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    anavar?


    anyone have a reccomended run of this?

    dosage/length.


    thanks


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    Originally posted by hamper19
    anyone have a reccomended run of this?

    dosage/length.


    thanks


    h19
    Many people use 20mg ED
    It is 17aa so probably no more than 6 weeks in my opinion

    You need to give us more information bro... what are you stats, what are you planning to do, age, etc.... plus, try to do some research on your own and then come back with specifics as they pertain to you...


    Here is some info anyway:

    Because of its mild nature and the low doses generally used with oxandrolone there is very little use for secondary compounds like anti-aromatase drugs, estrogen receptor antagonists or blood pressure medication. That in itself may somewhat make up for the high cost and little gains made on it.

    In stacks Anavar is sometimes used to increase strength or help maintain it during mass phases. Oxandrolone obviously has very little to add in terms of mass compared to the other substances used to obtain such goals. It fades in comparison to test, Deca, Anadrol, D-bol and such. Nonetheless it is added quite often, perhaps because people assume it will make the overall stack less hazardous, but that's a myth of course. Frankly I would imagine there are better and cheaper things to waste your money on if mass is what you seek.

    On a cutting phase oxandrolone makes a good match for 120-140 mcg of clenbuterol daily stacked with something in the nature of Halotestin or Winstrol. The combination improves muscle hardness and striation as well as support mass and strength retention. Experienced users would preferably add testosterone propionate or Equipoise no doubt, rather than Halotestin or Winstrol due to less hazard to the liver associated with those two drugs, especially Halotestin.

    Mostly it is used for decent strength gains without gaining too much weight, particularly suited for weight- and powerlifters and martial artists. In that aspect, and in my humble opinion, Winstrol would be a good choice for a stack. 50 mg of Winstrol every day to every other day stacked with 30-40 mg of oxandrolone daily would give a very good result in overall strength enhancement without adding a mentionable amount of weight to the frame.
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    thanks, Ive done research on it. I just forgot what dosages people have normally used. Honestly, I probably just didnt feel like doing a search at the time. lol..


    thanks for the info


    later

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    forgot to tell you the info

    im 23yrs old
    about 5'7"
    180lbs @ roughly 12%bf

    Im not even sure if I will use it, I just needed the dosage real quick. And if I did use it it would be to harden up and I believe I actually read that it has some anti-e capabilities (along with winstrol) when it is progesterone related, say with deca or fina.

    later.

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    anavar is best used with an injectible , and dosage of anavar ? well , u'll see nothing with a dosage less than 30-40 mg ed ....
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    I also was thinking along the lines of 40mg/day

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    I do not reccomend Ananvar. Too expensive for the results it provides. Fina or 1 test are far better IMO
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    Agreed....only good attribute of anavar is the safety issue, which is like sucking tit through a sweater because in turn is costs you a bit on gains, not a good compromise in my opinion, especially for the money and like WYD said, it is a 17aa so not too liver friendly.
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    how safe is anavar anyway ? i mean maybe a lil easier on ur liver , lesser bloat and stuf but u can have that with other steroids too if u use them well .
    i say do a proper steroid cycle , then see for urself that evrything will go right...
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    Originally posted by raybravo
    how safe is anavar anyway ? i mean maybe a lil easier on ur liver , lesser bloat and stuf but u can have that with other steroids too if u use them well .

    If you you use them well? Please explain.
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    lets consider the most used steroid , testosterone, now lets say u r using 500 mg per week of test enanthate , with that dose , on ur first cycle , u wont be having to much bloat , if at all , even if u do , use like .25 mg arimi , and even that is taken care of , and gyno ? please , at 500 mg , no way ! i mean none of the sides are that prominent with the dosages used yb beginners , so why even bother with these safe steroids .?
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    Well I dont think its a fair assumption to generalize everyone and mimumal sides, everyone's body will react different. And lets remember, anavar was developed or made for the sole use of bodybuilders getting ahold of them and swelling up, I have personally seen some solid results with anavar, I personal think the major reason for the use of anavar is the retention of gains after its all over, which is very good, one of these best.
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    well yes , anavar u can make some gains , but wud u want 5 pounds or wud u want 15 ? with the sides being very much similar ? IMO , anavar is simply over priced and all it is good for is to bridge , even then primo wud be a better option ....
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    I would not run var alone unless it was a bridge.

    In a stack its good with eq, primo, fina and of course test but what isnt.

