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    well, my RDI is around 2600 calories, and I assume you mean like 40 carbs/40 protein/ 20 fat?[/QUOTE So how many calories do you ingest in a day if you should only be taking in 2600? If that is what you take in and your not losing weight, you def need to have your thyroid checked bro
    lol, right now I am taking in 5000-6000 cals a day if not more.

    thats the RDI I need to maintain my weight, but I have been gaining weight.

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    lol, right now I am taking in 5000-6000 cals a day if not more.

    thats the RDI I need to maintain my weight, but I have been gaining weight.
    Answer is simple. Drink more water! Cut out the junk carbs and saturated fat. You want to transform your body? Make it happen.Discipline!,!!
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    Answer is simple. Drink more water! Cut out the junk carbs and saturated fat. You want to transform your body? Make it happen.Discipline!,!!
    No the answer is not that.He will need some saturated fat for proper hormonal processes.

    The answer for the OP is to lower kcal until he finds his maintenance.When he has found that he should ellicit a deficit of 500-1000 depedning on how much muscle he is willing to lose.Hell when he gets to 20% bodyfat he could even run a PH cycle to get rid of some of his fat and get him down to 12-15% depending on how aggressive his diet is.


    Junk carbs and sat fat will make no difference if his overall kcal is higher than he burns.
    Its total caloric and macronutrient balance that determines weight gain or weight loss.


    I would stay go to 4500kcal.If your still gaining go to 4000kcal if your still gaining go to 3500 kcal and so on and so forth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roniboney View Post
    No the answer is not that.He will need some saturated fat for proper hormonal processes.

    The answer for the OP is to lower kcal until he finds his maintenance.When he has found that he should ellicit a deficit of 500-1000 depedning on how much muscle he is willing to lose.Hell when he gets to 20% bodyfat he could even run a PH cycle to get rid of some of his fat and get him down to 12-15% depending on how aggressive his diet is.


    Junk carbs and sat fat will make no difference if his overall kcal is higher than he burns.
    Its total caloric and macronutrient balance that determines weight gain or weight loss.


    I would stay go to 4500kcal.If your still gaining go to 4000kcal if your still gaining go to 3500 kcal and so on and so forth
    Overall as far as macros go, the way to really look at them is through using science.

    Protein - you can definitely maintain muscle on somewhere between .6-.8g/lb. And since that number is generated from athletes, given what their lean mass is like vs fat you can probably base it on more like your ideal weight. Still, using .8x270 even gives you a baseline of 216g of protein or 162g at .6. Also mind you that for that amount I have a deep preference to use just whole foods to hit that. If you feel like you need/want more protein, then getting it from shakes is fine, but try to reach at least that 162g from solid whole foods.

    Carbohydrates - there is no floor on carbohydrates, as direct intake of carbohydrates is not essential to any bodily process. It may be useful for endurance activities and even for the feeling of recovery, but doesn't particularly have a health impact.

    Fats - fats are necessary for a number of bodily processes. The problematic part is that with the outright lies and terrible studies that were generated in the 40s that the American Heart Association used as their platform for heart health, the USRDA for fats is below optimal health levels. Not many new studies are done on fat intake levels as in many universities bringing up higher fat lower carbohydrate diets is close to bringing up creationism in terms of how its treated. Overally I would recommend at least 60g a day of healthy fats.

    I'd assume that your 2600 calories is for moderately or lightly active? you'd have to consider that exercise adds to the caloric need. I'd agree with picking a spot lower than you are at now, but not trying to crash down cutting your calories in half in one week. Start learning how to fit healthier cleaner eating into your daily life and make it habitual while slowly cranking calories down.

    so beyond what I mention as minimal threshholds above, where your calories come from isn't too critical so long as the majority come from non or minimally processed foods. Sugar is highly processed, white rice, white bread, etc are highly processed. But honey isn't, fruits arent, nuts aren't, and so forth. The % ratio is almost irrelevant, its just a simple guide.

