[Gym4Life]

What's the best ph out to run as a test base I use to use dermacrine but it's not around anymore so maybe something from androfactory ??

[Celorza]

I don't know anything about Androfactory first hand , but many here have chimed in about them so look it up.

Back to business:

4-AD converts to testosterone
Stano is popular because it helps fight lethargy and also bloating but is not a test base...

In reality the only real test base is TEST , if you can;t pin I would say 4-AD and/or Stano with Dermacrine (Transdermal DHEA)

[OnionKnight]

dermacrine is very around anymore. if that makes sense

it was re released last week to several online retailors and just made its re apearance at the planet yesterday. $40 pretty much everywhere, which is pretty good

[Gym4Life]

dermacrine is very around anymore. if that makes sense

it was re released last week to several online retailors and just made its re apearance at the planet yesterday. $40 pretty much everywhere, which is pretty good

Wow is it the same formula I see it on nutraplanet thanks bud

[merderah]

In reality the only real test base is TEST

there is only one.

but yeah, 4-AD is good enough for people who can't get actual test or who are scared of needles... will cost more than getting test tho.

[silvercap]

There is none. Get real testosterone and pin it. If you don't have any sources, you haven't been researching enough to juice any way.

[Celorza]

There is none. Get real testosterone and pin it. If you don't have any sources, you haven't been researching enough to juice any way.

That's a statement fail, there are PHs that do convert to test. Do your reading brother.

[DannyT914]

4 ad bro

[jiggero]

BPS just came out with dermacrine

[SPS]

I am currently using 5 alpha test and it is doing a great job of keeping my libido up and lethargy down.

[harbonah]

Well I would say there is no true replacement for a test base assuming you have a prescription....but that being said as stated there are many products on the market that are used with varying degree's of success to combat sides from other hormones....Stanodrol, 11oxo, 11kt spray, 4dhea products or DHEA products like Dermacrine.

[JRam]

Is 4-AD strong enough to require the use of an AI on cycle or is that unnecessary?

[DannyT914]

I am currently using 5 alpha test and it is doing a great job of keeping my libido up and lethargy down.

That's not testosterone the target hormone is Epiandrosterone

[DannyT914]

Is 4-AD strong enough to require the use of an AI on cycle or is that unnecessary?

Still test treat it like test but an OTC is good enough for a moderate dose

[SPS]

That's not testosterone the target hormone is Epiandrosterone

Lol yeah bro I know what it is but you clearly need some education on the subject. It is epiandrosterone and the target hormone is dht. Not sure if you are aware but test is also a prohormone to dht. When your natty test is in the dumps you experience lethargy, low libidio, and generally feeling sh!tty or depressed. Running a dht product can reverse all of those things, it is everything you was out of that "test" base.

[Domenic]

Dermacrine is around, bud, but I know a lot of people also like MENT or Trestobol for lethargy.

[Celorza]

Lol yeah bro I know what it is but you clearly need some education on the subject. It is epiandrosterone and the target hormone is dht. Not sure if you are aware but test is also a prohormone to dht. When your natty test is in the dumps you experience lethargy, low libidio, and generally feeling sh!tty or depressed. Running a dht product can reverse all of those things, it is everything you was out of that "test" base.

The advantage to this is that Test has to go through the aromatization process to generate both estrogen AND dht...with this you only get DHT and thus it does not aromatize and cause unwanted bloating, and DHT itself is an aromataze inhibitor per say.

[Young Gotti]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

but one of these is def nice to have during an oral only cycle

[Celorza]

So like we all said here...4-AD , good source is Advanced Muscle Science 4-AD thanks.

[OnionKnight]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

[Gym4Life]

i always recommend 4ad like BULK UP and RS-Transaderm.....dermacrine would be the last resort

but one of these is def nice to have during an oral only cycle

Why do you prefer them two over dermacrine mate ?

Do they have more 4ad in them ?

[Gym4Life]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

Are these things the same then ? Does dermacrine have a good dose of 4ad in then I'm confused by the label on dermacrine lol

[Celorza]

Why do you prefer them two over dermacrine mate ?

Do they have more 4ad in them ?

None of them are 4-AD they are DHEA. He has an old post in another forum pimping it with great detail and love, the thing is...RS Transderm is not around anymore AFAIK and he might have loved it or repped for it, but for now Dermacrine is the best topical DHEA and AMS 4-AD is the most trust worthy source of good conversion 4-AD.

[Gym4Life]

So like we all said here...4-AD , good source is Advanced Muscle Science 4-AD thanks.

Thanks mate appreciate all the help from everyone I will use 4ad as a base for my ph cycle ...

And for the guy who said I should pin test I have used real test before but I don't like the pip from injections and you still risk bunk gear etc i prefer phs over ugl labs

For instance I prefer Epi to anavar and winstrol

And I prefer superdrol over dbol or anadrol ....

I don't wanna pin anymore which is why I'm asking for a good base alternative back in the day I found dermacrine from primordial to really work in this department and I liked their andromass aswell.

[Celorza]

Thanks mate appreciate all the help from everyone I will use 4ad as a base for my ph cycle ...

And for the guy who said I should pin test I have used real test before but I don't like the pip from injections and you still risk bunk gear etc i prefer phs over ugl labs

For instance I prefer Epi to anavar and winstrol

And I prefer superdrol over dbol or anadrol ....

I don't wanna pin anymore which is why I'm asking for a good base alternative back in the day I found dermacrine from primordial to really work in this department and I liked their andromass aswell.

Yeah Primordial Performance was good stuff back when it was around. I too am a Epi fan, and Superdrol...Methylated Masteron haha , IMO it's as potent as dbol but I wouldn't know about Anadrol, never played with them anyway.

[Young Gotti]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

well it was the old dermacrine and it was mainly the carrier....dermacrine was mess and a big glob, also didn't absord very well..it was ok for lethargy but not much more....transderm was a smaller amount of lotion and absorbed better, it was better for lethargy but also for mood and seemed to enhance the benefits of the cycle

[DannyT914]

The advantage to this is that Test has to go through the aromatization process to generate both estrogen AND dht...with this you only get DHT and thus it does not aromatize and cause unwanted bloating, and DHT itself is an aromataze inhibitor per say.

Exactly

[SPS]

what would be the difference between dermacrine and transaderm? if you say company, ill internet slap you silly

How about PRICE? honestly considering that dermacrine looks more appealing to me

[OnionKnight]

well it was the old dermacrine and it was mainly the carrier....dermacrine was mess and a big glob, also didn't absord very well..it was ok for lethargy but not much more....transderm was a smaller amount of lotion and absorbed better, it was better for lethargy but also for mood and seemed to enhance the benefits of the cycle

ok thats a good argument lol. idk about it now, but it did used to lather all over like rubbing sperm on your body or somethin

[SPS]

rubbing sperm on your body

Lol, do not want.