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  1. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Ok, this is a semi-serious question I guess...do you envision some scenario in your mind where the military/police or some other nefarious government agency (helicopters overhead, mirrored sunglasses, dogs barking) is going door-to-door with a clipboard telling people to surrender their firearms?? Do the people that refuse get shot on sight?? Are you the hero that grabs his AR-15 from his closet and escapes into the mountains, kinda like Red Dawn (the 80's version with Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell)

    I'm not trying to be rude, but the mentality that "the govt. is going to take my guns" is kinda absurd...besides being logistically impossible everyone knows that "the people rising up in revolution against the tyrannical govt." is some hillbilly fallacy. Nobody will rise up because we might miss Jersey Shore, we have to get the kids to soccer, we don't want to ruin our nice clothes, the new iPhone is coming out and we are going to Golden Corral for dinner. As Rodja rightly pointed out we have first-world problems to deal with, no true tyranny, no true oppression. I hate politics on these forums but I just find this mentality very interesting.
  2. 5 Weeks On And Have Dead D**k


    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    Ok, this is a semi-serious question I guess...do you envision some scenario in your mind where the military/police or some other nefarious government agency (helicopters overhead, mirrored sunglasses, dogs barking) is going door-to-door with a clipboard telling people to surrender their firearms?? Do the people that refuse get shot on sight?? Are you the hero that grabs his AR-15 from his closet and escapes into the mountains, kinda like Red Dawn (the 80's version with Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell)

    I'm not trying to be rude, but the mentality that "the govt. is going to take my guns" is kinda absurd...besides being logistically impossible everyone knows that "the people rising up in revolution against the tyrannical govt." is some hillbilly fallacy. Nobody will rise up because we might miss Jersey Shore, we have to get the kids to soccer, we don't want to ruin our nice clothes, the new iPhone is coming out and we are going to Golden Corral for dinner. As Rodja rightly pointed out we have first-world problems to deal with, no true tyranny, no true oppression. I hate politics on these forums but I just find this mentality very interesting.
    I think you miss the point. No true oppression or tyranny is occurring now. Are there unjust or perhaps unnecessary restrictions on liberty? Absolutely.

    The point made about a tyrannical government is a hypothetical for the future in case a situation like Hitler ever materialized in America which is what many of the founding fathers wrote about (not disarming the populace in case of a tyrannical government in the future).

    And a full scale disarming or prohibition of firearms is incredibly unlikely, but the fact that Hitler did just that, legally, in Germany is food for thought.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    I think you miss the point. No true oppression or tyranny is occurring now. Are there unjust or perhaps unnecessary restrictions on liberty? Absolutely.

    The point made about a tyrannical government is a hypothetical for the future in case a situation like Hitler ever materialized in America which is what many of the founding fathers wrote about (not disarming the populace in case of a tyrannical government in the future).

    And a full scale disarming or prohibition of firearms is incredibly unlikely, but the fact that Hitler did just that, legally, in Germany is food for thought.
    Could not have said it better myself.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    Ok, this is a semi-serious question I guess...do you envision some scenario in your mind where the military/police or some other nefarious government agency (helicopters overhead, mirrored sunglasses, dogs barking) is going door-to-door with a clipboard telling people to surrender their firearms?? Do the people that refuse get shot on sight?? Are you the hero that grabs his AR-15 from his closet and escapes into the mountains, kinda like Red Dawn (the 80's version with Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell)

    I'm not trying to be rude, but the mentality that "the govt. is going to take my guns" is kinda absurd...besides being logistically impossible everyone knows that "the people rising up in revolution against the tyrannical govt." is some hillbilly fallacy. Nobody will rise up because we might miss Jersey Shore, we have to get the kids to soccer, we don't want to ruin our nice clothes, the new iPhone is coming out and we are going to Golden Corral for dinner. As Rodja rightly pointed out we have first-world problems to deal with, no true tyranny, no true oppression. I hate politics on these forums but I just find this mentality very interesting.
    There is no true tyranny in who's eyes? There are many different levels of tyranny and that's why I used the term "soft tyranny" what it means is that we now live in a country where in some states, honest citizens cannot own even a pistol. All this straw man arguements about "assault weapons" (whatever they are) is just that. A 17 year old girl threatened with arrest if she mentions Jesus in a graduation speech? Fines if we fail to buy health insurance. No one is being imprisoned, no one is being executed for their political or religious beliefs, hence the term "soft".
    Further; this argument that some people make that because things are worse in other countries it's ok for them to get half as bad here is ridiculous. My parents are from Italy and all the mistakes the Europeans have been making we are now making them here. I dont want to wait until things get like Pakistan to finally say enough is enough, by that time it's too late. It's like saying I'm not as fat as my neighbor so it's ok to get chubby.

