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    Question Oral Tren


    Does Oral Tren qualify as a PH?

    I would like to try it by itself on a 3 week cycle. Thinking of taking two 250mcg/tabs (GP brand) daily with a liver support supp. Or should I take 3 250mcg tabs daily? I'm 6'1", 220lbs. 20% BF.

    Do I contiune to take my 1mg finasteride daily while taking oral tren or should I stop? What about PCT? Is a Nolva 40/20/20/20 too much/too long for such a short cycle?

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    Tren at 3 weeks = no go. Pointless. You will just start seeing small results by the time cycle is over. Oral tren is ran for a period of 6 weeks for best results.
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    I just discovered I have a lot more research to do. Different sites say vastly different things about tren. I guess I need to run it with test, a SERM and an AI. If anyone has a link to a simple tren/test cycle that would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    I just discovered I have a lot more research to do. Different sites say vastly different things about tren. I guess I need to run it with test, a SERM and an AI. If anyone has a link to a simple tren/test cycle that would be great.
    You're getting mixed up. There is the OTC "legal" oral tren. And tren ace, the injectable steroid. You can easily run oral tren for a 5-6 week cycle at around 75mg ED without a test best. AI is meant to control estrogen and prevent any prolactin manipulation due to tren being a progestin. Look into Trenabol by blackstone labs. Solid product. Research, and come back with a sample cycle and you will get more input when it appears you are ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post
    You're getting mixed up. There is the OTC "legal" oral tren. And tren ace, the injectable steroid. You can easily run oral tren for a 5-6 week cycle at around 75mg ED without a test best. AI is meant to control estrogen and prevent any prolactin manipulation due to tren being a progestin. Look into Trenabol by blackstone labs. Solid product. Research, and come back with a sample cycle and you will get more input when it appears you are ready
    Right on. Thanks brother.
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    just a heads up, dont use nolva with tren or any other progestin. nolva causes prgoesterone receptors to have a strong expression which could cause prolactin gyno with a progestin steroid
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    Trenabol by Blackstone Labs is "estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione". The gear I was looking at is "methyltrienolone" by ****. Is Trenabol what they call a "clone"? Are these two substances basically the same? I assumed the **** tren was not OTC and was illegal.
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    reive the sources before you get banned dude. ill look right now
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    Remove the sources he meant haha and Trenabol converts to trenbolone once ingested . Like wise, trenavar is also a similar product.
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    yea heres your difference. tvar converts to trenbolone. the stuff you were looking at is trenbolone with a 17a-methyl group attached for oral bioavailability
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    I thought a "source" was a distributor that sold the product? I just referred to the pharm co. that makes it. Knowing the name of the pharm co. or even having their website does not mean you can get it, I presumed. So I'm not allowed to mention the names of the pharm companies? I didn't mean to break the rules. Thanks.
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    Methyl trenbolone is one of the most powerful, and dangerous oral steroids ever created.

    Liver damage from this may become irreparable.

    Jumpstart for a injectable cycle by advanced users only.

    You don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on this.
    If there was ever a steroid for pulsing, this is it.lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    I thought a "source" was a distributor that sold the product? I just referred to the pharm co. that makes it. Knowing the name of the pharm. co. or even having their website does not mean you can get it, I presumed. So I'm not allowed to mention the names of the pharm companies? I thought everyone knew about "GP". I didn't mean to break the rules. Thanks.
    the mods will get you for the pharm name too because it could lead to distributors.

    and like jbryand said, this **** is the most powerful steroid ever created. PA even wrote a piece on methyl tren. i wouldnt ever touch this stuff. if you have acces to it, then you also have acces to tren ace, so just pin that in a test cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post

    You're getting mixed up. There is the OTC "legal" oral tren. And tren ace, the injectable steroid. You can easily run oral tren for a 5-6 week cycle at around 75mg ED without a test best. AI is meant to control estrogen and prevent any prolactin manipulation due to tren being a progestin. Look into Trenabol by blackstone labs. Solid product. Research, and come back with a sample cycle and you will get more input when it appears you are ready
    This dude doesn't no the tren your speaking of. Your talking about methyl tren. I'd run it at 750mcg for 3-4 weeks. It's very harsh. And will get insane strength from it. I'd run 6 weeks of test prop with it.

    Methyl tren. 500-750mcg. Weeks 1-3ish
    Test prop 100mg eod week 1-6

    Great short cycle, you'll get good results. Take a good liver care product and a strong pct
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    This dude doesn't no the tren your speaking of. Your talking about methyl tren. I'd run it at 750mcg for 3-4 weeks. It's very harsh. And will get insane strength from it. I'd run 6 weeks of test prop with it.

    Methyl tren. 500-750mcg. Weeks 1-3ish
    Test prop 100mg eod week 1-6

    Great short cycle, you'll get good results. Take a good liver care product and a strong pct
    Thank you.

    Is the reason for stacking test prop with it to increase gains, or is it to prevent shut down? How ill-advised would it be run methyl tren alone by itself?
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    From the questions you are asking I can assure you that ur not ready for methyl tren. There are others things out there that would be better suited for a beginner . The test is important and will help with maintaining the gains. U can't prevent shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    just a heads up, dont use nolva with tren or any other progestin. nolva causes prgoesterone receptors to have a strong expression which could cause prolactin gyno with a progestin steroid
    I've actually read research studies and anecdotal evidence indicating this is not true. What I've read indicates that in mammary tissue nolva actually downregulates PgR. It only upregulates PgR in the uterus. Just google "nolva effects on prolactin" etc. Will be using nolva for my pct on my sd/tren/stano cycle...ill let you know how it goes. but I did get some torem just in case lol.
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    tren isn't a progestin. dont know why any man would be using progestins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthWalker View Post

