mean they're "crazy"
That's just ridiculous. Like a bunch of high schoolers having these out landish insults because I'm not bowing down to you.
Crazy is shooting up a bunch of people like in Vegas.

Get lost. Don't give a f@ck what you think.
I'm allowed to post when and where I want. And I'll enjoy chiming in and having fun.
Don't care if the smartest kids with down syndrome don't like me.

 

[Mcballz]

I see it quite often, some of You "senior members" get a big head and come in teaming up on new comers kissing each other's ass.
Because you have some rep power number in the screen you got kissing a bunch of brown eye.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Nope doing great, but thanks. Balanced things out all on my own.

And some one not kissing your ass doesn't mean they're "crazy"
That's just ridiculous. Like a bunch of high schoolers having these out landish insults because I'm not bowing down to you.
Crazy is shooting up a bunch of people like in Vegas.

Get lost. Don't give a f@ck what you think.
I'm allowed to post when and where I want. And I'll enjoy chiming in and having fun.
Don't care if the smartest kids with down syndrome don't like me.

You know what d0uchebag. Enjoy your tits, and non working d!ck. And you wanna say something stupid about Vegas and kids with downs. Good job idiot. I care less about rep points or who's senior around here, and neither do 90% around here. We are all just trying to help you. And I personally take offense to you talking about Vegas and kids with downs. So piss off, I seen more and did more in my life than you will ever know or even understand. If you dont want the help why post asking for it. Now please shut the f*** up and get bent and go put on a wig and work whatever corner you came from. Cause with your new tits you gonna have and no d!ck I'm sure you'll do great as a $3 hooker

 

[Mcballz]

You know what d0uchebag. Enjoy your tits, and non working d!ck. And you wanna say something stupid about Vegas and kids with downs. Good job idiot. I care less about rep points or who's senior around here, and neither do 90% around here. We are all just trying to help you. And I personally take offense to you talking about Vegas and kids with downs. So piss off, I seen more and did more in my life than you will ever know or even understand. If you dont want the help why post asking for it. Now please shut the f*** up and get bent and go put on a wig and work whatever corner you came from. Cause with your new tits you gonna have and no d!ck I'm sure you'll do great as a $3 hooker

Woaaahhh!! And you're saying my estrogen is out of wack. Look at you. Lol!
Losing your cool.
I said crazy is shooting up a bunch of people like the Vegas shooting. That's how crazy is defined.
And now where the hell are you getting off? Acting like I'm insulting the Vegas shooting.
You sure aren't the smartest.

 

[Mcballz]

And I'm gonna keep on talking as much as I want. I'll make it a point to stick around throwing my two cents in where ever I so desire. And I'll frollick around happily while doing it.

But thanks pumpkin

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Woaaahhh!! And you're saying my estrogen is out of wack. Look at you. Lol!
Losing your cool.
I said crazy is shooting up a bunch of people like the Vegas shooting. That's how crazy is defined.
And now where the hell are you getting off? Acting like I'm insulting the Vegas shooting.
You sure aren't the smartest.

I am alot smarter than you. I can gaurantee that. Now I'm done with you. Enjoy your stupidity.

 

[Mcballz]

I am alot smarter than you. I can gaurantee that. Now I'm done with you. Enjoy your stupidity.

Smarter? I wouldn't step THAT far.
By the response I just read earlier I have my own conclusion of your IQ level.
And needless to say I'm not impressed.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Smarter? I wouldn't step THAT far.
By the response I just read earlier I have my own conclusion of your IQ level.
And needless to say I'm not impressed.

I have a masters degree, and I'm a Combat Vet. While you have a highschool education, maybe even a GED. If even that. Again, I'm done with you, go enjoy your tits.

 

[Mcballz]

I have a masters degree, and I'm a Combat Vet. While you have a highschool education, maybe even a GED. If even that. Again, I'm done with you, go enjoy your tits.

Shows how much you know.

School or GTFO

 

[Mcballz]

Niether of those mean you're smart.
But thanks for serving our country.

 

[Mcballz]

Reported. BTW

 

[kenpoengineer]

Reported. BTW

Same. Goodbye.

 

[Mcballz]

Same. Goodbye.

Lol reporting me for what?
Who you talking to?

 

[Mcballz]

GFY. Pos.