    25 mg per day is the minimum I would take.

    Agree with general consensus here its not worth the $'s
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    From what I've seens Var is a waste of money, I think fina ia far better and much cheaper. I repeat VAr is a waste of money
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    fina+anavar=lean mass gain....no water weight what so ever.

    fina 76mg/day for 8 weeks
    anavar 40mg/day for 10 weeks

    a friend of mine did this along with some t3...and omg what a difference that made!
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    you guys are comparing var to Fina........i mean one you have to inject ED..or at least EOD, the other you swallow in pill form...So if someone didnt want to do all those injections, and all they wanted was 5lb lbm...then Var would be the way to go...Plus...its good to harden up, and if thats your goal with no weight gain....then..its good as well...

     

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    If all you want is 5lbs of lbm then just use 1 test. After all it is legal.
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    Originally posted by hamper19
    you guys are comparing var to Fina........i mean one you have to inject ED..or at least EOD, the other you swallow in pill form...So if someone didnt want to do all those injections, and all they wanted was 5lb lbm...then Var would be the way to go...Plus...its good to harden up, and if thats your goal with no weight gain....then..its good as well...

     

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    Yeah but Var cost 10 times as much. Alot to pay for small gains. Everyday injects are nothing once you get used to them you actually miss them.
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    'Var not that safe!


    Originally posted by raybravo
    how safe is anavar anyway ? i mean maybe a lil easier on ur liver , lesser bloat and stuf but u can have that with other steroids too if u use them well .
    i say do a proper steroid cycle , then see for urself that evrything will go right...
    I may need to go look it up, but right off the top of my head, I believe oxandrolone used at more than 40mg a day was shown in clinical studies to cause liver toxicity.
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    Originally posted by Aneas



    Yeah but Var cost 10 times as much. Alot to pay for small gains. Everyday injects are nothing once you get used to them you actually miss them.
     

    see depends where you get it........would you say...$100 for 100 5mg var tabs was too expensive?  I wouldn't.

    china?

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    Originally posted by hamper19


     

    see depends where you get it........would you say...$100 for 100 5mg var tabs was too expensive?  I wouldn't.

    china?

    h19

    Sounds like a generic to me.

    I was getting 50mg tabs for 3 bucks a pop. Best deal I have ever seen on var.

    Thats still 8 bucks (your price) a day at 40 mgs. You can take a good dosage of home brewed tren for a little over 1 dollar per day.
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    Re: 'Var not that safe!


    Originally posted by DevilSmack
    I may need to go look it up, but right off the top of my head, I believe oxandrolone used at more than 40mg a day was shown in clinical studies to cause liver toxicity.

    All aa-17 gear is hepatic. Regardless if its var or dbol. But at dosages of like 25-40 mg per day I would not worry as long as you take breaks and dont run cycle to long.

    No real sides with var - its what women use.
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    I know this man. I posted for all of those who think that 'var is safer than other orals. BTW, I am going to send you a PM, I have a question.
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    help please


    Quote Originally Posted by Blindfaith
    fina+anavar=lean mass gain....no water weight what so ever.

    fina 76mg/day for 8 weeks
    anavar 40mg/day for 10 weeks

    a friend of mine did this along with some t3...and omg what a difference that made!
    I took ananvar alone for a couple of weeks and developed gynecomastia is that what the fina is for
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    Quote Originally Posted by anibal
    I took ananvar alone for a couple of weeks and developed gynecomastia is that what the fina is for

    no offense, but your question is probably why u got gyno..

    fina = trenbelone acetate = AAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by anibal
    I took ananvar alone for a couple of weeks and developed gynecomastia is that what the fina is for
    You were not taking anavar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    You were not taking anavar.