    I've actually read research studies and anecdotal evidence indicating this is not true. What I've read indicates that in mammary tissue nolva actually downregulates PgR. It only upregulates PgR in the uterus. Just google "nolva effects on prolactin" etc. Will be using nolva for my pct on my sd/tren/stano cycle...ill let you know how it goes. but I did get some torem just in case lol.
    im not discrediting you in any way. but if you can, post the study for that

    the issue here is a lot of the stuff we use isnt researched for our purposes. so we have to due with what we're delt. an example is the milk thistle AR downregulation theory. its only been proven to downregulate the AR in prostate of cancer patients. doesnt directly apply to us, but now we either avoid milk thistle or space it away from the steroid dose because of the possbility it will take effect in the AR. same idea here with nolva and the PgR

    ill look into it right now
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    I dont worry about what serm I use after using x compound. I just worry if my serm is legit.
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    Based on your questions OP you need to start with something like 11oxo just.to learn how to cycle or you might have real problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I dont worry about what serm I use after using x compound. I just worry if my serm is legit.
    real talk
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    I wasn't even aware of 11oxo. Thank you. I chose epistane for my first cycle. I'm in my 4th week right now and plan on doing 2 more weeks. It's going well.

    I've learned that I should be stacking methly tren with test prop. I read from the same source that all cycles should be test based. What this means about me taking epi by itself I don't know.

    I'll learn more before I ask questions next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    I wasn't even aware of 11oxo. Thank you. I chose epistane for my first cycle. I'm in my 4th week right now and plan on doing 2 more weeks. It's going well.

    I've learned that I should be stacking methly tren with test prop. I read from the same source that all cycles should be test based. What this means about me taking epi by itself I don't know.

    I'll learn more before I ask questions next time.
    Are you talking about methyl tren because you don't want to pin tren? What's the rationale if not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by srblan View Post
    Are you talking about methyl tren because you don't want to pin tren? What's the rationale if not?
    Yes, that was my reason. I thought I could do a methyl tren only cycle and avoid the pin. I'm not afraid of pinning, I just have a lot of learning to do if I'm going to do that. + I was amazed at how cheap I could get methyl tren for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    Yes, that was my reason. I thought I could do a methyl tren only cycle and avoid the pin. I'm not afraid of pinning, I just have a lot of learning to do if I'm going to do that. + I was amazed at how cheap I could get methyl tren for.
    Do the learning, it's much better on your liver. As indicated, it's one of the most toxic steroids there is. You're way better off learning how to pin or sticking with a much milder oral if you decide you must go that route. If you even think about that drug, add in the price of UDCA or TUDCA + NAC + Some other cycle supports. It's nasty stuff, steer clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    im not discrediting you in any way. but if you can, post the study for that

    the issue here is a lot of the stuff we use isnt researched for our purposes. so we have to due with what we're delt. an example is the milk thistle AR downregulation theory. its only been proven to downregulate the AR in prostate of cancer patients. doesnt directly apply to us, but now we either avoid milk thistle or space it away from the steroid dose because of the possbility it will take effect in the AR. same idea here with nolva and the PgR

    ill look into it right now
    http://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...ats-truth.html - (obviously not a study lol) but first post gets at the downregulation of PgR

    http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...70/3/421.short - indicates tamoxifen inhibits prolactin secretion
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Methyl trenbolone is one of the most powerful, and dangerous oral steroids ever created.

    Liver damage from this may become irreparable.

    Jumpstart for a injectable cycle by advanced users only.

    You don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on this.
    If there was ever a steroid for pulsing, this is it.lol
    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post

    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same
    No, it isn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post
    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same
    Not the same and I would not run that at less then 100-120 mg a day. At 150 it is working well for me. You will want to run something like 4ad if you want to retain libido.
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    Oh and you will want to research pramipexole if you run this dose..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No, it isn't
    okay good, any thoughts on the estra-4,, people are telling me ill have limp dick if i dont stack it but i cant see that happening at a low does
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Not the same and I would not run that at less then 100-120 mg a day. At 150 it is working well for me. You will want to run something like 4ad if you want to retain libido.
    my label is 15mg two times a day i know thats low but would I have a shut down with that low a dose
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    product is xcel sports nutrition tren-x
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post
    my label is 15mg two times a day i know thats low but would I have a shut down with that low a dose
    If you want to gain muscle expect suppresion, and the limp dick is why you need 4ad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    If you want to gain muscle expect suppresion, and the limp dick is why you need 4ad.
    I understand , do u think sch a low does of 30 mg a day will cause limp ? I'm not looking for muscle I'm looking to maintain mYbe gain 2-3 and shred down hard on a clean diet an cardio ... I'm running a low low dose
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    estra-4 and 6oxo combo save my libido ?
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    want to save your libido? run testosterone.

    I didn't think it could be so important. but even while using trenadione @ 120mg e/d, my libido and sex has been better than ever.

    and the tren is causing sides, I'm stopping due to swelling in my right nipple, and started letro yesterday. I have 1 maybe 2 more test e injections, so hoping the mast/epi/letro will take care of it.
    trying to save my inhibit p for pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    want to save your libido? run testosterone.

    I didn't think it could be so important. but even while using trenadione @ 120mg e/d, my libido and sex has been better than ever.

    and the tren is causing sides, I'm stopping due to swelling in my right nipple, and started letro yesterday. I have 1 maybe 2 more test e injections, so hoping the mast/epi/letro will take care of it.
    trying to save my inhibit p for pct.
    I just think that the tren I'm runnin doesn't compare to the injected tren and I'm runnin so low ... Test base is a good idea but for first cycle I wanna stick to one compound and keep the cycle short . Second time around ill def run a test base
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