Ostar1ne Cycle

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Hey everyone! I'm new to this forum and to ostarine use. I just ordered some ostar1ne and am waiting for it currently. Just want to make sure I'm all good to go.
Age: 20
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 165
Bf %: fluxuates between 7-10%

Bench: can't bench because of shoulder injuries in my labrum. I replace with db bench and puts alot less pressure. db bench two 110 lbs db
Deadlift: hit 435 before slipping a disk in my lower back
Squat: could squat 350. If I squat now it'll be light because of back

Goal: to put on more muscle and strength while still dealing with injuries. Hopefully ostarine to help with healing injuries also.

So I'll be taking
-15-25 mg of ostarine for 6 weeks. (Starting at 15mg)
-forma stanzol v3 as AI
-and clomid as pct 50/50/50/50 or maybe 50/50/25/25. Just don't want to take the risk of shutdown.
- aside from those I'll be using a multi, creatine, pretty workout, whey, fish oil, and milk thistle (maybe)

So does everything look pretty good? Any recommendations? Let me know!
 
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You dont really need an AI on osta.I will probably drop the dosage of clomid post cycle maybe just 25 25 25 25. Osta is not really suppressive you wont be much shutdown with just 15-20mg of osta.
 
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Agree with above, the AI is a good idea to have on hand but you can use it as needed. You shouldn't have to have a strict dosing schedule if you're not experiencing elevated estrogen side effects.

Also I always recommend a SERM for Osta pct, but I don think you need to run Clomid that high.
50/25/25 should suffice.

Also Ostarine has the potential to heal or improve damaged cartilage and soft tissue, so if your injuries are not related to those things, don't expect some healing miracle.
 

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The forma stanzol vs I could keep just in case. But would it hurt to use? I've heard of people using forma stanzol by itself and seeing gains. So I was thinking it could also help see results during my cylce.
 

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And I'm glad to hear I can use a smaller dose of clomid. I read some people saying 50/50/50/50 and it made me nervous. The 3 week at a lower dose seems more practical for something as mild as ostarine.
 
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Overuse would not be good. I don't know that much about the product, but as AIs go it could dry you out, negating some of the joint lubricating effects of Ostar1ne.
 
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And I'm glad to hear I can use a smaller dose of clomid. I read some people saying 50/50/50/50 and it made me nervous. The 3 week at a lower dose seems more practical for something as mild as ostarine.
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Ill post a full froma stanzol description. I've heard alot of good results with it. Let me know what you think. Sounds like an all purpose type of thing. I'm asking because I already bought it and want to get use out of it.
 

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Wow it looks like cytadren.....honestly i didnt see any good things about cytadren
 
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This is merely my opinion...

I think the use of claims regarding increased IGF-1 has been so overly hyped it's ridiculous. I think there are better gains to be made with having a little estrogen in your system than with a marketed claim of GH or IGF-1 increase. Estrogen is your muscle building friend when it's balanced.
 

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Gottcha. Well I'll probably either just hang onto it and see if anything pops up or I'll use it around week 5 and through pct.
 

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Another question would be what could I take with ostar1ne to maximize my gains? Not look to use ph's or injectables. Just something to use along side or help boost the effects.
 
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My upcoming Ostar1ne cycle will be with Dermacrine and Elim1nate. I may continue with my MyoSynergy as well- I haven't decided yet.
I'm looking for some good recomp out of this stack.

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Another question would be what could I take with ostar1ne to maximize my gains? Not look to use ph's or injectables. Just something to use along side or help boost the effects.
Ep1c Unleashed. I used OG Ep1c with Ostar1ne and it was fantastic. I could imagine the new formula.
 

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Awesome thanks guys. How much does epic run as far as price?
 

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Oh yeah and another thing I was wondering is should I split the dosage? They're 5mg each. Or does it not matter because the half life is so long?
 
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You dont really need an AI on osta.I will probably drop the dosage of clomid post cycle maybe just 25 25 25 25. Osta is not really suppressive you wont be much shutdown with just 15-20mg of osta.
I just finished 2.5 months of Ostarine and had bloodwork last week ~ Test level was 54 :eek: was 402 back in Jan
 

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What brand did you take? Did you run pct? How many mg? And 2.5 is kind of a while don't ya think? I heard maximum you should do is 8 weeks and even that's pushing it.
 
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Oh yeah and another thing I was wondering is should I split the dosage? They're 5mg each. Or does it not matter because the half life is so long?
Can be taken all at once, once a day.
 

