Testosterone Enanthate - considering using for first cycle ever

[ohaithere]

Well you are on this forum to learn right? These guys are trying to help you to many risk factorys with your bf being that high so like everyone has been saying diet correctly and get your bf lower first.

Ok, you are the first to say too many risk factors, and thats what I was worried about. What bf% do you think would be acceptable to start a cycle? <20%

Eat right, lift regularly and get on the treadmill a lot. No need for steroids in the shape you are in.

Seriously, I see SO many guys in your shape using all kinds of stuff on these boards and all they really need is to do just as I advise and they will very easily achieve excellent results.

2 lbs/week for 16 weeks and you are down 32lbs drug free. When you get down to 220-230lb (depending upon your lbm, which I gather may be minimal for your overall bw considering your recent discipline or lack thereof) then talk supplements and maybe anabolics. Otherwise you are simply wasting your money and unnecessarily risking your health.

what is lbm? and I appreciate the response.

[ManBeast]

bf % should be 15%-ish with a solid base before a cycle, the risks should have been somewhat obvious given the sides of any steroid cycle:

raised blood pressure: heavier/fatter people have higher blood pressure.
skewed lipid profile: again, heavier/fatter have worse lipids in general
estrogen sides: again fatter people tend to have more estrogen already, so they are more prone to gyno.

lbm lean body mass

ManBeast

[Gerbil]

Every pound of fat has 1 mile of blood capillaries, that is one more mile that your blood needs to move. Thus less fat much lower blood pressure.

[ohaithere]

Every pound of fat has 1 mile of blood capillaries, that is one more mile that your blood needs to move. Thus less fat much lower blood pressure.

Mind = blown.

Thanks for saving my life guys!

So mad at myself for letting myself get this big.

[Roniboney]

Ok, you are the first to say too many risk factors, and thats what I was worried about. What bf% do you think would be acceptable to start a cycle? <20%



what is lbm? and I appreciate the response.

Time to reconsider a cycle if you don't know what lbm means.

15% or lower for a cyclce.You can start it at 16-18% if you'd like but results will seem slower

[ohaithere]

Time to reconsider a cycle if you don't know what lbm means.

15% or lower for a cyclce.You can start it at 16-18% if you'd like but results will seem slower

Like I said, I'm just learning. I look pretty sexy at 18% bf, so I can't imagine 10% :P

[Chimaera]

I didn't see Test E on that chart you sent me. This is a forum, why am I not allowed to ask for a second opinion? Why can't I do my research now so that when I'm ready I will know what to take? I am already strong, but I want to be lean. I know how to get lean, but even after my most successful and long term diets, I still lower had belly and love handle fat.

Just curious, what are your macro nutrient ratios and when you go into the gym what are you doing first?(lifting then cardio or vise versa)

[Rippee2]

At 270 your probly more like 24%

Puts picks so we can better judge

[Chimaera]

Google how to measure body fat with calipers. Then go to (a major supplement store near you) and by some calipers. Have a friend measure you out and you will know roughly what your bf% are. Pics can be deceiving

[EasyEJL]

At 270 your probly more like 24%

Puts picks so we can better judge

At 270 + 5'9, i'd be pretty surprised if he was under 30%. even being at 40% would put him at 190 @ 15%, which is pretty decent sized.

[gotta get big]

Your diet must ne absolute sh*t to be that fat. You could lose the weight by eating right. Juice ain't magic, lrn2diet.

[Jethro52185]

Post some pics, it's entirely possible (while highly unlikely) that you are genetically predisposed to carry a larger amount of lean body mass than we all realize. nobody can advise you on the best course of action if we can't see any pics. On a side note, have you had a blood tests done to see just what levels you are actually at? This is a first and foremost to a cycle at your age and body weight. Forget speculation from everyone and get a blood panel done. You can then weigh your options and decide for yourself what suits you best. Only you can make that decision.

[Jonny784]

Start counting your calories and you'll lose fat. Maintain a daily deficit. That's all it takes for your situation. Eating "clean" isn't gonna do it. Track your calories daily and maintain a 500 to 1000 calorie daily deficit. I like to use the MyFitnessPal mobile app and a food scale.

