Testosterone Enanthate - considering using for first cycle ever

[ohaithere]

I am just trying to do my research and want to weigh all my options before I do or do not choose to ride the bike.

I am 31 years old and have been lifting off and on for 15 years. I used every fat burner under the sun about 10 years ago, and have used several pre workouts the past few years. My favorite is Animal Pump because I can dump half the stims out or not take them at all. I also use Xtend during my workouts.

Although these products seem to work slightly, I would like to consider the real thing.

Assuming I have a clean diet and train hard 5-7 days a week, I believe this would be a good choice of steroid.

I have been told that I should train hard for 6 months and lose a lot of fat first, then start a cycle, but I have seen a guy go from fat to fit in 4 months on this stuff, so I know it can be done.

I'm trying to do this the safest way on my body with the best results considering safety. I would like to use the Test E to help me lose fat while gaining muscle on a cut over 16 weeks.

I know a guy who has had great results and that's the main reason I am considering this type.

This is the plan I have come up with so far:

600mg/week
2 shots/week (say Mon and Thurs)
Each ml has 400mg. 3/4 ml each shot.
with Life Support for liver/blood pressure maintenance

then start PCT 2 weeks post cycle and use Clomid, or would you suggest Nolvadex too or instead?


Am I missing anything? Mods, I promise not to keep making threads, but felt like this one was necessary.

and Gerbil, I have and will take your advice into account, I would just like a few more opinions.

Thanks in advance guys!

[gotta get big]

Do it up man. Suggestions: use Nolva, have an ai on hand, kick start pct with hcg and run an ph/ps first 4 weeks. Pretty simple.

[ohaithere]

Do it up man. Suggestions: use Nolva, have an ai on hand, kick start pct with hcg and run an ph/ps first 4 weeks. Pretty simple.

Hcg? Ph/ps? First 4 weeks of cycle ?

[iSeth]

Hcg? Ph/ps? First 4 weeks of cycle ?

either run a prohormone like Super-Drol or actually just do some D-Bol @ 40mg/ED for first 4 weeks. Id run the Test at 500mg a week. You dont want to run to much to soon. When you first ride a motorcycle would it be better to ride a Ninja 250 or a Hayabusa 1400

[Rippee2]

Clomid and nolva are from the 1980's. I use post cycle unleashesed which restores natty, shbg.

Def no on nolva for me! Nolva can also cause ed. U only need nolva if gyno shows.

If trying to loose fat and keep muscle thats in ur diet u need to be eating every 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour divided to 6 meals a day.

You need cardio fasted is best in am when gh is the highest.

Dosage is too high imo id run 250-300 ah week max

Test prop is best due to low h2o retention.

Id run Test Prop eod @ 100mg would level to 350mg ah week.

01-10 100mg prop eod
02-5 hcg 125x 2 e4d
8-10 hcg 125x2 e4d
Forma 02-11

11-16 pct and unleashed

9000mg krill oil
1000mg vit c
1000mg of b12 one shot ah week
1000mg grape seed extract a day
500-1000mg ah day of forkillin

1000mg of b3 non flush ed b4 workout

Theres more but imo this is how mine would look

[EasyEJL]

Each ml has 400mg. 3/4 ml each shot.

Am I missing anything? Mods, I promise not to keep making threads, but felt like this one was necessary.

make sure you keep plenty of ibuprofen around, 400mg/ml gear is painful.

[ohaithere]

either run a prohormone like Super-Drol or actually just do some D-Bol @ 40mg/ED for first 4 weeks. Id run the Test at 500mg a week. You dont want to run to much to soon. When you first ride a motorcycle would it be better to ride a Ninja 250 or a Hayabusa 1400

So if I do 16 weeks, you're saying only run D-Bol the first 4 weeks, then use the test the remaining 12?

Clomid and nolva are from the 1980's. I use post cycle unleashesed which restores natty, shbg.

Def no on nolva for me! Nolva can also cause ed. U only need nolva if gyno shows.

If trying to loose fat and keep muscle thats in ur diet u need to be eating every 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour divided to 6 meals a day.

You need cardio fasted is best in am when gh is the highest.

Dosage is too high imo id run 250-300 ah week max

Test prop is best due to low h2o retention.

Id run Test Prop eod @ 100mg would level to 350mg ah week.

01-10 100mg prop eod
02-5 hcg 125x 2 e4d
8-10 hcg 125x2 e4d
Forma 02-11

11-16 pct and unleashed

9000mg krill oil
1000mg vit c
1000mg of b12 one shot ah week
1000mg grape seed extract a day
500-1000mg ah day of forkillin

1000mg of b3 non flush ed b4 workout

Theres more but imo this is how mine would look

shbg? So you're saying test prop is better for a cut? and I'm sorry, but half of the stuff you wrote makes absolutely no sense to me. Its like reading another language :/

make sure you keep plenty of ibuprofen around, 400mg/ml gear is painful.

Can you describe what you mean? How is it painful?

