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    Re: 5 Weeks On And Have Dead D**k


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Which estrogen test am I looking for?
    If you get the female hormone panel it includes estridol which is the main form of estrogen to be concerned with. That panel also gives you a lot if other good info like liver and kidney function tests along with total test.

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    [QUOTE=PintSizPopeye;3845022]If you get the female hormone panel it includes estridol which is the main form of estrogen to be concerned with. That panel also gives you a lot if other good info like liver and kidney function tests along with total test.

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    Yesterday I went for another blood test from the doctor who didnt pull enough for my estrogen.
    According to the doctor I went to on Friday, I should have my results Wed. and so too from this doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Yesterday I went for another blood test from the doctor who didnt pull enough for my estrogen.
    According to the doctor I went to on Friday, I should have my results Wed. and so too from this doctor.
    Geeeez wft is up with these labs
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    Your problem is the high dose test with the deca - and deca has estrogen metabolites that won't show up on the blood panel.

    Should have simply dropped the test dose down to 100mg per week. Never run high test with nandrolone - the estrin metabolites from both get out of control.
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    Ironocally, I just got my results from my first doctor who didnt have enough blood to do the estrogen so i had to go back. My levels on Monday when I took the test was 12, which is slightly below normal low. Keep in mind I had quit Letro on Friday, so I was off Letro for 3 days, which means to me that on Friday when I went for the other test with the new doctor (which I still dont have results from) it must've been lower.
    I have actually been feeling better but not 100%, maybe 75%, but on Tuesday I began to feel a little off again and that's when I took the Fomeron again. I still feel a little off today, so I took some more today.
    I've been on Caber now for a week and my last pin was Thursday and I want to start PCT this Thursday.
    So my question is, what do I do now? Should I stop Fomeron, a suicidal inhibitor? What do I do for PCT now? I was planning on doing 100mg of Clomid, beginning Thursday for a week, then 50mg for the next 2 weeks, I have been HCG for the past 2 weeks. Last week did 5000IUs in one shot, this week I broke it out 500IUs per day and will pin my last one today. I will continue with Proviron at 50mg for the next 2 weeks or until I run out, will take 1 Forged PCT for the next 4 weeks and just got some Unleashed which I will be taking throughout.
    Let me know your thoughts and thank you for all your help guys!!! It's been a roller coaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    Your problem is the high dose test with the deca - and deca has estrogen metabolites that won't show up on the blood panel.

    Should have simply dropped the test dose down to 100mg per week. Never run high test with nandrolone - the estrin metabolites from both get out of control.
    100mg per week? my bottle is 250mg, that would be less than 1/2 a cc? And no Deca ever? I'm confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    100mg per week? my bottle is 250mg, that would be less than 1/2 a cc? And no Deca ever? I'm confused.
    If you do deca - keep test at TRT dose - so just enough test to combat "shut down" and keep a normal physiological range.

    So something like this per week:
    600-900mg Deca
    125mg Test

    Have caber on hand if needed -

    But I would recommend this if you are going to run nandrolone correctly - per week for 8 weeks:
    600 NPP
    400 mast p
    100-150 test p

    If you want to run test high - don't stack it with another estrin producing compound. Go with mast or low dose tren - or even EQ is better than deca. Don't run deca with high dose test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    If you do deca - keep test at TRT dose - so just enough test to combat "shut down" and keep a normal physiological range.

    So something like this per week:
    600-900mg Deca
    125mg Test

    Have caber on hand if needed -

    But I would recommend this if you are going to run nandrolone correctly - per week for 8 weeks:
    600 NPP
    400 mast p
    100-150 test p

    If you want to run test high - don't stack it with another estrin producing compound. Go with mast or low dose tren - or even EQ is better than deca. Don't run deca with high dose test.
    So you are suggesting running Deca at higher levels than Test? That goes against everything I ever heard. I always heard 2:1 Testeca. You're saying run 600-900mg of Deca and 100mg of Test Proponate? Also, what is NPP, what is Mast P? I do have EQ. What about an AI? And Caber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    I've been on Caber now for a week and my last pin was Thursday and I want to start PCT this Thursday.
    What exactly did you pin on Thursday?