    The main reason for cranking calories down slowly is that lipolysis only allows so much in fatty acids from your fat cells to be released into the bloodstream to be used as fuel in a given span of time. Even with steroids and other chemistry experiments i'd say its near impossible to hit even 4lbs of actual fat lost per week. Sure the first week you'll see high losses, but a lot will be from held water weight, some will be from just lower food still in intestinal tract, some fat, and some muscle. but the high rates aren't maintained much past that without also losing muscle.
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    With the chick-a-fil, I'm not sure how they are prepared (baked, fried, grilled?) but if they are grilled/baked, you can always just chuck the bun, or half the bun, and order it lite mayo. Fast food is rarely the best answer, but there are often ways to make it better for you. With Pizza though you really are just looking at a box full of trouble lol.

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    [QUOTE=Roniboney;3246859]
    Quote Originally Posted by Chimaera View Post

    No the answer is not that.He will need some saturated fat for proper hormonal processes.

    The answer for the OP is to lower kcal until he finds his maintenance.When he has found that he should ellicit a deficit of 500-1000 depedning on how much muscle he is willing to lose.Hell when he gets to 20% bodyfat he could even run a PH cycle to get rid of some of his fat and get him down to 12-15% depending on how aggressive his diet is.


    Junk carbs and sat fat will make no difference if his overall kcal is higher than he burns.
    Its total caloric and macronutrient balance that determines weight gain or weight loss.


    I would stay go to 4500kcal.If your still gaining go to 4000kcal if your still gaining go to 3500 kcal and so on and so forth
    thanks man. what ph cycle would you recommend? just curious.

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    Overall as far as macros go, the way to really look at them is through using science.

    Protein - you can definitely maintain muscle on somewhere between .6-.8g/lb. And since that number is generated from athletes, given what their lean mass is like vs fat you can probably base it on more like your ideal weight. Still, using .8x270 even gives you a baseline of 216g of protein or 162g at .6. Also mind you that for that amount I have a deep preference to use just whole foods to hit that. If you feel like you need/want more protein, then getting it from shakes is fine, but try to reach at least that 162g from solid whole foods.

    Carbohydrates - there is no floor on carbohydrates, as direct intake of carbohydrates is not essential to any bodily process. It may be useful for endurance activities and even for the feeling of recovery, but doesn't particularly have a health impact.

    Fats - fats are necessary for a number of bodily processes. The problematic part is that with the outright lies and terrible studies that were generated in the 40s that the American Heart Association used as their platform for heart health, the USRDA for fats is below optimal health levels. Not many new studies are done on fat intake levels as in many universities bringing up higher fat lower carbohydrate diets is close to bringing up creationism in terms of how its treated. Overally I would recommend at least 60g a day of healthy fats.

    I'd assume that your 2600 calories is for moderately or lightly active? you'd have to consider that exercise adds to the caloric need. I'd agree with picking a spot lower than you are at now, but not trying to crash down cutting your calories in half in one week. Start learning how to fit healthier cleaner eating into your daily life and make it habitual while slowly cranking calories down.

    so beyond what I mention as minimal threshholds above, where your calories come from isn't too critical so long as the majority come from non or minimally processed foods. Sugar is highly processed, white rice, white bread, etc are highly processed. But honey isn't, fruits arent, nuts aren't, and so forth. The % ratio is almost irrelevant, its just a simple guide.

    The main reason for cranking calories down slowly is that lipolysis only allows so much in fatty acids from your fat cells to be released into the bloodstream to be used as fuel in a given span of time. Even with steroids and other chemistry experiments i'd say its near impossible to hit even 4lbs of actual fat lost per week. Sure the first week you'll see high losses, but a lot will be from held water weight, some will be from just lower food still in intestinal tract, some fat, and some muscle. but the high rates aren't maintained much past that without also losing muscle.
    so you're saying there is no need to make dramatic calorie cuts, just slowly lower my cals. I thought carbs were important for brain functions tho. I know I get really grumpy when I am carb deprived. I will eat brown rice, low sugar oatmeal, and beans.

