my liver is feeling it... (i think)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post
    Haha yeah that is from the girl next door, I love using that quote, anyways. Your liver can regenerate and repair some of that damage on its own I don't really know at what point those elevated levels actually cause damage. I know at a certain dose tudca is supposed to be able to repair damage but I don't know it off the top of my head. Just run the tudca, if you start showing symptoms of your liver being stressed get it tested again.
    I think you need twice the dose of TUDCA versus UDCA. I'm going to say at least 500 mg of TUDCA.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by navy View Post
    and i saw lockout label and cap the bottles while i was there they put the cotton inside and put the label around it... so stop being so ****ing ignorant
    What? This makes no sense as Lockout doesn't even have a line of anabolics. Stanozane is a product of IronFlex Supplements, which I doubt is a house brand of Lockout as it's available through several other retailers. So that's a matter of either bull**** or you being an idiot. As for your liver, quit the product and see a doctor if you're that worried, and stay away from hormonal products in the future.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post

    I think you need twice the dose of TUDCA versus UDCA. I'm going to say at least 500 mg of TUDCA.
    He should be fine if he follows label dosing, which I think is usually 500 mg per day.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post
    Haha yeah that is from the girl next door, I love using that quote, anyways. Your liver can regenerate and repair some of that damage on its own I don't really know at what point those elevated levels actually cause damage. I know at a certain dose tudca is supposed to be able to repair damage but I don't know it off the top of my head. Just run the tudca, if you start showing symptoms of your liver being stressed get it tested again.
    think of it like this. there was a post here a long time ago to help people define ast/alt levels. 10-40 is normal. 50+ is watch your ****, youre in danger. 4-5x normal is usualy associated with fatty or enflamed liver in alcoholics. thats about 2 steps away from cirrhosis



    Quote Originally Posted by chris223 View Post

    What? This makes no sense as Lockout doesn't even have a line of anabolics. Stanozane is a product of IronFlex Supplements, which I doubt is a house brand of Lockout as it's available through several other retailers. So that's a matter of either bull**** or you being an idiot. As for your liver, quit the product and see a doctor if you're that worried, and stay away from hormonal products in the future.
    hes just an idiot

  5. Quote Originally Posted by chris223 View Post
    What? This makes no sense as Lockout doesn't even have a line of anabolics. Stanozane is a product of IronFlex Supplements, which I doubt is a house brand of Lockout as it's available through several other retailers. So that's a matter of either bull**** or you being an idiot. As for your liver, quit the product and see a doctor if you're that worried, and stay away from hormonal products in the future.
    Actually they do LGI.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post

    Actually they do LGI.
    So are you saying that LGI is Lockout's brand label name? Or just a brand they carry?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    So are you saying that LGI is Lockout's brand label name? Or just a brand they carry?
    LGI is lockout private label.

  8. Drinking 3-4 times a week? Maybe if you had preloaded some liver/cycle support supps for 2-3 weeks instead of preloading Budweiser, youd be better off now..... Present course of action-just be honest with yourself, if you think youre damaging your body, abort the cycle and pct. Health>gains.. Hard to bulk when youre ****ing dead or on dialysis.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Vitus View Post
    Drinking 3-4 times a week? Maybe if you had preloaded some liver/cycle support supps for 2-3 weeks instead of preloading Budweiser, youd be better off now..... Present course of action-just be honest with yourself, if you think youre damaging your body, abort the cycle and pct. Health>gains.. Hard to bulk when youre ****ing dead or on dialysis.
    Is this directed to me? I did not drink a single drop of alcohol and I preloaded support for 2 weeks....

  10. Quote Originally Posted by chico1 View Post
    Is this directed to me? I did not drink a single drop of alcohol and I preloaded support for 2 weeks....
    No the OP stated he had done this in his first thread about liver pains a few weeks ago.

    Now I know why you guys are so stern about doing research about cycles. It's kinda frustrating when people like this come through, don't take any advice, and are only willing to listen to what they want to hear.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post

    LGI is lockout private label.
    Negative. Lockout has exclusive selling rights over LGI. Which is why you only see it sold at lockout, and a handful of other places both stateside and overseas. Guessing Greg made a deal with lgi back when Purus Labs got out of the Ph/DS game because Lgi was supposedly a sister company to Purus Labs. It's a confusing trial, with no clear answer. But lockout does not manufacturer LGI.

