Any studies confirmiong nors do work?

[Fastflight]

Hi,

After doing some research,I´ve found only three studies,
all concluding 19-nor/dien/diol to be having no effect on
body composition,strenght and athletic performance,
while at the same time to being harmless and leading to a
positive doping-test.

Are there any studies that tell diffent?

Thanks for answeres!

fastflight

 

[darius]

Why don't you look up people's cycles who have actually used 19-Nor. The majority of the 19-Nor cycles that I have read about showed very nice mass gains.

 

[MarcusG]

Hi,

After doing some research,I´ve found only three studies,
all concluding 19-nor/dien/diol to be having no effect on
body composition,strenght and athletic performance,
while at the same time to being harmless and leading to a
positive doping-test.
...........

Post links and titles of those studies and I'll have a quick read.

 

[Fastflight]

hi,


it´s posted here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11708699

 

[CEDeoudes59]

they work, its nothing special - if its a first cycle you should see decent results in size, the complimenting strength - is a different story.

 

[judge-mental]

oral low dosage does not work, studies are correct...

but not relevant

 

[MarcusG]

hi,


it´s posted here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11708699

That link only says that positive drug test will result. Which is true.

About the efficacy of ph, there was a JAMA study that used about 300mg of andro. That _oral_ dose is quite useless and andro is a poor 1st gen ph.

 

[Fastflight]

Thanks guys I did some further research and found my suspicion and what you´re telling is right.

 

[Zero Tolerance]

So a cycle with 600mg-900mg per day can be effective.. Correct?

 

[THEBRAKES]

So a cycle with 600mg-900mg per day can be effective.. Correct?

the only 19-nor you should touch is 19-nor-diol and yeah 600mg would pack a punch. add 4-ad to keep nor-dick at bay. not a bad 1st cycle....you could run 1-ad along with it and really explode, but you'll get some more sides.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

females notice results with low oral doses. males would like it at high trans doses.

 

[afgmuscle]

Ive done a nor cycle and it does work but not to the extent of the other prohormones, but I would say it is a quality supplement for putting on mass, adding 4 ad would help with the cycle alot

 

[UNDERTAKER]

what is a good amount ed for 19nor trans as I plan to stack it with Superdrol. I was gonna get norderm from dermabolics. Someone told 200mg ed is not enough.

 

[UNDERTAKER]

I was gonna do 400mg ed for a month with Super

 

[afgmuscle]

200mg wouldnt be enough, 400mg would be good, if you don't see results bump it to 500 or 600mg, I used 600mg and it worked great, but since your using superdrol too I think 400-500 mg would be good :thumbsup: