short cycle ? (bulking)

  1. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    short cycle ? (bulking)


    Well I have been toying with the idea of short cycles after reading some good advice on here. Since by the time I would be ready to start in jan. winter is coming towards the second half, and I would rather not start a 12week bulker, since cutting would be ahrd to do in time for summer, so I figure a short cycle might be what I need. I am not to familiar with all I would need for a short cycle if I wanted to do it, so this is what I have so far, any help would be appreciated on this.

    (this would be my first real cycle)
    1-4 T.B. 700mgs/week
    1-4 Dbol 40mgs/day

    For the T.B. I am not sure if that is to low or not. Since this is a short cycle I took out pinning on this since id rather not pin prop on a first cycle. Please give some advice for dosage, different ideas, add something to the list, or take something off, im opeing for brainstorming.

  2. Registered User
    Beelzebub's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Age
    36
    Posts
    6,684
    Rep Power
    10791
    Level
    55
    Lv. Percent
    69.82%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    kinda toying with the short cycle idea myself as well. as for the TB, that dose is definately not too low. since there's no ester weight, you're getting a straight 700mg of test.
  3. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2270
    Level
    44
    Lv. Percent
    93.36%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    700mg is a fine doasge, but is that 700mg used or absorbed(assuming transdermal)? In doing the short cycles, you want a strong dosage. The idea is to hit the body hard and fast then come off and recover.
    •   
       

  4. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Well I wasn't even thinking of that before hand, also when I read another article on here. Yes it would be 700mg absorbed (at best case scenerio of 50%). It is 25mg per pump, 8pumps per day = 200mg/50 = 100mgs (like I said best case scenerio).

    Since this is a short cycle I was just checking to make sure I shouldn't have anything added with the two compounds already (didn't think I needed more). How would you guys think this would compare with a test enan 500mg/week for 10/12weeks, dbol 40mg/day for 4weeks as far as gains go? Im guessing the 10/12week cycle would be better, but just not sure if it would even compare or not.
  5. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    bump for more feedback
  6. Professional Member
    jminis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    4,023
    Rep Power
    2190
    Level
    43
    Lv. Percent
    47.08%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    I wouldn't take Dbol till the end of my cycle. I would run Test base 700mg 1-4
    Dbol- 1-2 50mg/day
    Winny, M4ohn any high anabolic low adrogenic 3-5 or 4-6 to solidify gains. I wouldn't want to come out of a cycle on a high androgen and have estro running loose. If I did I would be running an AI for sure.
  7. Board Supporter
    kevinW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    51
    Posts
    57
    Rep Power
    167
    Level
    6
    Lv. Percent
    87.31%

    I Am thinking of just such a cycle come the first of the month I will be doing 300mg tb (thinking only 30% absorbed=100mg) 40mg dbol 600mg 1test (again dermal) 75mg mdht & .25mg armdx ED for 6weeks
    Last edited by kevinW; 11-15-2004 at 12:02 AM. Reason: forgot It would be 6weeks
  8. Senior Member
    Jstrong20's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Posts
    1,385
    Rep Power
    215267
    Level
    33
    Lv. Percent
    58.49%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    If this is your first cycle that is plenty. I've done short cycles and gained well off of them. I would suggest going 6 weeks instead of 4 though. If this is your first cycle the dbol at 40mgs by itself would be plenty if you don't want to pin the test. Actualy my first cycle was only dbol and I gained well off of that so you might want to hold the test for next cycle. Or you could do just the test and save the dbol for next cycle.
  9. New Member
    captainbicept's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    227
    Rep Power
    260
    Level
    13
    Lv. Percent
    40.89%

    if this is your first cycle, you could do a lean bulker, run it 12 weeks, something like:
    weeks 1-10 test e 500mg/week
    weeks 7-12 winny 50mg/day
    l-dex .25mg/day weeks 1-12
    (adding EQ in there would make it that much better)
    then pct
  10. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    well i was planning on pinning (not new to it) but didn want to run a long cycle so late in the year when summers coming.

    Jminis - I had been thinking about it and was thinking doing my original cycle then use sledges new superdrol to harden up weeks 5-6. Not sure if that is a good idea or if you would still recommend what you said. just throwing out ideas.
  11. Professional Member
    jminis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    4,023
    Rep Power
    2190
    Level
    43
    Lv. Percent
    47.08%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    well i was planning on pinning (not new to it) but didn want to run a long cycle so late in the year when summers coming.

    Jminis - I had been thinking about it and was thinking doing my original cycle then use sledges new superdrol to harden up weeks 5-6. Not sure if that is a good idea or if you would still recommend what you said. just throwing out ideas.

    If you want to pin use test prop or suspension. As for the superdrol idea I like it. But I would just take the Dbol to week 3 then at 50mg/day.
  12. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Well there was one other thing I was debating, whether to use m1t instead of dbol. If seen lots of guys say that m1t can be a good replacement to dbol. Well my question is, does it generate the same amount of lbm that dbol would, or is there another reason people suggest it instead of dbol? If it is a good alternative I would use it, I could always use the extra $$$ it would save me.


    As far as test prop goes, the only way i have stayed away is because I have heard it is pretty painful. The eod injections wouldnt bother me since I do that anyways right now with 1-tset cyp/sledge test. Not sure if ed would be the best idea for prop. But as far as gains go, would test prop be the better choice for gaining some muscle than the dermal? I guess if this is going to be a short cycle it should be an all out cycle, meaning if it hurts than ill suck it up. Not sure on dosage for prop, havent looked at it yet, would it be the same as anyother test? Meaning around 500mgs a week for a first cycle?
    Last edited by snakebyte05; 11-15-2004 at 08:53 PM.
  13. Advanced Member
    Jeff's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Age
    44
    Posts
    637
    Rep Power
    464
    Level
    20
    Lv. Percent
    80.35%

    Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Not sure on dosage for prop, havent looked at it yet, would it be the same as anyother test? Meaning around 500mgs a week for a first cycle?
    Test is test, just remember that 500mg of prop gives you more test then 500mg of enan. There are a couple of thread floating around that give the exact numbers.
  14. Board Supporter
    snakebyte05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,538
    Rep Power
    902
    Level
    30
    Lv. Percent
    85.43%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff
    Test is test, just remember that 500mg of prop gives you more test then 500mg of enan. There are a couple of thread floating around that give the exact numbers.
    good point on that. Well now the question is would eod or ed be better for it......choices choices....Gotta love planning out the cycles, its almost as good as being ON the cycle
  15. Registered User
    glenihan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Age
    32
    Posts
    3,679
    Rep Power
    1965
    Level
    44
    Lv. Percent
    6.96%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    for prop if you are going to compare ed and eod ed would be better it will allow for more even blood levels

    although you'd be fine with eod as well, its just imo ed would be relatively better
  16. Pityin' fools since '81
    chasec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Age
    33
    Posts
    1,220
    Rep Power
    745
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    74.87%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    i would......

    hit the prop 700mg/week 1-5 (shot ED)
    dbol 50mg/QD 1-2
    SupDrol 4-6
    PCT
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Short Cycles of Bulking/Cutting
    By ODoyle99 in forum Nutrition / Health
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 06-30-2014, 10:13 PM
  2. Short Lean Bulk Cycle
    By steak taco in forum Old School Hormone Use
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-07-2012, 01:07 AM
  3. Opinions on short cycles....
    By lifted in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 05-19-2004, 04:55 PM
  4. Short cycling and 19Nor 2Weeks On/4 Weeks of
    By neurotic in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-10-2003, 10:31 PM
  5. bulking agent mid-short cycle
    By khafra in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-28-2002, 12:34 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in