    If cyp - give it two weeks to start PCT.
    If Deca 300mg - it will be active in your system for three weeks most likely.

    I would stop all the drugs - and cruise on pin 125mg test per week until everything clears your system and you have normal libido/wood - then PCT off of the small test dose. If you are traveling any time soon, that is obviously problematic though - sorry haven't read this whole thread just saw mention of a girl in SA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    What exactly did you pin on Thursday?

    If cyp - give it two weeks to start PCT.
    If Deca 300mg - it will be active in your system for three weeks most likely.

    I would stop all the drugs - and cruise on pin 125mg test per week until everything clears your system and you have normal libido/wood - then PCT off of the small test dose. If you are traveling any time soon, that is obviously problematic though - sorry haven't read this whole thread just saw mention of a girl in SA.
    I ran Test Ethonate at 500mg on Thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    So you are suggesting running Deca at higher levels than Test? That goes against everything I ever heard. I always heard 2:1 Testeca.
    I know - that whole 2:1 thing is some good old bro science at it's finest there. Throwing more test at deca doesn't help combat estrin metabolites, in fact it makes it worse. As you have found out first hand. (the estrogen metabolites of nadronlone and test cause deca-d*ck)

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    You're saying run 600-900mg of Deca and 100mg of Test Proponate? Also, what is NPP, what is Mast P? I do have EQ. What about an AI? And Caber?
    If you don't know what they are - never mind, please. Take my advice in the previous post and get off of everything - let your body do it's thing rather than playing chemist with your hormones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    I ran Test Ethonate at 500mg on Thursday.
    Need to wait two weeks to start PCT - if you choose to do that. If you don't have travel constraints then you should clear all the drugs and cruise on natural dose of test - 125mg - until your body comes back into homeostasis. Then PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    Need to wait two weeks to start PCT - if you choose to do that. If you don't have travel constraints then you should clear all the drugs and cruise on natural dose of test - 125mg - until your body comes back into homeostasis. Then PCT.
    Ok. I'm leaving for SA on Saturday morning. I guess I can pin today the 125mg of Test proponate as you suggested and then pin again on the following Friday when I come back? I would want to continue Caber for another 3 weeks though and what about an AI? I'm assuming my body is still converting Test to Estrogen, I dont want to have a rebound. Should I phase down the Proviron or just stop?
    I will continue with Unleashed, it's an awesome product and does not shut you down.
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    Just got my results back from the new doctor now. Wow, we went from no results to everything in one day. This is from the Friday test after my last pin and after my last day of Letro and my Estrogen was 14, which is normal low. So I guess the Monday test at 12 was a function of the Letro's 2 day half life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Ok. I'm leaving for SA on Saturday morning. I guess I can pin today the 125mg of Test proponate as you suggested and then pin again on the following Friday when I come back? I would want to continue Caber for another 3 weeks though and what about an AI? I'm assuming my body is still converting Test to Estrogen, I dont want to have a rebound. Should I phase down the Proviron or just stop?
    I will continue with Unleashed, it's an awesome product and does not shut you down.
    No - don't pin anything today - pin 125mg Test E before you leave, not test prop - so .5 ml from your Test E 250 on Friday before you leave. Then pin again when you return on the next friday. Keep it at .5 or .6 ml per week for a few weeks and let all the sh*t clear and your body can recover from all of the drugs you have been throwing at it. .3ml twice per week of Test E is the optimal dosing schedule - OK?

    Stop the caber - your prolactin is fine, if I recall correctly from skimming the previous posts.

    Stop the letro, - your E is low as is - get off of every drug except plain old testosterone at 125mg per week. Though you can run the provi up until you leave while the 500 test shot is still in your blood, then stop it too.