    yes
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    I took oxandrin for just under 2mo and i did develop gyno i took 40 mg daily for with out anything else. any more advice
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    What Size means is you probably got some bunk **** that had other AAS mixed in. The chance of you getting gyno from var is slim to none. The chance of you getting something other then var 80%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    You were not taking anavar.
    actually i was taking 100 percent oxandrin thats what the prescription said
    prescribed for legitimate reasons. Im fascinated by the disbelief or yet denial that many have on it actually causing gynomastia. I am not a juicer or bodybuilder in other words I was not taking anything else from anybody other than a reputable professional specialist.
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    I have also noticed some people in this forum discuss this in the past the mechanism behind aromatizing estrogens and articles based on oxandrin and reasons why it should not cause gyno. however i am a living proof on it not for quite 2 months and my doctor has confirmed to me that if i did in fact take 40-60mg the liklihood of the medicine being the contributing factor to be more than likely. now i still feel not at ease that some people in this forum have a hard time believing without a doubt that oxandrin causes gyno. looking for feedback. please no journals or articles about recommended dose as we all know that this does not correlate to the dose that i was taking or possibly most other people on this forum who have also taken it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anibal
    actually i was taking 100 percent oxandrin thats what the prescription said
    prescribed for legitimate reasons. Im fascinated by the disbelief or yet denial that many have on it actually causing gynomastia. I am not a juicer or bodybuilder in other words I was not taking anything else from anybody other than a reputable professional specialist.

    In this case, then you are in rarity. I suggest not using AAS. However, you need to leave your attitude behind or find a new board. No one is attacking you. My initial post relates to the FACT that anavar is commonly faked.


    Some info from the insert:
    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions have been associated with use of anabolic steroids: Hepatic: Cholestatic jaundice with, rarely, hepatic necrosis and death. Hepatocellular neoplasms and peliosis hepatis with long-term therpy (See WARNINGS). Reversible changes in liver function tests also occur including increased bromsulfophthalein (BSP) retention, and increases in serum bilirubin, aspartate aminotransferase (AST, SGOT) and alkaline phosphatase.
    In males:
    Prepubertal: Phallic enlargement and increased frequency or persistence of erections.
    Postpubertal: Inhibition of testicular function, testicular atrophy and oligospermia, impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, and bladder irritability.


    Relating to dosage
    Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5 to 20mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5mg or as much as 20mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.


    Notice what is missing from the adverse reactions in males?
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    In this case, then you are in rarity. I suggest not using AAS. However, you need to leave your attitude behind or find a new board. No one is attacking you. My initial post relates to the FACT that anavar is commonly faked.


    Some info from the insert:
    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions have been associated with use of anabolic steroids: Hepatic: Cholestatic jaundice with, rarely, hepatic necrosis and death. Hepatocellular neoplasms and peliosis hepatis with long-term therpy (See WARNINGS). Reversible changes in liver function tests also occur including increased bromsulfophthalein (BSP) retention, and increases in serum bilirubin, aspartate aminotransferase (AST, SGOT) and alkaline phosphatase.
    In males:
    Prepubertal: Phallic enlargement and increased frequency or persistence of erections.
    Postpubertal: Inhibition of testicular function, testicular atrophy and oligospermia, impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, and bladder irritability.


    Relating to dosage
    Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5 to 20mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5mg or as much as 20mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.


    Notice what is missing from the adverse reactions in males?
    Im sorry if my previous posting emanated a tone other than one of humble interest or desperate search for this happening to me when it should not have. My intentions were not to insult or offend. I just feel that as what you just posted the dosage they are talking about are for 2.5 to 20mg not for more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anibal
    I just feel that as what you just posted the dosage they are talking about are for 2.5 to 20mg not for more than that.
    I understand, and in fact, I have spent much of the evening trying to find some studies indicating the development of gyno in males from anavar. Thus far, I have come up empty. I will continue to look as I am intrigued by this.

    Initially, I expected that you had received fake anavar tablets. However, this apparently is not the case.
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    Thanks alot, I really appreciate your help. Im at the moment doing the same thing and can not find anything either
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    I understand, and in fact, I have spent much of the evening trying to find some studies indicating the development of gyno in males from anavar. Thus far, I have come up empty. I will continue to look as I am intrigued by this.

    Initially, I expected that you had received fake anavar tablets. However, this apparently is not the case.

