Katanadrol Feedback... Need some input?

[bla55]

Hey all,

Am just about to finish a run of Katanadrol v.2.

I ran it alongside with Dermacrine. Katanadrol was at 300/350/400/400/450/450.

Dermacrine steady basically at 6 pumps at day.

Also, would like to point out I was going through Lean Gains program, for a weight loss goal (+10 / -20) and did at least 30 minutes of fasted cardio 5 times a week, switching between HIIT and some lower intensity. Most of the days I did between 40 - 60 minutes of cardio though.

Other supps:

R-ALA
Chromium
DCP
Vit C
Adam Multi
Life Support
BCAA before fasted workouts and then throughout the morning until my first meal
Yohimbine every 3 hours before breaking fast
Caffeine
Garlic
Whey for after workouts

I had my macros basically at 35%carbs/45% protein/20%fat on workout days and 20%carbs/40%protein/40%fat on non workout days.

I still kept my DC training, 3x a week. I got significant gains on all my lifts, even though I was at a caloric deficit. But I got to say (mind you, I was barely doing cardio before I started Kata) I did not notice much of fat loss... My ab circumference actually went up, measurements also went up almost all around, scale weight went up... It almost felt like a bulk cycle rather than a weight loss cycle, and from my understanding Kata is supposed to be a pretty good cutter.

I wasn't expecting miracle loss, since it is only Kata, but I certainly wasn't expecting the scale to go up when I'm burning ~800 calories everyday at the gym and also keeping my calories below maintenance.

I went from ~13% to about 11.5% based on calipers... But that's also while putting on 6lbs.

All in all I guess it was a "decent" cycle, but for the quantity I was running and the usual properties of Kata, I was really hoping a lot more of a cut (still no 6 pack) rather than a bulk.

Comments and thoughts?

 

[hvactech]

you lost 2.5% bf and gained lean mass, sounds like a winner

 

[bla55]

you lost 2.5% bf and gained lean mass, sounds like a winner

Yeah, again, I wasn't mentioning the bottom line, but the "not as much fat loss as expected".

I wouldn't expect to gain some mass while doing as much cardio, so bonus there. But I would expect losing a lot more of fat, specially with a "cutting" compound and when I was below maintenance. That's my question, how come it ended up working more as a bulker than as a cutter. I still can't see a 6pack and would have thought that doing this much cardio, dropping the calories and taking this I would be able to by now.

 

[BlackGT99]

Perhaps you should have dropped your cals even further? At any rate, I'd say you had a successful cycle! 2.5% bf gone and you gained lean muscle. Typically you lose fat along with muscle doing intense cardio and eating below maintenance...

 

[hvactech]

im no expert but maybe your deficient wasnt as low as you needed to be, ive been reading up on katana for awhile and a few reported lean mass was gained while tryn to cut, def not a bad thing.

 

[MrMarc]

That's definitely a A+ in my books or in other words successful cycle!

 

[bla55]

Guess it's true... Will have to run just a plain cutter next then...

And I would have had a real hard time dropping cals further... I have been starving for the duration of the cycle and have even had a hard time maintaining as low as I did. If I had to drop further i would probably have gone crazy.

Will maintain cardio and BCAAs and perhaps add a lean extreme. Perhaps also the erase I'm running on PCT will help dry it all out.

 

[MrMarc]

Here some tips for next time.

Calories 500 below maintenance, then each week a steady 50-100 cal drop and then figure out if the calories you are at are working etc or satisfied.

Sprints 3x a week, better then your regular cardio.

Carb cycling.

 

[bla55]

Here some tips for next time.

Calories 500 below maintenance, then each week a steady 50-100 cal drop and then figure out if the calories you are at are working etc or satisfied.

Sprints 3x a week, better then your regular cardio.

Carb cycling.

Did all of the above, pretty much to the tee, only difference is I didn't go 500 under, I went 600 under, kept it there and + on the workout days. Carb cycled as it was Intermittent fasting too.

Sprints were done 3x a week, low intensity done 2x a week, all fasted.