Oral Tren

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 1976pianoman View Post
    Yes, that was my reason. I thought I could do a methyl tren only cycle and avoid the pin. I'm not afraid of pinning, I just have a lot of learning to do if I'm going to do that. + I was amazed at how cheap I could get methyl tren for.
    Do the learning, it's much better on your liver. As indicated, it's one of the most toxic steroids there is. You're way better off learning how to pin or sticking with a much milder oral if you decide you must go that route. If you even think about that drug, add in the price of UDCA or TUDCA + NAC + Some other cycle supports. It's nasty stuff, steer clear.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by OnionKnight View Post
    im not discrediting you in any way. but if you can, post the study for that

    the issue here is a lot of the stuff we use isnt researched for our purposes. so we have to due with what we're delt. an example is the milk thistle AR downregulation theory. its only been proven to downregulate the AR in prostate of cancer patients. doesnt directly apply to us, but now we either avoid milk thistle or space it away from the steroid dose because of the possbility it will take effect in the AR. same idea here with nolva and the PgR

    ill look into it right now
    http://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...ats-truth.html - (obviously not a study lol) but first post gets at the downregulation of PgR

    http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...70/3/421.short - indicates tamoxifen inhibits prolactin secretion
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Methyl trenbolone is one of the most powerful, and dangerous oral steroids ever created.

    Liver damage from this may become irreparable.

    Jumpstart for a injectable cycle by advanced users only.

    You don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on this.
    If there was ever a steroid for pulsing, this is it.lol
    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same

  4. Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post

    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same
    No, it isn't

  5. Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post
    Methyl tren is not the same is this is it ? estra-4 9 11-triene-3 17-dione this is the ph ...trenavar or 'tren' but i wanna make sure its not the same
    Not the same and I would not run that at less then 100-120 mg a day. At 150 it is working well for me. You will want to run something like 4ad if you want to retain libido.
    ForeRunner Labs
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html
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  6. Oh and you will want to research pramipexole if you run this dose..
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No, it isn't
    okay good, any thoughts on the estra-4,, people are telling me ill have limp dick if i dont stack it but i cant see that happening at a low does

  8. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Not the same and I would not run that at less then 100-120 mg a day. At 150 it is working well for me. You will want to run something like 4ad if you want to retain libido.
    my label is 15mg two times a day i know thats low but would I have a shut down with that low a dose

  9. product is **** sports nutrition tren-x

  10. Quote Originally Posted by flamini View Post
    my label is 15mg two times a day i know thats low but would I have a shut down with that low a dose
    If you want to gain muscle expect suppresion, and the limp dick is why you need 4ad.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    If you want to gain muscle expect suppresion, and the limp dick is why you need 4ad.
    I understand , do u think sch a low does of 30 mg a day will cause limp ? I'm not looking for muscle I'm looking to maintain mYbe gain 2-3 and shred down hard on a clean diet an cardio ... I'm running a low low dose

  12. estra-4 and 6oxo combo save my libido ?

  13. want to save your libido? run testosterone.

    I didn't think it could be so important. but even while using trenadione @ 120mg e/d, my libido and sex has been better than ever.

    and the tren is causing sides, I'm stopping due to swelling in my right nipple, and started letro yesterday. I have 1 maybe 2 more test e injections, so hoping the mast/epi/letro will take care of it.
    trying to save my inhibit p for pct.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    want to save your libido? run testosterone.

    I didn't think it could be so important. but even while using trenadione @ 120mg e/d, my libido and sex has been better than ever.

    and the tren is causing sides, I'm stopping due to swelling in my right nipple, and started letro yesterday. I have 1 maybe 2 more test e injections, so hoping the mast/epi/letro will take care of it.
    trying to save my inhibit p for pct.
    I just think that the tren I'm runnin doesn't compare to the injected tren and I'm runnin so low ... Test base is a good idea but for first cycle I wanna stick to one compound and keep the cycle short . Second time around ill def run a test base

  15. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    as everybody has said, you are correct. its definitely not the same as injected tren. and in my honest opinion 30mg of trenavar is just a waist of money.
    Okay cool, and really ? I'm not looking for huge gains just a few pounds cuz it's my first cycle and I'm worries about sides. Idc If I get sides it's just I wanna see how my body responds so I know what I can handle

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post

    i hear you. you'll probably end up increasing the dose before you're done though. most think 90mg and up is the effective dose. harbonah said he likes 150. so the general consensus is that it needs to be dosed fairly high. but, try it and see. maybe you wont need as much..
    Okay thanks ! Well see how it goes

  17. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    i hear you. you'll probably end up increasing the dose before you're done though. most think 90mg and up is the effective dose. harbonah said he likes 150. so the general consensus is that it needs to be dosed fairly high. but, try it and see. maybe you wont need as much..
    Yes, to have results anywhere near real Tren ace you need to push the dose up over 120m. 150mg is where I landed at 225. Lower the body weight the lower that dose might be to some extent but I would still assume it to be much much higher then 30mg try 90 it might fit for someone your size better? And as jbryand said Test the only other option is a Test ph like 4ad. Inhibit-p might be worth looking into also for you but you would have to ask jbryand more about that one.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    Yes, to have results anywhere near real Tren ace you need to push the dose up over 120m. 150mg is where I landed at 225. Lower the body weight the lower that dose might be to some extent but I would still assume it to be much much higher then 30mg try 90 it might fit for someone your size better? And as jbryand said Test the only other option is a Test ph like 4ad. Inhibit-p might be worth looking into also for you but you would have to ask jbryand more about that one.
    Yeah I'm 145 pounds an never ran anything , I'm takig about 3200 cals , and I'm almost 23 and have never run a ph before, from my own research I've found that your body is most responsive and sensitive the first time u take a ph so I'm thinking being as light as I am that lower dose will hopefully have some effect , idk if I'm comfortable stacking yet , I rather deal with the libido then stack 4ad ... 3-5 weeks ill live without a high sexual desire haha. and I've looked into inhibit-p I like the looks of it, I'm using 6oxo directly after cycle with my post as an extra boost to help keep what I gain

  19. I've been running 120mg for 4 weeks.

    When I went to 150mg, that was when I was like, whoa.
    But that also started the sensitivity in my right nipp which I have to deal with now.

    Trenadione/fura would be the.most effective combo I think, but also most expensive.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I've been running 120mg for 4 weeks.

    When I went to 150mg, that was when I was like, whoa.
    But that also started the sensitivity in my right nipp which I have to deal with now.

    Trenadione/fura would be the.most effective combo I think, but also most expensive.
    Yeah I'm enjoying 150! What were you running for an AI?
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    The Future of Human Performance
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html

  21. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    Yeah I'm enjoying 150! What were you running for an AI?
    Nothing. Now letro.

  22. how is methoxy tst as far as oral tren goes? i have two bottles i'm gonna run with some epi at some point. goal will be either cut or recomp.

  23. i'm worried about jbry's titties

  24. Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeegood View Post
    i'm worried about jbry's titties
    me too. selling the remaining celtitren/epi on ebay, as it's just gotten worse, even with just epi.

    ordered another bottle of letro to continue running for a while. fcuking trenadione/epistane. knew I should of stuck with winstrol.
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