[EasyEJL]

Can you describe what you mean? How is it painful?

painful is painful. you'll definitely experience soreness to a varying degree in whatever spot you inject, and anywhere from a 1-5 inch radius from the spot. 400mg/ml is a heavy concentration, so it has high solvent levels which cause some localized muscle tissue dryness as the body deals with that, then theres some amount of as the solvents are dissolved the testosterone recrystalizing out inside the muscle tissue which is also painful. Don't inject a calf, bicep or tricep and expect to be able to use them.

[ManBeast]

LoL! I'm glad you finally got what you wanted...

Where the f*ck do I begin? Never used roids, feel like I'm reading Arabic

ManBeast

[Gerbil]

You are a moron who asks for advice then ignores every word of it. On top of this you have zero dedication to fitness or work. You think that anabolics will magically make you strong and lean.

[ohaithere]

painful is painful. you'll definitely experience soreness to a varying degree in whatever spot you inject, and anywhere from a 1-5 inch radius from the spot. 400mg/ml is a heavy concentration, so it has high solvent levels which cause some localized muscle tissue dryness as the body deals with that, then theres some amount of as the solvents are dissolved the testosterone recrystalizing out inside the muscle tissue which is also painful. Don't inject a calf, bicep or tricep and expect to be able to use them.

ouch, sounds like a giant spider bite. what concentration would you recommend?

[ohaithere]

You are a moron who asks for advice then ignores every word of it. On top of this you have zero dedication to fitness or work. You think that anabolics will magically make you strong and lean.

I didn't see Test E on that chart you sent me. This is a forum, why am I not allowed to ask for a second opinion? Why can't I do my research now so that when I'm ready I will know what to take? I am already strong, but I want to be lean. I know how to get lean, but even after my most successful and long term diets, I still lower had belly and love handle fat.

[EasyEJL]

I know how to get lean, but even after my most successful and long term diets, I still lower had belly and love handle fat.

Then you don't know how to get lean. You continue on with ether diet. Steroids won't change that.

And 200Mg/ml is standard pharmaceutical dose.

[ohaithere]

Then you don't know how to get lean. You continue on with ether diet. Steroids won't change that.

And 200Mg/ml is standard pharmaceutical dose.

But steroids will make you build muscle faster, which in turn will help you burn calories and fat faster, no?

[EasyEJL]

But steroids will make you build muscle faster, which in turn will help you burn calories and fat faster, no?

In the end, no not really.

[ISU152]

Hcg? Ph/ps? First 4 weeks of cycle ?

If your'e asking questions like this....you're not ready. Not being a dick just saying you need to 1)train more consistently for a few years 2)learn more 3)eat better 4) learn more

[machorox123]

I didn't see Test E on that chart you sent me. This is a forum, why am I not allowed to ask for a second opinion? Why can't I do my research now so that when I'm ready I will know what to take? I am already strong, but I want to be lean. I know how to get lean, but even after my most successful and long term diets, I still lower had belly and love handle fat.

ur 5'9" 270lbs.. If yu had a decent bf percentage yu could be a BB.. That tells me yu have a high number bf..your doomed to fail even you do everything correctly for a cycle and get a lil leaner. If yu don't have the discipline to keep your bf lower and yu can somehow manage to eat right for a few months you will most likely just get fat again a few months later

[ohaithere]

ur 5'9" 270lbs.. If yu had a decent bf percentage yu could be a BB.. That tells me yu have a high number bf..your doomed to fail even you do everything correctly for a cycle and get a lil leaner. If yu don't have the discipline to keep your bf lower and yu can somehow manage to eat right for a few months you will most likely just get fat again a few months later

love the positive feedback from you guys!

I haven't always been this heavy. This is the heaviest Ive ever been. I had a rough year last year with a bad job and my grandma died, and I'm trying to make a fresh start. I know some guys that use roids to cut, and thats why Im here. and Ive heard mixed reviews. I'm just trying to get more feedback.

[thehulk2203]

love the positive feedback from you guys!

I haven't always been this heavy. This is the heaviest Ive ever been. I had a rough year last year with a bad job and my grandma died, and I'm trying to make a fresh start. I know some guys that use roids to cut, and thats why Im here. and Ive heard mixed reviews. I'm just trying to get more feedback.

Well you are on this forum to learn right? These guys are trying to help you to many risk factorys with your bf being that high so like everyone has been saying diet correctly and get your bf lower first.

[David Dunn]

love the positive feedback from you guys!

I haven't always been this heavy. This is the heaviest Ive ever been. I had a rough year last year with a bad job and my grandma died, and I'm trying to make a fresh start. I know some guys that use roids to cut, and thats why Im here. and Ive heard mixed reviews. I'm just trying to get more feedback.

Eat right, lift regularly and get on the treadmill a lot. No need for steroids in the shape you are in.

Seriously, I see SO many guys in your shape using all kinds of stuff on these boards and all they really need is to do just as I advise and they will very easily achieve excellent results.

2 lbs/week for 16 weeks and you are down 32lbs drug free. When you get down to 220-230lb (depending upon your lbm, which I gather may be minimal for your overall bw considering your recent discipline or lack thereof) then talk supplements and maybe anabolics. Otherwise you are simply wasting your money and unnecessarily risking your health.