  5. I go to work out come back and were still on anabolic politics. Who's gonna roid rage out first and hulk smash their monitor.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    I go to work out come back and were still on anabolic politics. Who's gonna roid rage out first and hulk smash their monitor.
    LOL!!!
    Admit it, it was better when we were talking about vaginas.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    I think you miss the point. No true oppression or tyranny is occurring now. Are there unjust or perhaps unnecessary restrictions on liberty? Absolutely.

    The point made about a tyrannical government is a hypothetical for the future in case a situation like Hitler ever materialized in America which is what many of the founding fathers wrote about (not disarming the populace in case of a tyrannical government in the future).

    And a full scale disarming or prohibition of firearms is incredibly unlikely, but the fact that Hitler did just that, legally, in Germany is food for thought.
    OK, fair enough, I can appreciate that answer but I guess I just don't understand the whole "in case of a tyrannical government" argument. The world in which your founding fathers lived and formed their ideals is a drastically different one then the one we find ourselves in now.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    LOL!!!
    Admit it, it was better when we were talking about vaginas.
    No argument here lol
  9. 5 Weeks On And Have Dead D**k


    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    OK, fair enough, I can appreciate that answer but I guess I just don't understand the whole "in case of a tyrannical government" argument. The world in which your founding fathers lived and formed their ideals is a drastically different one then the one we find ourselves in now.
    Is it really that different? In every age there are tyrannical governments and dictators that oppress their people. The details in approaches to the problems may and probably should vary from the Founders, but the fundamentals are indelible.

    I would think that the modern examples of Hitler, Stalin, Mubarak (Egypt), Assad, Saddam, Khomeini (Iran), Musselini (Italy), and so on and so forth would be convincing enough to demonstrate why the threat is always there for an oppressive government that can not be peacefully talked down.

    It would be naive to think that this could never happen to America, especially when most of our citizens are tuned out of reality with Jersey Shore and NBA.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    OK, fair enough, I can appreciate that answer but I guess I just don't understand the whole "in case of a tyrannical government" argument. The world in which your founding fathers lived and formed their ideals is a drastically different one then the one we find ourselves in now.
    Turbo6GN,
    I'm not trying to be an ass but go and do some research on the things the founding fathers were pissed about, hardly anything to start a revolution over and we have moved way passed those things. And if I'm not mistaken Hitler and Stalin were in the 20th century not the 18th.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    Is it really that different? In every age there are tyrannical governments and dictators that oppress their people. The details in approaches to the problems may and probably should vary from the Founders, but the fundamentals are indelible.

    I would think that the modern examples of Hitler, Stalin, Mubarak (Egypt), Assad, Saddam, Khomeini (Iran), Musselini (Italy), and so on and so forth would be convincing enough to demonstrate why the threat is always there for an oppressive government that can not be peacefully talked down.

    It would be naive to think that this could never happen to America, especially when most of our citizens are tuned out of reality with Jersey Shore and NBA.
    You are the man!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    You are the man!!
    Look you mention Jersey Shore and he get's all excited, he's like MY PEOPLE!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by 00S4Boy View Post
    Look you mention Jersey Shore and he get's all excited, he's like MY PEOPLE!
    LOL!!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    Ok, this is a semi-serious question I guess...do you envision some scenario in your mind where the military/police or some other nefarious government agency (helicopters overhead, mirrored sunglasses, dogs barking) is going door-to-door with a clipboard telling people to surrender their firearms?? Do the people that refuse get shot on sight?? Are you the hero that grabs his AR-15 from his closet and escapes into the mountains, kinda like Red Dawn (the 80's version with Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell)