    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    With the chick-a-fil, I'm not sure how they are prepared (baked, fried, grilled?) but if they are grilled/baked, you can always just chuck the bun, or half the bun, and order it lite mayo. Fast food is rarely the best answer, but there are often ways to make it better for you. With Pizza though you really are just looking at a box full of trouble lol.

    ManBeast
    the fried sandwiches are so good, but so bad for you. I am going to get them grilled with a wheat bun from now on. and pizza is a mother****er.
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    Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again. ANY succesful program is the following:
    80% Diet
    15% Training (including proper rest).
    5% Goodies.

    Any suppliment is just an edge once the others are dialed in but still stalling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohaithere View Post
    so you're saying there is no need to make dramatic calorie cuts, just slowly lower my cals. I thought carbs were important for brain functions tho. I know I get really grumpy when I am carb deprived. I will eat brown rice, low sugar oatmeal, and beans.
    making dramatic cuts tends to lead to a dramatic failure to lose any more weight by week 3-4 of the diet, as your body has adapted to the relative starvation its in. Slowly lowering the calories helps to avoid that as your body never can quite reach homeostasis. Also it helps make it easier to build the long term habits so that you don't get back into this situation again. I was there, at 39 I was almost 250 lbs and over 40% bodyfat not having been in a gym since high school and eating terribly. Today at 44 i'm roughly 200lbs at somewhere near 11-12% bodyfat. And what I really found was that trying to make those huge changes saps motivation so easily and then leads to you abandoning what you are doing.

    So far as carbs being important for brain function, its not really true. Definitely for someone who has insulin sensitivity issues from being obese and eating too much in carbs + sugar your mood can take a beating when you drop out carbs entirely. But thats not a case of the carbs being important themselves, but of your body being so out of whack with how it should be that it responds badly to losing the carbs. I was the same way when I started, you could tell how much in carbs I had taken in that day by how irritable I was. Today, I can take in 400g of carbs in a day, or 10g of carbs in a day and it doesn't have that affect. The sources you mention are good, instead of low sugar oatmeal get raw oats and use stevia to sweeten them. Whole fruits are another decent choice, particularly bananas.

    And as you clip calories down (i'd suggest dropping by 500-750 calories every 3-4 weeks) you can allow yourself 1 open meal a week. Eat whatever you want that meal. That way you can still have a meal with family, go out with friends to have pizza and beer or whatever. Not only does it avoid you becoming moodier and withdrawn from not being able to participate in social events, but also helps restore leptin levels which go down as you diet below maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohaithere View Post

    making dramatic cuts tends to lead to a dramatic failure to lose any more weight by week 3-4 of the diet, as your body has adapted to the relative starvation its in. Slowly lowering the calories helps to avoid that as your body never can quite reach homeostasis. Also it helps make it easier to build the long term habits so that you don't get back into this situation again. I was there, at 39 I was almost 250 lbs and over 40% bodyfat not having been in a gym since high school and eating terribly. Today at 44 i'm roughly 200lbs at somewhere near 11-12% bodyfat. And what I really found was that trying to make those huge changes saps motivation so easily and then leads to you abandoning what you are doing.

    So far as carbs being important for brain function, its not really true. Definitely for someone who has insulin sensitivity issues from being obese and eating too much in carbs + sugar your mood can take a beating when you drop out carbs entirely. But thats not a case of the carbs being important themselves, but of your body being so out of whack with how it should be that it responds badly to losing the carbs. I was the same way when I started, you could tell how much in carbs I had taken in that day by how irritable I was. Today, I can take in 400g of carbs in a day, or 10g of carbs in a day and it doesn't have that affect. The sources you mention are good, instead of low sugar oatmeal get raw oats and use stevia to sweeten them. Whole fruits are another decent choice, particularly bananas.