    You know what I have searched surfed the internet day and night trying to find any evidence suggestive of oxandrin being the culprit for gyno but I guess im just going to have to tell you "i guess your right". maybe i was a rare case as there is no literature to hint or suggest this. In fact everything states the opposite. I am totally frustrated Im just going to have to think back really hard and figure out what else could have caused it. I do have some oxandrin left which i stopped taking the expiration date is 2003. I am interested in using them again now what else can i do to ensure ascertain that it goes well in the gyno dept. In other words if you were in my shoes and had 2mo wortth of oxandrin with expiration date 2003. would you use them and if so with what else to be safe with the gyno. Sorry for all the effort you put into helping me out. Im calling my doctor today and asking him to go throught th eprocess of finding the "real" reason for my gyno with me. Size thanks for everytrhing as for now i have to agress with you my gyno was probably not from anavar. Please allow me however to post you what ever information my doctor can pull out of his bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anibal
    I am interested in using them again now what else can i do to ensure ascertain that it goes well in the gyno dept. In other words if you were in my shoes and had 2mo wortth of oxandrin with expiration date 2003. would you use them and if so with what else to be safe with the gyno. Sorry for all the effort you put into helping me out. Im calling my doctor today and asking him to go throught th eprocess of finding the "real" reason for my gyno with me. Size thanks for everytrhing as for now i have to agress with you my gyno was probably not from anavar. Please allow me however to post you what ever information my doctor can pull out of his bible.
    Please post the info your doctor gives you, I would like to read the opinion.

    If you choose to use it again, I would take nolvadex daily to help avoid a possible reoccurrence.
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    I just spoke with my doctor he states and is very adamant that this medicine does in fact cause gynecomastia. he said he looked it up in the physicians desk reference (docotrs bible) and it lists breast gynecomastia as an adverse rxn. I insisted to him that if it says breast does it not refer to women being victims not the men. He states absolutely not. after 10 minutes of me trying to convince him that it seems like its refering to females he insists that it applies to both sexes. Im sure you found the insert on the internet that i found ill try to post up what it says, but you be the judge My doctor has a good repoir but he is not god and could be misinterpreting. you decide.
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    Cool


    it looks to me like this website explains what my doctor said but again left to interpretation feel free to paste this website and interpret yourself the adverse rxns. you need to download the adobe acrobat insert located at bottom of homepage i pasted that section her tell me what you think isit obvious or am i right are the ar a little hazy to follow because of the word breast
    http://www.ross.com/productHandbook/pharma/oxandrin.asp

    ADVERSE REACTIONS
    The following adverse reactions have been associated with use of

    anabolic steroids:

    Hepatic: Cholestatic jaundice with, rarely, hepatic necrosis and death.

    Hepatocellular neoplasms and peliosis hepatis with long-term therapy

    (See WARNINGS). Reversible changes in liver function tests also

    occur including increased bromsulfophthalein (BSP) retention, and

    increases in serum bilirubin, aspartate aminotransferase (AST,

    SGOT) and alkaline phosphatase.

    In males:

    Prepubertal: Phallic enlargement and increased frequency or persistence

    of erections.

    Postpubertal: Inhibition of testicular function, testicular atrophy and

    oligospermia, impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, and bladder

    irritability.

    In females:

    Clitoral enlargement, menstrual irregularities.

    CNS: Habituation, excitation, insomnia, depression, and changes in libido.

    Hematologic: Bleeding in patients on concomitant oral anticoagulant therapy.

    Breast: Gynecomastia.

    Larynx: Deepening of the voice in females.

    Hair: Hirsutism and male pattern baldness in females.

    Skin: Acne (especially in females and prepubertal males).

    Skeletal: Premature closure of epiphyses in children (See PRECAUTIONS:

    Pediatric use).

    Fluid and electrolytes: Edema, retention of serum electrolytes (sodium

    chloride, potassium, phosphate, calcium).

    Metabolic/Endocrine: Decreased glucose tolerance (See PRECAUTIONS:

    Laboratory Tests), increased creatinine excretion, increased serum levels

    of creatinine phosphokinase (CPK). Masculinization of the fetus. Inhibition

    of gonadotropin secretion.

    OVERDOSAGE

    No symptoms or signs associated with overdosage have been reported.

    It is possible that sodium and water retention may occur.

    The oral LD50 of oxandrolone in mice and dogs is greater than 5,000 mg/kg.

    No specific antidote is known, but gastric lavage may be used.

    DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

    Therapy with anabolic steroids is adjunctive to and not a replacement

    for conventional therapy. The duration of therapy with Oxandrin

    (oxandrolone) will depend on the response of the patient and the possible

    appearance of adverse reactions. Therapy should be intermittent.

    Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The

    daily adult dosage is 2.5 mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided

    doses.The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5 mg

    or as much as 20 mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is

    usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.

    Children: For children the total daily dosage of Oxandrin is ²0.1 mg

    per kilogram body weight or ²0.045 mg per pound of body weight.

    This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.

    HOW SUPPLIED

  

  
 

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