Best ph as a test base ?

[Gym4Life]

What's the best ph out to run as a test base I use to use dermacrine but it's not around anymore so maybe something from androfactory ??

[Celorza]

I don't know anything about Androfactory first hand , but many here have chimed in about them so look it up.

Back to business:

4-AD converts to testosterone
Stano is popular because it helps fight lethargy and also bloating but is not a test base...

In reality the only real test base is TEST , if you can;t pin I would say 4-AD and/or Stano with Dermacrine (Transdermal DHEA)

[OnionKnight]

dermacrine is very around anymore. if that makes sense

it was re released last week to several online retailors and just made its re apearance at the planet yesterday. $40 pretty much everywhere, which is pretty good

[Gym4Life]

dermacrine is very around anymore. if that makes sense

it was re released last week to several online retailors and just made its re apearance at the planet yesterday. $40 pretty much everywhere, which is pretty good

Wow is it the same formula I see it on nutraplanet thanks bud

[merderah]

In reality the only real test base is TEST

there is only one.

but yeah, 4-AD is good enough for people who can't get actual test or who are scared of needles... will cost more than getting test tho.

[silvercap]

There is none. Get real testosterone and pin it. If you don't have any sources, you haven't been researching enough to juice any way.

[Celorza]

There is none. Get real testosterone and pin it. If you don't have any sources, you haven't been researching enough to juice any way.

That's a statement fail, there are PHs that do convert to test. Do your reading brother.

[DannyT914]

4 ad bro

[jiggero]

BPS just came out with dermacrine

[SPS]

I am currently using 5 alpha test and it is doing a great job of keeping my libido up and lethargy down.

[harbonah]

Well I would say there is no true replacement for a test base assuming you have a prescription....but that being said as stated there are many products on the market that are used with varying degree's of success to combat sides from other hormones....Stanodrol, 11oxo, 11kt spray, 4dhea products or DHEA products like Dermacrine.

[JRam]

Is 4-AD strong enough to require the use of an AI on cycle or is that unnecessary?

[DannyT914]

I am currently using 5 alpha test and it is doing a great job of keeping my libido up and lethargy down.

That's not testosterone the target hormone is Epiandrosterone

[DannyT914]

Is 4-AD strong enough to require the use of an AI on cycle or is that unnecessary?

Still test treat it like test but an OTC is good enough for a moderate dose

[SPS]

That's not testosterone the target hormone is Epiandrosterone

Lol yeah bro I know what it is but you clearly need some education on the subject. It is epiandrosterone and the target hormone is dht. Not sure if you are aware but test is also a prohormone to dht. When your natty test is in the dumps you experience lethargy, low libidio, and generally feeling sh!tty or depressed. Running a dht product can reverse all of those things, it is everything you was out of that "test" base.

[Domenic]

Dermacrine is around, bud, but I know a lot of people also like MENT or Trestobol for lethargy.

[Celorza]

Lol yeah bro I know what it is but you clearly need some education on the subject. It is epiandrosterone and the target hormone is dht. Not sure if you are aware but test is also a prohormone to dht. When your natty test is in the dumps you experience lethargy, low libidio, and generally feeling sh!tty or depressed. Running a dht product can reverse all of those things, it is everything you was out of that "test" base.

The advantage to this is that Test has to go through the aromatization process to generate both estrogen AND dht...with this you only get DHT and thus it does not aromatize and cause unwanted bloating, and DHT itself is an aromataze inhibitor per say.

[Young Gotti]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

but one of these is def nice to have during an oral only cycle

[Celorza]

So like we all said here...4-AD , good source is Advanced Muscle Science 4-AD thanks.

[OnionKnight]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

[Gym4Life]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

but one of these is def nice to have during an oral only cycle

Why do you prefer them two over dermacrine mate ?

Do they have more 4ad in them ?

[Gym4Life]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

Are these things the same then ? Does dermacrine have a good dose of 4ad in then I'm confused by the label on dermacrine lol

[Celorza]

Why do you prefer them two over dermacrine mate ?

Do they have more 4ad in them ?

None of them are 4-AD they are DHEA. He has an old post in another forum pimping it with great detail and love, the thing is...RS Transderm is not around anymore AFAIK and he might have loved it or repped for it, but for now Dermacrine is the best topical DHEA and AMS 4-AD is the most trust worthy source of good conversion 4-AD.

[Gym4Life]

So like we all said here...4-AD , good source is Advanced Muscle Science 4-AD thanks.

Thanks mate appreciate all the help from everyone I will use 4ad as a base for my ph cycle ...

And for the guy who said I should pin test I have used real test before but I don't like the pip from injections and you still risk bunk gear etc i prefer phs over ugl labs

For instance I prefer Epi to anavar and winstrol

And I prefer superdrol over dbol or anadrol ....

I don't wanna pin anymore which is why I'm asking for a good base alternative back in the day I found dermacrine from primordial to really work in this department and I liked their andromass aswell.

[Celorza]

Thanks mate appreciate all the help from everyone I will use 4ad as a base for my ph cycle ...

And for the guy who said I should pin test I have used real test before but I don't like the pip from injections and you still risk bunk gear etc i prefer phs over ugl labs

For instance I prefer Epi to anavar and winstrol

And I prefer superdrol over dbol or anadrol ....