    And as you clip calories down (i'd suggest dropping by 500-750 calories every 3-4 weeks) you can allow yourself 1 open meal a week. Eat whatever you want that meal. That way you can still have a meal with family, go out with friends to have pizza and beer or whatever. Not only does it avoid you becoming moodier and withdrawn from not being able to participate in social events, but also helps restore leptin levels which go down as you diet below maintenance.
    Dude you quoted me and I never typed that.That was the OP that typed what you replied to.
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    yeah, I didn't pay attention to the already broken quote from his post (if you look at it at the top)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, I didn't pay attention to the already broken quote from his post (if you look at it at the top)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again. ANY succesful program is the following:
    80% Diet
    15% Training (including proper rest).
    5% Goodies.

    Any suppliment is just an edge once the others are dialed in but still stalling.
    How do you feel about cheese on a cut? it's the hardest thing for me to avoid. also, how do you feel about melatonin to help sleep?

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    making dramatic cuts tends to lead to a dramatic failure to lose any more weight by week 3-4 of the diet, as your body has adapted to the relative starvation its in. Slowly lowering the calories helps to avoid that as your body never can quite reach homeostasis. Also it helps make it easier to build the long term habits so that you don't get back into this situation again. I was there, at 39 I was almost 250 lbs and over 40% bodyfat not having been in a gym since high school and eating terribly. Today at 44 i'm roughly 200lbs at somewhere near 11-12% bodyfat. And what I really found was that trying to make those huge changes saps motivation so easily and then leads to you abandoning what you are doing.

    So far as carbs being important for brain function, its not really true. Definitely for someone who has insulin sensitivity issues from being obese and eating too much in carbs + sugar your mood can take a beating when you drop out carbs entirely. But thats not a case of the carbs being important themselves, but of your body being so out of whack with how it should be that it responds badly to losing the carbs. I was the same way when I started, you could tell how much in carbs I had taken in that day by how irritable I was. Today, I can take in 400g of carbs in a day, or 10g of carbs in a day and it doesn't have that affect. The sources you mention are good, instead of low sugar oatmeal get raw oats and use stevia to sweeten them. Whole fruits are another decent choice, particularly bananas.

    And as you clip calories down (i'd suggest dropping by 500-750 calories every 3-4 weeks) you can allow yourself 1 open meal a week. Eat whatever you want that meal. That way you can still have a meal with family, go out with friends to have pizza and beer or whatever. Not only does it avoid you becoming moodier and withdrawn from not being able to participate in social events, but also helps restore leptin levels which go down as you diet below maintenance.
    damn man, good for you! I want to be in your shape at your age too. my fear is that if I allow myself to eat "any" meal, I eat a whole large pizza with extra sauce, cheese, and pepperoni and drink a 44oz coke. and then it tempts me to eat another cheat meal, and then its a downward spiral
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    part-skim mozzerallea is ok in moderation IMHO, but realistically, that is about it cheese-wise unless you fully commit to a proper ketogenic style diet.

    melatonin is ok as long as its not constantly used in high-doses IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohaithere View Post
    damn man, good for you! I want to be in your shape at your age too. my fear is that if I allow myself to eat "any" meal, I eat a whole large pizza with extra sauce, cheese, and pepperoni and drink a 44oz coke. and then it tempts me to eat another cheat meal, and then its a downward spiral
    A lot of people get into that mindset, but don't think you've failed just because you slipped up for one meal. It's what you eat 90% of the time that matters in the long run.

    Messing up once and eating a cheat meal and then thinking "Well I've already failed today I might as well just say screw it and pig out" is like dropping your cell phone on the ground and then being like "Well I've already dropped it, I might as well curb stomp it and smash it into oblivion now" lol. That kind of thinking is unproductive and not reasonable.

