College Football player looking to get started on first cycle...
12-09-2004 10:35 PM
College Football player looking to get started on first cycle...
I am 6'1" 210 and just sat out during my redshirt freshmen year. I know the consequences of taking PH's especially if I am caught but the coaches are very passive in there testing and I am sure there are ways for you to pass the test even if on PH's or steriods and the starting fullback on the team said there was a ratio of testosterone that won't be further tested I'll inquire more about this later. My lifts are a 285 Bench, 455 Squat and a 255 Clean. Compared to others I look like a bitch in the weightroom and I am looking to change this by going on 2 Ph Cycles. I want to go on 4 week on and 4 week off 2 times in a row. These are my goals and they all go by priority
2nd-lose body fat,
3rd-gain som LBM.
I am relatively well read in the topic of PH's but I have never tried something which I want to try.
1st 4 weeks: Potassium, Hawthorn Berry, CQ-10, Milk Thistle, NAC, M-DHT (pre-workout only @ 25-50mg), 1-AD @ 300 mg
PCT 4 weeks: Nolva, Clenbuterol, Potassium, CEE, E/C stack, Hawthorn Berry, CQ-10, Milk Thistle, NAC
2nd 4 weeks: Potassium, Hawthorn Berry, CQ-10, Milk Thistle, NAC, M-DHT (pre-workout only @ 25-50mg), 1-AD @ 300 mg
PCT 4 weeks: Nolva, Clenbuterol, Potassium, Hawthorn Berry, CEE, E/C stack CQ-10, Milk Thistle, NAC
I know most of my dosages but Clenbuterol is a little shaky what do you guys recommend me take as a dosage for Clen (liquid form)
What do you guys think I am open for any opinions any changing?
12-10-2004 03:31 AM
why 1-ad? you might want to use 1 test.
I think a 1test 4 ad with the oral should go well.
12-10-2004 03:40 AM
If he does use 1-Test, go either transdermal or buy Cyp and homebrew.
I'd go with a 1-Test/4AD transdermal cycle. It'll be effective and inexpensive. When are you doing this? You know you only have 40 days until these are just as illegal as the rest of the steroids, right? If it's after that 40 days, I'd just get ahold of some gear instead. 1-Test cyp is great, but nobody's making it anymore and most people don't like to homebrew. NO point in settling for less if you have the option between two equally illegal substances.
12-10-2004 06:26 AM
I don't know how to homebrew. So I am thinking of buying 6 S1+ bottles and doing my cycle like that what do you thing or buying 12g 1-T Topical from 1fast400 and then buy some 4Derm but how could I dosage it.
Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
How should I dose 1-Test?
What is the dosage for 1-test cyp?
How do i homebrew with 1-test cyp?
Do i need to use 4-AD with 1-test cyp? If so how should they be dosed?
Last edited by kburna; 12-10-2004 at 06:47 AM.
12-10-2004 07:47 AM
Personally I liked my S1+ cycle. I even dosed it on the low side at first (5 sprays, 2x a day) then moved up to 6. Got good gains and workouts were great.
If you're looking for easy, some kind of premixed 1-t/4ad trans will work well.
12-10-2004 09:11 AM
real gear? he's 18, I'm surprised you guys are even giving him this info
kburna it looks like you need to research quite a bit more, I haven't researched 1T cyp, but I'm pretty sure at 18, and it being your first cycle, 1-test cyp would be pretty harsh, wouldn't it guys? wouldn't starting with 1ad or just 1T be best, and see how your body reacts, then progress if need be
I'm in the same situation, redshirted this year, I'm actually probably transferring from this D2 school to a 1AA school, so I'm considering getting on something, really not sure yet, I've thought about 4derm on its own, the regular 1ad/4derm, as well as 1T/4derm, I really wanted to to norderm/4derm but I heard the metabolites from the nordiol could stick around in your system for a while which isn't good for our situation w/ drug tests and all
I've just recently looked into a 1T/4derm cycle, but with this is more than 6OXO needed? if so can somebody pm me a site where I can get some nolva?
thanks in advance, and good luck kburna, its such a hard decision, and kinda sucks that sports have come to this, where college players feel the need to go to these measures, but I guess it's just the nature of sports, always progressing
12-10-2004 09:54 AM
How did you like it? I ordered 4 bottles of s1+ as well as a few other dermals (old school AL dermals). What were your beginning/ending stats?
Originally Posted by -2z-
12-10-2004 10:39 AM
I wouldn't waste your time buying supplemental potassium, since it will be only 99mg per cap at the maximum. Just eat some bananas.
