This has always been my understanding as well. I guess my main concern is when I get my testosterone levels tested while maintaining my TRT dose all the meanwhile running a cycle of Msten, will anything show up out of the ordinary or is it just high levels of testosterone Cyp that would be noticed?
I got bloods on an epi cycle few years ago just for ****s and giggles and my total test was way more than my off cycle test lvls. I don't remember exactly but I think it was more than double.
Nothing much should show up other than really high test. People get qualified to go on TRT by doing something as simple as Halo because it will suppress test levels as it isn't actually testosterone. S they do it and get tested while on and just like that they get it.
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I was right in my thinking.
This is what I was trying to say before so why people say their test levels go up on these compounds is beyond me.. Something else is obviously at work
Interesting. I was running epi, trenazone and stano when I ran my blood. Maybe placebo raised my test lvl idk
good to see someone else speaking from experience and not repeating some bro science
Haha dude think about it a bit. Just think common sense. Maybe some random blood tests will show that buts it's odd. Science even says this. Epi, stano and trenazone are not testosterone. Not even close. Epi and stano are closer related to DHT actually. But since they suppress natural testosterone production, after a few weeks your test levels will be low. No natural production. OK? So since Epi, trenazone, and stano aren't testosterone neither do they convert to testosterone, technically test levels on bloodwork should be crap. I don't know at what time in the cycle these tests were ran but... And not bro science. Real science. Bro science is you telling g someone how it worked for you an him taking it as the dead serious facts and using that info for himself. Yes experience is good to share it helps expectations being prepared.
Wrong.
Consider what you are taking and the quality and purity of the raw materials. This industry is unregulated and certainly not self regulated. Methyl-testsoterone, a very innexpensive steroid, that is probably contaminating every designer raw that is sourced from China, will raise your testosterone.
Then enlighten us;-) I'd like to have the facts if I apparently don't already
Yeah that makes sense. If what I'm take isn't pure and something in it raises test on bloodwork then I can completely understand that. But talking pure Hdrol, or Epi, would it raise test on the charts?
No.
Yeah this is what I was saying. I guess I was thinking like all products are pure which they aren't always..
This is pretty much what I expected to hear. I wanted to double check my assumptions. Thanks.
What are you talking about??
I think you're confused. We're not talking about raising or lowering our natural endogenous levels, but how exogenous compounds affect testosterone levels through blood work testing.
Lol this is funny. As David Dunn said, only exogenous testosterone will make test levels go up on the charts. I would say he knows what he's talking about. I'd like you to run Deca for 12-16 weeks get blood tests and see if your test is raised lol. But then if the by chance would be, you Deca is not pure but as some form of Testosterone in it
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actually its the opposite reasoning that brings about the elevated estrogen on cycle.....your testosterone is essentially bottomed out (with most stuff, not all....some stuff is relatively mild like hdrol or 11-oxo and the like) therefore with the imbalance of having no testosterone to speak of, your endocrine system says lets ramp up estrogen production (maybe on cycle, maybe on the rebound). Most all steroids and DS/PH crash your endogenous test....that is the reason we PCT, to bring back testosterone production and stabilize the HPTA so that everything is back in balance. Like I was saying earlier, if you run ACTUAL test.....THEN you will see an increase in total test #'s that would sound an alarm with the doctor.....your T/E ratio will be off in addition to having elevated test levels, yet another indicator you are using exogenous test. The Epitestosterone/testosterone ratio is a test used on athletes especially...you see it in MLB or NFL etc steroid use accusations. Upshot is that only testosterone can raise your testosterone levels.....none of these other AAS or DS/PH can do that, unless they are a PH to test...they actually have the opposite effect. I understand some guys propose they have higher sex drive or whatever on epi or on some PH/DS....but that rise in sex drive has nothing to do with testosterone increase....and as far as higher than normal test #'s on labs while on AAS/DS? Thats about as anomalous as it gets
That shouldn't happen, ever....
They have to specifically test for them.
Fixed.
Yes
Just test cyp unless your other compounds are contaminated
It wasn't from the epi
The only way this is possible is if the testing company was looking for other androgens, or your products were contaminated.
This is smart
Stano is a ph to dht, this can mess things up.
Steroids don't raise test levels. They raise androgen levels.
Your fura was prob contaminated
Way to put it on the table.!
I can't figure out where people are getting the idea that these things raise test.
Yea, I figured why risk it. I'm using IML's Msten Rx which should have less than 1% contamination, but I don't want to have the doctor adjust my dosage because of a falsely high test reading due to the Msten, if indeed that's even possible. Drop the msten for a few days, allow it to clear my body, and I should be golden.
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