    I'm not trying to be rude, but the mentality that "the govt. is going to take my guns" is kinda absurd...besides being logistically impossible everyone knows that "the people rising up in revolution against the tyrannical govt." is some hillbilly fallacy. Nobody will rise up because we might miss Jersey Shore, we have to get the kids to soccer, we don't want to ruin our nice clothes, the new iPhone is coming out and we are going to Golden Corral for dinner. As Rodja rightly pointed out we have first-world problems to deal with, no true tyranny, no true oppression. I hate politics on these forums but I just find this mentality very interesting.
    You must have missed it when law enforcement went house to house in Louisiana right after Katrina hit. At gunpoint hey disarmed law abiding citizens of their firearms just when looting was begining. They knew they had them because they pulled the registered firearms lists so they could hunt them down. And many of those illiegally confiscated/stolen firearms have never been returned.

    You are blind. You think that maybe these little things arn't a big deal because they don't effect you right now, today. They though the same thing in 1930's Germany. Tyranny is implemented little by little until it has enough momentum to overthrow a people's freedom. Nazi Germany wasn't born overnight; here a little and there a little freedom was chipped away at until the people had lost their freedom. The right to keep and bear arms is not just for person protection from criminals or hunting, but as a check against governmental tyranny. Either learn from the lessons of history or be damned by them; you can choose... at least for now.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by saludable24 View Post
    You must have missed it when law enforcement went house to house in Louisiana right after Katrina hit. At gunpoint hey disarmed law abiding citizens of their firearms just when looting was begining. They knew they had them because they pulled the registered firearms lists so they could hunt them down. And many of those illiegally confiscated/stolen firearms have never been returned.

    You are blind. You think that maybe these little things arn't a big deal because they don't effect you right now, today. They though the same thing in 1930's Germany. Tyranny is implemented little by little until it has enough momentum to overthrow a people's freedom. Nazi Germany wasn't born overnight; here a little and there a little freedom was chipped away at until the people had lost their freedom. The right to keep and bear arms is not just for person protection from criminals or hunting, but as a check against governmental tyranny. Either learn from the lessons of history or be damned by them; you can choose... at least for now.
    No, I'm not blind, I just refuse to give in to paranoia and irrational fear. To each their own, and by the way I'm by no means anti-gun, I own several and carry one every day when I work. And in a relative political sense Nazi Germany was born almost overnight.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Pretty sure there isn't anything regarding firearms in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. All in all, that's what we are truly entitled to as people and everything above that is an amenity
    Much respect to you personally, but this post is crap. Man's right to the means to defends himself and his family and property are inherently his and need not be confired or limited by some declaration of his rights by a body of men as if they had the authority to grant them to him. Our rights are inherent to us as human beings and are self evident. Government does not exist to grant unto us our God given rights; it exists to maintain and ensure them. Any action by the government to the contrary is very dangerous.
    Last edited by saludable24; 01-07-2013 at 01:56 AM. Reason: grammar

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    No, I'm not blind, I just refuse to give in to paranoia and irrational fear. To each their own, and by the way I'm by no means anti-gun, I own several and carry one every day when I work. And in a relative political sense Nazi Germany was born almost overnight.
    One does not have to be fearful or paranoid about gun control to acknowledge that there appear to be efforts to curtail the freedom of law abiding citizens or to aknowledge the brazen deprivation of their rights. But, we can agree to disagree as to whether these things matter.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by saludable24 View Post
    You must have missed it when law enforcement went house to house in Louisiana right after Katrina hit. At gunpoint hey disarmed law abiding citizens of their firearms just when looting was begining. They knew they had them because they pulled the registered firearms lists so they could hunt them down. And many of those illiegally confiscated/stolen firearms have never been returned.