Edit: And as far as giving advice to someone who is 18. I think it is better to give them good advice, because no matter how much you tell most guys the same age that they should not use, they are going to anyway. So might as well give him good advice. But it still is not a good idea. Just don't do anything stupid like get M1T.
12-10-2004 10:53 AM
Pityin' fools since '81
if your determined to use, 1ad is a great choice. the catch is you won't get much out of 300mg/day. if your only ever going to do 2 cycles, than you should up the dose to at least 600mg/day. consider running this for 4-6 weeks, and than take time off and repeat at around 800mg/day. i wouldn't spend cash on anything other than the 1ad (www.customnutritionwarehouse.com, $19/bottle), clen (take post cycle), nolvadex, and maybe some m5aa if you like it.
12-10-2004 11:13 AM
so you like 1ad over 1T? is it because of his age? or somethin to do with bioavailabilty? what do you think about dermabolics 1T dermal?
also, you don't suggest using 4ad with a 1T product at all? what's your reasoning?
sorry for the buttload of questions, I've just read otherwise on some things and just want to see what you have to say, thanks in advance
12-10-2004 11:51 AM
at 18 your test levels are the highest they will ever be, let nature run its course
by starting PH/ps/aas at that age you are potenially setting yourself up for a lifetime of hormone replacement therapy because your body is still try to reach homeostasis and the addition of exogenous hormones can permantly **** that up
not to much it will stunt your growth if you aren't done growing and many many guys are not when they are 18
wait until you are older for your own sake
12-10-2004 11:56 AM
I agree, no ph's for you, but I know your gonna do it anyway. I'll be sorry though in a couple of years.
12-10-2004 03:08 PM
Ok so If I don't take Ph's I need to get my diet in order, train right, and sleep well. What would be a legal supplement routine for someone my age. I am using On's Whey protein but I am going to buy a 10 lb tub of ALLthewheys protein, Then I would use something like MAN's Scorch, Lipo 6, or Clenbuterol for fat loss, I have a quality multivitamin, I'll get some fish oil, I'll get some CEE and just grow naturally. I am also looking for something to build some quality Mass maybe LG's Product X. What do you guys think?
(Lean Mass gain stack)
So far I have the idea of doing this 4 weeks: CEE, Allthewheys protein, LG's Product X Dermasize, Fish oil, multivitamin, E/C stack
(Fat loss stack)
After 4 weeks I would switch to another 4 week period with these supps: CEE, Allthewheys protein, LG's Product X Transfrom, Fish oil, multivitamin, Fat burner (Man's Scorch, Lipo 6, or Clenbuterol), E/C stack
I would switch between these back and forth until I got to where I want to be. What are the thoughts on this?
12-10-2004 03:23 PM
I didn't even see that....oops...
Originally Posted by glenihan
EDIT: Although I do agree he shouldn't use at 18, I disagree any permanent endocrinal damange will be done. Ephyseal plates will close for sure though on a good cycle.
12-10-2004 03:24 PM
can you post what your diet and training look like? the supps seem fine, but diet and training are far more important
and good choice on hold off of the PH's man i'm glad to see sensibility
12-10-2004 03:26 PM
You have the wrong mindframe. It's not about what supps do I need, and how many can I take. Just bust your ass, and get your training and diet down. I know the coaching staff has got you on some kind of diet, and training program. You will thank yourself in the future if you get that **** straight first, before getting into PH/PS, or AAS.
12-10-2004 03:28 PM
Great point! Every football coach I've ever met or observed knows exactly "jack ****" about training.
Originally Posted by ryansm
Like Glenihan said, your routine will be much more helpful info....
12-10-2004 04:01 PM
I would get a weight gainer instead of just whey by itself.
12-10-2004 04:32 PM
Currently I am on the Designer Athlete's program from t-nation.com
My diet looks like this:
Breakfast: 8-16 OZ of milk, wheat bread with peanut butter
Lunch: Tuna sandwich on wheat with 8-16 OZ of milk, small salad
Meal: 8-16 OZ of milk, wheat bread with peanut butter
Meal: ON's Whey Protein and a lot of brown rice and chicken
Last meal: 8-16 OZ of milk and wheat bread with cheese
Sometimes I add a banana and eat a few snacks here and there
12-10-2004 05:14 PM
if you want to grow throw A LOT more meat in there
eat eggs with your breakfast and oats are better than wheat bread
and add 1-2 more meals really work on getting those cals up and protein high
EAT EAT EAT
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