    You are taking provi and unleashed at the same time? Why? provi frees up test already. Holy crap dude. Stop the unleashed too - just get off of all of it - except the natural dose of test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    No - don't pin anything today - pin 125mg Test E before you leave, not test prop - so .5 ml from your Test E 250 on Friday before you leave. Then pin again when you return on the next friday. Keep it at .5 or .6 ml per week for a few weeks and let all the sh*t clear and your body can recover from all of the drugs you have been throwing at it. .3ml twice per week of Test E is the optimal dosing schedule - OK?

    Stop the caber - your prolactin is fine, if I recall correctly from skimming the previous posts.

    Stop the letro, - your E is low as is - get off of every drug except plain old testosterone at 125mg per week. Though you can run the provi up until you leave while the 500 test shot is still in your blood, then stop it too.

    You are taking provi and unleashed at the same time? Why? provi frees up test already. Holy crap dude. Stop the unleashed too - just get off of all of it - except the natural dose of test.
    My prolactin 3 1/2 weeks ago was 18. It should be between 14 and 17 and 8 weeks ago it was at 7. I didnt ask the doctor what it was from Friday's test but I can always call. I havent been on Unleashed for a week or more. I just got some yesterday and took some this morning.
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    Deca, along with any 19-Nor hormones, suppress T3 excessively (among other things) which causes a rise in Prolactin levels. Couple high prolactin with high estrogen and you have a recipe for a few bad things - low libido, greater likelihood of gyno occurring, emotionally unstable, etc etc.

    Normally, people run a dopamine agonist to suppress the prolactin issues, which still doesn't solve your estrogen problems. I typically say to run T3 and an AI alongside Deca or Tren to help keep estrogen low while also keeping prolactin at bay. This is all assuming that you are running a super high amount of test with them.

    Adding excessive amounts of test to it will only amplify the problem but at least it also makes you more anabolic, so there's a plus lol.

    But it sounds like you might have done just the opposite. You can also suppress things too harshly and yet have similar effects as the ones mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Deca, along with any 19-Nor hormones, suppress T3 excessively (among other things) which causes a rise in Prolactin levels. Couple high prolactin with high estrogen and you have a recipe for a few bad things - low libido, greater likelihood of gyno occurring, emotionally unstable, etc etc.

    Normally, people run a dopamine agonist to suppress the prolactin issues, which still doesn't solve your estrogen problems. I typically say to run T3 and an AI alongside Deca or Tren to help keep estrogen low while also keeping prolactin at bay. This is all assuming that you are running a super high amount of test with them.

    Adding excessive amounts of test to it will only amplify the problem but at least it also makes you more anabolic, so there's a plus lol.

    But it sounds like you might have done just the opposite. You can also suppress things too harshly and yet have similar effects as the ones mentioned above.
    Ok, so for now, that my estrogen is 12 and my prolaction as of 3 1/2 weeks ago was 18. What do I do?
    Also, when I run my next cycle, what would be good? I have Test E, Test C, Test P, Deca, EQ, Tren, Dbol, Anavar and Anabol.
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    I got back the whole report today, aside from my Estrogen being 14, my prolactin was 9, my Total Test was over 1500, my Free Test was over 50; but my LH was .1, thats very low.
    How do I get that up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    I got back the whole report today, aside from my Estrogen being 14, my prolactin was 9, my Total Test was over 1500, my Free Test was over 50; but my LH was .1, thats very low.
    How do I get that up?
    Your LH is going to stay low as long as your test is high. Your body is telling you brain you don't need test you have a lot in the blood
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    Your LH is going to stay low as long as your test is high. Your body is telling you brain you don't need test you have a lot in the blood
    So whats the point of HCG then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    So whats the point of HCG then?
    hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

    hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production

    In the male, hCG injections are used to stimulate the leydig cells to synthesize testosterone. The intratesticular testosterone is necessary for spermatogenesis from the sertoli cells. Typical uses for hCG in men include hypogonadism and fertility treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGUEL1J View Post
    hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

    hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production

    In the male, hCG injections are used to stimulate the leydig cells to synthesize testosterone. The intratesticular testosterone is necessary for spermatogenesis from the sertoli cells. Typical uses for hCG in men include hypogonadism and fertility treatment.
    So does it increase LH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    So does it increase LH?
    No, it mimics it.
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    HCG is in fact LH,that pregnant women distribute to in utero babies,which do not have sufficient LH.