    Anyway, we all slip up. Don't think that you've failed because of a slip-up. Just start again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohaithere View Post
    damn man, good for you! I want to be in your shape at your age too. my fear is that if I allow myself to eat "any" meal, I eat a whole large pizza with extra sauce, cheese, and pepperoni and drink a 44oz coke. and then it tempts me to eat another cheat meal, and then its a downward spiral
    your body doesn't respond significantly to a single meal's increase in calories. your bodily storage systems don't work that way. If your maintenance is 2500 calories a day, and you take in 6000 in one day, you don't add a pound of fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    part-skim mozzerallea is ok in moderation IMHO, but realistically, that is about it cheese-wise unless you fully commit to a proper ketogenic style diet.

    melatonin is ok as long as its not constantly used in high-doses IMHO.

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    why is cheese bad? because it's loaded in calories and saturated fat? Hard to digest? do you have a link to a proper keto diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny784 View Post
    A lot of people get into that mindset, but don't think you've failed just because you slipped up for one meal. It's what you eat 90% of the time that matters in the long run.

    Messing up once and eating a cheat meal and then thinking "Well I've already failed today I might as well just say screw it and pig out" is like dropping your cell phone on the ground and then being like "Well I've already dropped it, I might as well curb stomp it and smash it into oblivion now" lol. That kind of thinking is unproductive and not reasonable.

    Anyway, we all slip up. Don't think that you've failed because of a slip-up. Just start again.
    lol thats a good analogy. I'll have to remember that!

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    your body doesn't respond significantly to a single meal's increase in calories. your bodily storage systems don't work that way. If your maintenance is 2500 calories a day, and you take in 6000 in one day, you don't add a pound of fat.
    cool to know.
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    Creatine on a cut/diet?


    Specifically talking about a preworkout like Animal Pump or Superpump 250

    I have always wondered if taking creatine is a yay or nay when trying to lose fat.

    My assumption is that is is good because it makes you gain strength/muscle which allows you to burn more fat, but doesnt it make you retain water, resulting in slower lbs coming off the scale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    part-skim mozzerallea is ok in moderation IMHO, but realistically, that is about it cheese-wise unless you fully commit to a proper ketogenic style diet.

    melatonin is ok as long as its not constantly used in high-doses IMHO.

    ManBeast

    I don't think there will be any bad results if he includes cheese in his diet if he needs to.Diets do not need to be 100% Clean as people say it.Food is food is food.
    Like I have stated total caloric expenditure will determine weight loss in the long run.I do suggest eating 90% clean and 10% whatever you want.

    OP have your cheese just remember to watch that level of saturated fat.It should be no more than 1/4 of your fat macro make-up.
    Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

    Look up IIFYM on google.I don't agree with it completely but it works.If you deprive yourself from cheese as,from what you have stated, its your vice ,you're going to fail.Adherence to diet is so important.I see it everyday.Being too strict oftentimes doesn't work
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roniboney View Post
    I don't think there will be any bad results if he includes cheese in his diet if he needs to.Diets do not need to be 100% Clean as people say it.Food is food is food.
    Like I have stated total caloric expenditure will determine weight loss in the long run.I do suggest eating 90% clean and 10% whatever you want.

    OP have your cheese just remember to watch that level of saturated fat.It should be no more than 1/4 of your fat macro make-up.
    Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

    Look up IIFYM on google.I don't agree with it completely but it works.If you deprive yourself from cheese as,from what you have stated, its your vice ,you're going to fail.Adherence to diet is so important.I see it everyday.Being too strict oftentimes doesn't work


    cool, that makes sense. I will continue to use it sparingly on broccoli and eggs and salads.
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    Just got done with a good workout and a clean day of eating. Can't believe I let myself go so far. It's ****ing daunting knowing how far I have to go. Just can't wait till I get under 250 and feel like a human being again.
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    You'll make it! Don't ya feel better overall eating clean? I know when I get junk crap on a cheat day instead of my usual sushi, i feel "meh" for lack of a better term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    You'll make it! Don't ya feel better overall eating clean? I know when I get junk crap on a cheat day instead of my usual sushi, i feel "meh" for lack of a better term.