  12. ^^^

    thats what i thought. i was pretty sure lgi is a ourus labs sister company. i read it a few times at phf and they both rock the dark colors lol

  13. Not sure if this has been asked but are you sure it was liver pains? Elevated enzymes aside it could have just been pumps that you were experiencing.
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  14. Alt and als are 0-40. Ap is 0-115. Ggf is 3-60. Correct if I'm wrong. If it's really hurting you don't need us all to say stop. Enzymes get elevated what do you expect? Continue or stop. Either way get tests.
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  15. Not to hijack but what are everyone's opinions on TUDCA being a must for methylated cycles?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by navy View Post
    Well to start off i was stacking epistane and stanozane... both 90 capsule bottles... 3 weeks in my stanozane runs out... which means i got less then 60 capsules of stano... where the HELL DID THE REST GO!!!!!???

    also... the liver pain is getting more intense and im starting week 4.... i uped the dosage of cycle assist from 4-4 to 5-5.... and the liver hurts when i do a lot of movements around that area... anything i can do to reduce the pain? i have 3 weeks left and i dont want to hop off just yet... :/

    and lockout will give me another bottle of stano right? because i am SOOOOO MAD didnt even have enough for 3 weeks lol... just what does this say about lockout? kinda mad tbh but wont care if they give me 1 more bottle. if they do ill up it from 3 to 4 dosage.
    Your liver wouldn't be showing these signs yet. Might want to go to the doctor....seems more like kidney or possibly gallbladder. Cholesterol changes by steroids can create some nasty internal side effects. Gallstones is one of them. Stop being stubborn and go to the doctor.tell him everything and let him try to fix you.

    If it is your gallbladder it may cost you your life if you don't. They hear **** like this all the time. Don't be afraid to tell him about a legal product (prohormones) and the issues you think have occurred after your cycle.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post
    Negative. Lockout has exclusive selling rights over LGI. Which is why you only see it sold at lockout, and a handful of other places both stateside and overseas. Guessing Greg made a deal with lgi back when Purus Labs got out of the Ph/DS game because Lgi was supposedly a sister company to Purus Labs. It's a confusing trial, with no clear answer. But lockout does not manufacturer LGI.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_label

    Do people even read.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    And what exactly was this pointless article supposed to prove? Just curious. Most people know what private labeling is in the manufacturing world.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post

    And what exactly was this pointless article supposed to prove? Just curious. Most people know what private labeling is in the manufacturing world.
    Wikipedia... lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    Wikipedia... lol
    Agreed ...its telling me this Guy on my 1$ bills was a president. Pfttttttt nahhhhhhh
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post

    LGI is lockout private label.
    I pulled my Info from the actual owner of lockout.... Yet this guy ^ thinks a wiki article on a common practice everyone knows and sees whenever they go grocery shopping, proves me wrong. then attempts to be a smart ass.... Kids...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post
    then attempts to be a smart ass.... Kids...
    18 year old trapped in this body

  23. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post
    And what exactly was this pointless article supposed to prove? Just curious. Most people know what private labeling is in the manufacturing world.
    I stated LGI is Lockout's private label.

    You stated negative.

    I clarified what a private label is because your comment made it apparent that you didn't know.

    Lockout is the only place to market LGI products, everywhere else that sells them has purchased them from lockout.

    I never stated Lockout manufactured LGI products, I just states that LGI was a lockout private label which it is, hence forth I was not incorrect in my statement.

    Point in case as I have stated in the past you're still a retard.

  24. A private label would be if lockout made the steroids and then allowed LGI to sell them as there own. You're a ****ing fat ass who posts on this forum, attempting to have knowledge/ prove people wrong, while gaining most of your info straight from google- then posting it here as your own. Like I stated, lockout has exclusive selling rights for lgi. And others sell it that are allowed to. Not just lockout. Exclusive selling rights (what i stated) is correct. Private label.... incorrect. LGI has nothing to do with the manufacturing process nor is the only company allowed to sell it. With nothing to do with the manufacturing of the product and its not the only company who sells lgi , in turn it can not be considered a private label Just stop while your behind kid. Spend more time in the gym, not on a forum making yourself look stupid. Im done with this conversation.

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