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Well those test levels are making me worried. Can someone else chime in to help me know as to why this would happen? I'm 20, would I get permanently damaged? I've never cycled anything before and this makes me nervous
 
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Well those test levels are making me worried. Can someone else chime in to help me know as to why this would happen? I'm 20, would I get permanently damaged? I've never cycled anything before and this makes me nervous
Oh shiit you're 20!!

I'm not sure I recommend anything I previously said. Except the Ep1c Unleashed, maybe some Vital1ty (creatine/betaine anhydrous), a good pre workout, Conqu3r of course and solid diet. Taking anything that requires a pct is just dumb at your age. Why try to bring your natural test back, when it's at it's prime on it's own. Get your diet right bro and choose a goal accordingly and progress will come.
 
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Anything hormonal will be waiting for you when you actually need it.
 

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The only reason why is because of my injuries. If I'm not gaining progress right now at my prime then I probably never will. My injuries are the kind that will be with me for the rest of my life and I want that extra push. I reached a plateau. But because I absolutely won't grow anymore, but because my injuries won't let me. I try to lift heavier weight and everything feels fine and then all of a sudden I'm in pain again and have to take another week or two off. I just want to give it a try. If it doesn't help then I won't look back.
 

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And also my macros have been perfect for over a year now. My diet and training has been on point. I wish I never wrestled in high school because I wouldn't the injuries I'm dealing with now.
 
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Thats strange bro. Osta shouldn t be so much suppressive however if your level of test are at 54 a standard pct is raccommended. Clomid or Nolva and a test booster
 
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Thats strange bro. Osta shouldn t be so much suppressive however if your level of test are at 54 a standard pct is raccommended. Clomid or Nolva and a test booster
Nolva and androgel was used for pct. I agree it shouldn't that suppressive - it's never been that low after any cycle of anything
 

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And could you elaborate on dosage and other products you were taking? Brand?
 
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20-25 a day. No other product that would effect tests levels.
i just started osta to i'm planning to run 8-9 weeks max 20-25 mg did you use for cutting or bulking ? was the suppression worth it ? and the most important what the side effect thanks for your answer.
 

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Sorry for insisting but in a lot of webs and also a lot of people tell that Ostar1ne does not aromatize. So why is neccesary taking an AI? And also clomid as pct? If you only take 15mg during 4 weeks I have read that pct is not necesary. I ordered sup3r PCT, is enought or clomid should be taken instead it?

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What about blackstone labs anogenin?
Never. Forget you even looked at it. The dose is what I would give to my cat and she still would probably not even feel a difference.
 
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Sorry for insisting but in a lot of webs and also a lot of people tell that Ostar1ne does not aromatize. So why is neccesary taking an AI? And also clomid as pct? If you only take 15mg during 4 weeks I have read that pct is not necesary. I ordered sup3r PCT, is enought or clomid should be taken instead it?

Thanks a lot
Ok...here we go.
OSTA is said to reduce SHBG which will then cause an increase in free test as well as free estrogen. This is why some people have reported Gyno flare symptoms and a bit of bloat. The more successful OSTA cycles are those that include a quality OTC AI such as Inhibit-E, Myokem Alphadex, BLR Letrone for example...
 

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this is a good explanation Ricky,. thanks a lot for your help, in other hand, is ok the sup3r pct for post cycle? thanks a lot again
 
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this is a good explanation Ricky,. thanks a lot for your help, in other hand, is ok the sup3r pct for post cycle? thanks a lot again
Oh sure!

Clomid never hurts in PCT...it will get you where you want to be much faster than Sup3r PCT.
 

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Problem is to find it, i will run only 15mg during four weeks of Ostar1ne so I would try sup3r pct instead clomid
 
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If you can get tamoxifen (aka nolvadex) and a pharma AI (aromasin or arimidex) then I don't think you've anything to worry about. Some people recommend clomid, others recommend nolva.

But why make so many posts asking if running only Sup3r PCT will be ok if you have the good stuff? I guess you could try Sup3r PCT, and if it doesn't work, you've got the pharma stuff ready to go.
 

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I thought that tamox could be hard for an Ostarine cycle. But thanks for your advice! I will do that
 
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I thought that tamox could be hard for an Ostarine cycle. But thanks for your advice! I will do that
It might be. People have mixed results with ostarine.

But after being given advice here and spending my cycle researching, I realised that buying the pharma-grade stuff (before starting) to be safe, was the smart thing to do.

Edit: To be clear, I bought the pharma stuff when I was told do. I then researched and decided that I'd been given good advice and was glad I had followed it. Lol.
 

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