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    Theres a lot of ****ty information being thrown around in here, to point out one that was absolutely mind blowing was the idiot who said to not use Nolva+clomid as PCT, BECAUSE THEYRE FROM THE 80'S. And use some OTC bull****. Honestly who ever posted that needs to stop posting.


    Physically its been gone over a million times in this thread, you need to lose weight first...a lot. The sides will be much more pronounced with high BF etc etc.
    500mg will be plenty for your first cycle, I'd def have a AI on hand and use it probably more than the average person since your sides will be more pronounced, probably .5mg adex EOD or E3D, youll be able to figure out what works best for you.
    PCT should be 20/20/20/10 nolva and 100/50/50/50 for clomid, and you should recover perfectly fine.

    But you mention your personal problems and **** etc. I hope you know gear isnt going to make you a more happy person, a lot of people think it will but it wont, figure out your own personal **** as to why you arent happy first. People dont realize how mentally addicting it can be also, you use once and you keep wanting to use, and eventually more and harder **** and for some people it really ****s with them mentally especially if you start to abuse the **** and when you get into tren, so respect the gear. Treat yourself with a cycle of test when you get your BF sorted out and maybe personal things sorted out too, gear is a privilege.
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    Oh thank you Steroid Messiah thank you!



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    Quote Originally Posted by handcannon7
    Theres a lot of ****ty information being thrown around in here, to point out one that was absolutely mind blowing was the idiot who said to not use Nolva+clomid as PCT, BECAUSE THEYRE FROM THE 80'S. And use some OTC bull****. Honestly who ever posted that needs to stop posting.

    Physically its been gone over a million times in this thread, you need to lose weight first...a lot. The sides will be much more pronounced with high BF etc etc.
    500mg will be plenty for your first cycle, I'd def have a AI on hand and use it probably more than the average person since your sides will be more pronounced, probably .5mg adex EOD or E3D, youll be able to figure out what works best for you.
    PCT should be 20/20/20/10 nolva and 100/50/50/50 for clomid, and you should recover perfectly fine.

    But you mention your personal problems and **** etc. I hope you know gear isnt going to make you a more happy person, a lot of people think it will but it wont, figure out your own personal **** as to why you arent happy first. People dont realize how mentally addicting it can be also, you use once and you keep wanting to use, and eventually more and harder **** and for some people it really ****s with them mentally especially if you start to abuse the **** and when you get into tren, so respect the gear. Treat yourself with a cycle of test when you get your BF sorted out and maybe personal things sorted out too, gear is a privilege.
    In before Age 18, because I just single handily put out the best answer in the thread.
    The don't use nolva and clomid since they are from the 80's takes first prize for worst post of the thread.....but your self pat on the back rant takes a close 2nd
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Oh thank you Steroid Messiah thank you!



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    Appreciate the sarcasm bro, as if the mental part of steroid use isn't overlooked most of the time by new users, I know you think you're the steroid God of this board and the only info people should listen is yours but drop the ego.
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    The fact that you came in and proclaimed your post the best in here is just utter ridiculous crap. If you had searched for the OPs two other major threads on here, you would have seen that we had been attempting to steer him away from gear for a while, but no, you just come in making a blanket statement that you are "teh awesomes" and made the best post in all the thread... check yer ego at the door "bro"

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    whats going on here.Internet police
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    The fact that you came in and proclaimed your post the best in here is just utter ridiculous crap. If you had searched for the OPs two other major threads on here, you would have seen that we had been attempting to steer him away from gear for a while, but no, you just come in making a blanket statement that you are "teh awesomes" and made the best post in all the thread... check yer ego at the door "bro"

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    after reading some of the worst advice on the first I've ever seen on the first page, which seems to be a recurring theme for a lot members in the anabolics section yes, I deemed it the best post. But I still stand by my post because everyone was posting how he's not ready physically but not mentally, that **** is always overlooked until someone says they're using tren and then the obligatory anger issues come up, when there's still more to tren than just tren rage.
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    so you read page one and posted? And if you think the "no serm PCT" is de-facto standard around here, I suggest you do more reading around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    so you read page one and posted? And if you think the "no serm PCT" is de-facto standard around here, I suggest you do more reading around.