    HCG during cycle,to maintain balls,and after that,clomid,to stimulate the brain to make LH again,which was suppresed(LH) by HCG and testosterone use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    No, it mimics it.
    I'm confused. What's the point of taking HCG on cycle or for PCT if all it's going to do is "miminic" it. I dont need more test during or after a cycle, I need my body to start producing it's own after it has shut down due to the cycle. I'm beginning to think this HCG for PCT or cycle is as they say "bro science".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    HCG is in fact LH,that pregnant women distribute to in utero babies,which do not have sufficient LH.

    HCG during cycle,to maintain balls,and after that,clomid,to stimulate the brain to make LH again,which was suppresed(LH) by HCG and testosterone use.
    So your saying that since HCG IS in fact LH and does the same thing that LH does, it is in fact making my body produce it's own test again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    So your saying that since HCG IS in fact LH and does the same thing that LH does, it is in fact making my body produce it's own test again?
    It causes the body to raise LH activity but will eventually (over long periods of time and with higher dosages) desensitize your testes, bringing you back to square one.

    The idea behind modern HCG use it to use it while on cycle to retain testicular function (low dose 250iu X 2/week) and when you stop pinning, you stop HCG. After the test clears, jump on Clomid for 4 weeks and things start to return to normal. Wait a few months and let the body normalize its production again. Start over.

    Also, Toco-8 taken at night also has similar effects as HCG only it doesn't desensitize testicles. I take them both together.

    And for the record, none of these guys have called HCG by its correct name.

    It is a GnRH, which stands for Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. It is a hormone that causes a release of LH. So no, it is not LH.

    It has a similar feedback loop to GHRH's, which are Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone. It's a hormone that causes the secretion of another, more powerful hormone.


    Another option in the GnRH world is Triptorelin. One single dose, taken @ 100mcg's after test clears, it a good way to start PCT. It is MUCH stronger than HCG, and thus should be taken with precaution. no more than 100mcg's should be taken. Wait a few days and start Clomid therapy from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    It causes the body to raise LH activity but will eventually (over long periods of time and with higher dosages) desensitize your testes, bringing you back to square one.

    The idea behind modern HCG use it to use it while on cycle to retain testicular function (low dose 250iu X 2/week) and when you stop pinning, you stop HCG. After the test clears, jump on Clomid for 4 weeks and things start to return to normal. Wait a few months and let the body normalize its production again. Start over.

    Also, Toco-8 taken at night also has similar effects as HCG only it doesn't desensitize testicles. I take them both together.

    And for the record, none of these guys have called HCG by its correct name.

    It is a GnRH, which stands for Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. It is a hormone that causes a release of LH. So no, it is not LH.

    It has a similar feedback loop to GHRH's, which are Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone. It's a hormone that causes the secretion of another, more powerful hormone.


    Another option in the GnRH world is Triptorelin. One single dose, taken @ 100mcg's after test clears, it a good way to start PCT. It is MUCH stronger than HCG, and thus should be taken with precaution. no more than 100mcg's should be taken. Wait a few days and start Clomid therapy from there.
    That was very informative thank you.
    About 2 weeks ago, before my last pin I was going to do HCG or the proper name GHRH; but someone said it's too late in the cycle so I should just blast the whole 5000IUs, so I did, then the next I did 250IUs for 5 days 1,000IUs for 5 days. I was also going to start Clomid yesterday but was told to wait 2 weeks after my last pin. Then my doctor said I should come off test slowly. My last bloods 7 days ago should me at >1600. He said and another guy on AM said take 1/2cc-1cc today and then again next Friday. I've also stopped AI two days ago since a blood test on Monday revealed my estrogen was at 12. I also started to taper off Proviron to 25mg; but am still on Caber, since last week. My Prolaction was 9 last Friday's bloods. And ofcourse still taking Unleashed.
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