    You are blind. You think that maybe these little things arn't a big deal because they don't effect you right now, today. They though the same thing in 1930's Germany. Tyranny is implemented little by little until it has enough momentum to overthrow a people's freedom. Nazi Germany wasn't born overnight; here a little and there a little freedom was chipped away at until the people had lost their freedom. The right to keep and bear arms is not just for person protection from criminals or hunting, but as a check against governmental tyranny. Either learn from the lessons of history or be damned by them; you can choose... at least for now.
    Brother you are on a roll!! You make me proud to be an American! To think all this started over my Deca D**k.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    No, I'm not blind, I just refuse to give in to paranoia and irrational fear. To each their own, and by the way I'm by no means anti-gun, I own several and carry one every day when I work. And in a relative political sense Nazi Germany was born almost overnight.
    What do you do for a living?

  20. hey moron, it already happened to rich white people in hurricane katrina, get informed f/uck face before you say some stupid s/hit, ya we dont have horrible tyranny yet because we have fought for oour rights but that will vanish man
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    Ok, this is a semi-serious question I guess...do you envision some scenario in your mind where the military/police or some other nefarious government agency (helicopters overhead, mirrored sunglasses, dogs barking) is going door-to-door with a clipboard telling people to surrender their firearms?? Do the people that refuse get shot on sight?? Are you the hero that grabs his AR-15 from his closet and escapes into the mountains, kinda like Red Dawn (the 80's version with Patrick Swayze and C. Thomas Howell)

    I'm not trying to be rude, but the mentality that "the govt. is going to take my guns" is kinda absurd...besides being logistically impossible everyone knows that "the people rising up in revolution against the tyrannical govt." is some hillbilly fallacy. Nobody will rise up because we might miss Jersey Shore, we have to get the kids to soccer, we don't want to ruin our nice clothes, the new iPhone is coming out and we are going to Golden Corral for dinner. As Rodja rightly pointed out we have first-world problems to deal with, no true tyranny, no true oppression. I hate politics on these forums but I just find this mentality very interesting.

  21. irrational, they all introducing senate, state and ounty bills(possibly executive order to) take the guns, feinsteins bill? are you retarded??? Nazi Germany (hitler) took the guns in 1934 and started invasion in poland in 1939, thats overnight for sure, just stop talking man
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo6GN View Post
    No, I'm not blind, I just refuse to give in to paranoia and irrational fear. To each their own, and by the way I'm by no means anti-gun, I own several and carry one every day when I work. And in a relative political sense Nazi Germany was born almost overnight.

  22. didnt even read this before i posted my pos, YES DUDE YOU ARE THE SH/IT
    Quote Originally Posted by saludable24 View Post
    You must have missed it when law enforcement went house to house in Louisiana right after Katrina hit. At gunpoint hey disarmed law abiding citizens of their firearms just when looting was begining. They knew they had them because they pulled the registered firearms lists so they could hunt them down. And many of those illiegally confiscated/stolen firearms have never been returned.

    You are blind. You think that maybe these little things arn't a big deal because they don't effect you right now, today. They though the same thing in 1930's Germany. Tyranny is implemented little by little until it has enough momentum to overthrow a people's freedom. Nazi Germany wasn't born overnight; here a little and there a little freedom was chipped away at until the people had lost their freedom. The right to keep and bear arms is not just for person protection from criminals or hunting, but as a check against governmental tyranny. Either learn from the lessons of history or be damned by them; you can choose... at least for now.

  23. SCOTTYS ON FIRE
    Quote Originally Posted by saludable24 View Post
    You must have missed it when law enforcement went house to house in Louisiana right after Katrina hit. At gunpoint hey disarmed law abiding citizens of their firearms just when looting was begining. They knew they had them because they pulled the registered firearms lists so they could hunt them down. And many of those illiegally confiscated/stolen firearms have never been returned.

    You are blind. You think that maybe these little things arn't a big deal because they don't effect you right now, today. They though the same thing in 1930's Germany. Tyranny is implemented little by little until it has enough momentum to overthrow a people's freedom. Nazi Germany wasn't born overnight; here a little and there a little freedom was chipped away at until the people had lost their freedom. The right to keep and bear arms is not just for person protection from criminals or hunting, but as a check against governmental tyranny. Either learn from the lessons of history or be damned by them; you can choose... at least for now.
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