    ManBeast
    No not about serms specifically but there is a lot of **** I see being run where I'm kind of like why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by handcannon7
    No not about serms specifically but there is a lot of **** I see being run where I'm kind of like why...
    Oh so you are the overseer of all things anabolic....and only the cycles that make sense to you should be run....and any new or different ideas are for shyt??? PFFFFFFFFFT!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by handcannon7 View Post
    Theres a lot of ****ty information being thrown around in here, to point out one that was absolutely mind blowing was the idiot who said to not use Nolva+clomid as PCT, BECAUSE THEYRE FROM THE 80'S. And use some OTC bull****. Honestly who ever posted that needs to stop posting.


    Physically its been gone over a million times in this thread, you need to lose weight first...a lot. The sides will be much more pronounced with high BF etc etc.
    500mg will be plenty for your first cycle, I'd def have a AI on hand and use it probably more than the average person since your sides will be more pronounced, probably .5mg adex EOD or E3D, youll be able to figure out what works best for you.
    PCT should be 20/20/20/10 nolva and 100/50/50/50 for clomid, and you should recover perfectly fine.

    But you mention your personal problems and **** etc. I hope you know gear isnt going to make you a more happy person, a lot of people think it will but it wont, figure out your own personal **** as to why you arent happy first. People dont realize how mentally addicting it can be also, you use once and you keep wanting to use, and eventually more and harder **** and for some people it really ****s with them mentally especially if you start to abuse the **** and when you get into tren, so respect the gear. Treat yourself with a cycle of test when you get your BF sorted out and maybe personal things sorted out too, gear is a privilege.
    In before Age 18, because I just single handily put out the best answer in the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    The don't use nolva and clomid since they are from the 80's takes first prize for worst post of the thread.....but your self pat on the back rant takes a close 2nd

    I wish I had 50 posts, because if I did, I would post that gif of grandpa simpson walking in the door and putting his hat on the coat hanger lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Oh so you are the overseer of all things anabolic....and only the cycles that make sense to you should be run....and any new or different ideas are for shyt??? PFFFFFFFFFT!!!!!!!!!!
    If that's the way you'd like to take it.
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    Why are we still posting helpful advice and bickering at each other? ohaithere will obviously not pay any mind to it and do what ever he wants, even though he doesn't need any help besides diet and exercise. He has been urged against anabolics in 3 or 4 threads already, why do you think he will listen this time.
    Advice those who actually listen to it, not those who are looking for what they want to hear.

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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    I think he got it this time buddy we laid out the potential massive negative health issues that could arise from using steroids right now due to his body composition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    I think he got it this time buddy we laid out the potential massive negative health issues that could arise from using steroids right now due to his body composition.

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    this. sorry, Gerbil, I didn't mean to piss you off :/

    ManBeast, how do you feel about taking Animal Pump, Superpump 250, etc.. during a cut/diet?
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    As long as blood pressure is still in check doesnt matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by ohaithere View Post
    this. sorry, Gerbil, I didn't mean to piss you off :/

    ManBeast, how do you feel about taking Animal Pump, Superpump 250, etc.. during a cut/diet?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    Creatine can be useful if you are ok with some water retention in trade-off for the endurance (I like it), but I have no idea what the point behind a pump product is honestly.

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    Ohaithere you need to just eat a deficit nad train your ass off consistently until your where you need to be and then consider anabolics.

    The fact that you have made 4 threads about using is silly.Dude its not the way.I hope you understand that this is for your own good.You would regret it if you used simple as.

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