I don't wanna pin anymore which is why I'm asking for a good base alternative back in the day I found dermacrine from primordial to really work in this department and I liked their andromass aswell.

Yeah Primordial Performance was good stuff back when it was around. I too am a Epi fan, and Superdrol...Methylated Masteron haha , IMO it's as potent as dbol but I wouldn't know about Anadrol, never played with them anyway.

[Young Gotti]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

well it was the old dermacrine and it was mainly the carrier....dermacrine was mess and a big glob, also didn't absord very well..it was ok for lethargy but not much more....transderm was a smaller amount of lotion and absorbed better, it was better for lethargy but also for mood and seemed to enhance the benefits of the cycle

[DannyT914]

The advantage to this is that Test has to go through the aromatization process to generate both estrogen AND dht...with this you only get DHT and thus it does not aromatize and cause unwanted bloating, and DHT itself is an aromataze inhibitor per say.

Exactly

[SPS]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

How about PRICE? honestly considering that dermacrine looks more appealing to me

[OnionKnight]

well it was the old dermacrine and it was mainly the carrier....dermacrine was mess and a big glob, also didn't absord very well..it was ok for lethargy but not much more....transderm was a smaller amount of lotion and absorbed better, it was better for lethargy but also for mood and seemed to enhance the benefits of the cycle

ok thats a good argument lol. idk about it now, but it did used to lather all over like rubbing sperm on your body or somethin

[SPS]

rubbing sperm on your body

Lol, do not want.

[druller655321]

i prefer phs over ugl labs

Definitely the first time I've ever heard this, but to each their own.

And I prefer superdrol over dbol or anadrol ....

I too am a big fan of superdrol, however if you think it is a ph you are terribly misinformed.

[Gym4Life]

Definitely the first time I've ever heard this, but to each their own.

I too am a big fan of superdrol, however if you think it is a ph you are terribly misinformed.

Yes mate your correct and I know it's a fully active steroid the same as epistane ...

However as for the I prefer phs to real gear well dbol and anadrol are all just bloat and water weight ...

And anavar and winstrol good for cutting but the muscle gain isn't brilliant compared with Epi or superdrol ....

And as for tbol I haven't used that but for the price I think is rather just run superdrol and get better gains ...

[Gym4Life]

Not to sound stupid everyone but talking about test bases and 4ad being the best doesn't m1t actually convert to test ??? And isn't it stronger ???

Allthough I know you couldn't run it as a base but as a single cycle.

[Celorza]

Not to sound stupid everyone but talking about test bases and 4ad being the best doesn't m1t actually convert to test ??? And isn't it stronger ???

Allthough I know you couldn't run it as a base but as a single cycle.

Thought it converted to 1-Testosterone, that's one of those hard components like SD and Phera that everyone loves lol...don't know much about it's conversions in the body though.

[anaboliko]

ok thats a good argument lol. idk about it now, but it did used to lather all over like rubbing sperm on your body or somethin

This is not true about the current version of Dermacrine. I got mine yesterday, applied it right away and it dried up immediately. I was happily surprised, it doesn't smell either.

[harbonah]

None of them are 4-AD they are DHEA. He has an old post in another forum pimping it with great detail and love, the thing is...RS Transderm is not around anymore AFAIK and he might have loved it or repped for it, but for now Dermacrine is the best topical DHEA and AMS 4-AD is the most trust worthy source of good conversion 4-AD.

Man AMS 4-AD is not bad but the dosing is all jacked up last time I ran it I had to shoot this liquid under my tongue like 10 times a day walking around for 10min at a time trying to keep it there so I got the most out of it I could....cost was about an arm and a leg but I really had zero sides from the other PH's I was using by doing this and it was one hell of a long cycle...

[Celorza]

Man AMS 4-AD is not bad but the dosing is all jacked up last time I ran it I had to shoot this liquid under my tongue like 10 times a day walking around for 10min at a time trying to keep it there so I got the most out of it I could....cost was about an arm and a leg but I really had zero sides from the other PH's I was using by doing this and it was one hell of a long cycle...

AMS now makes it in a sublingual tablet brother and I do recommend their products a lot, quality people and damn nice products indeed. The dosages can now be separated every 6-8 hours and the conversion to test is about 30% more now.

[vidapreta]

Not to sound stupid everyone but talking about test bases and 4ad being the best doesn't m1t actually convert to test ??? And isn't it stronger ???

Allthough I know you couldn't run it as a base but as a single cycle.

Thought it converted to 1-Testosterone, that's one of those hard components like SD and Phera that everyone loves lol...don't know much about it's conversions in the body though.

It doesn't convert into anything, it already is a steroid......It is Methylated 1-Testosterone.

[Celorza]

It doesn't convert into anything, it already is a steroid......It is Methylated 1-Testosterone.

What I meant (and I made a mistake I;m sorry) is that it is 1-Testosterone , the methylation is so it is orally active and it can be synthesized (though damaging) through the liver...

[vidapreta]

What I meant (and I made a mistake I;m sorry) is that it is 1-Testosterone , the methylation is so it is orally active and it can be synthesized (though damaging) through the liver...

I was wondering why you were making such a rookie mistake. ..