Even if you're juicing or doing cardio everyday, without strict regulation of your nutrition and calories, you won't lose fat.

[Roniboney]

At 270 + 5'9, i'd be pretty surprised if he was under 30%. even being at 40% would put him at 190 @ 15%, which is pretty decent sized.

I have to agree he must be about 30% bodyfat to be 270 at 5'9.If he was 6 ft 1 or 2 then maybe 20% or so but at that height he is definately a big boy.

OP lose some of the weight first and re-evaluate from there.You may not need drugs you may like the way you look at a leaner bodyweight

[ohaithere]

At 270 your probly more like 24%

Puts picks so we can better judge

I can't post pics till I get 50 posts, but there is a pic on the first page of this thread. I am a little bigger than the heavy pic now http: //anabolicminds .com/forum/steroids/194134-help-i-am.html

Google how to measure body fat with calipers. Then go to (a major supplement store near you) and by some calipers. Have a friend measure you out and you will know roughly what your bf% are. Pics can be deceiving

At 270 + 5'9, i'd be pretty surprised if he was under 30%. even being at 40% would put him at 190 @ 15%, which is pretty decent sized.

I was 23% bf at 217 lbs if that means anything. Assuming I hold onto the muscle I have now, what bf% would I be at 200lbs?

Your diet must ne absolute sh*t to be that fat. You could lose the weight by eating right. Juice ain't magic, lrn2diet.

I'll be honest, it's been terrible for most of the past two years. This is the most depressed I have ever felt in my life. 31 years old, living with my dad (who doesn't work because he's lazy, he hasn't filed his taxes in 8 years and I am his only friend, my other 2 brothers don't talk to him) I got a degree from UF, but don't have a real job yet, worked 3 different dead end jobs the past 2 years since graduating college ,and want desperately to get a real job and my own place so I can have my own life. I even had 6 sessions with a psychologist and still managed to manipulate him and myself and slacked off on my diet and the gym. I wish I had a friend to train with, but all of my friends live 45 mins away. I know a personal trainer would be the best bet for me, but they are expensive. I have always gotten away with everything I have ever done, and never learned discipline, so I always revert to being a lazy sack of **** after dieting and working out for a few months. I have never been able to maintain a consistent workout and diet regimen for a year's time. Usually, the longest I can go without binging is 3-6 months. I lose 20 lbs then gain 30, and I have been doing this for the past 13 years or so, and that's why I'm a ****ing 270 lb whale right now.

Post some pics, it's entirely possible (while highly unlikely) that you are genetically predisposed to carry a larger amount of lean body mass than we all realize. nobody can advise you on the best course of action if we can't see any pics. On a side note, have you had a blood tests done to see just what levels you are actually at? This is a first and foremost to a cycle at your age and body weight. Forget speculation from everyone and get a blood panel done. You can then weigh your options and decide for yourself what suits you best. Only you can make that decision.

Check out the pic in the broken link I posted in this quote, it's on page 1 of that thread. I am 10 lbs heavier than the heavy pic now.

Start counting your calories and you'll lose fat. Maintain a daily deficit. That's all it takes for your situation. Eating "clean" isn't gonna do it. Track your calories daily and maintain a 500 to 1000 calorie daily deficit. I like to use the MyFitnessPal mobile app and a food scale.

Even if you're juicing or doing cardio everyday, without strict regulation of your nutrition and calories, you won't lose fat.

I do fine when I prepare my own food, my problem is that I have probably eaten over 100 large pizzas from Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Little Caesars, and Domino's the past year. Not to mention this girl that likes me is a Chick Fil A manager and gives me free coupons all the time. I really don't understand why I have let myself go this far. I mean, I know why, but there truly is no excuse. I've been working a lot the past year, very early in the morning and all of my friends live 45 mins to an hour away so I never see them during the week. I don't see anyone but my dad and his dog. and the saddest part - that makes me feel the worst - is when I get invited to do something on the weekend, but I feel so fat (like last night, I was going to meet up with this girl on her bday, and I couldn't find anything to wear because my entire wardrobe doesn't fit. I ended up wearing all black, and felt so ****ing fat all night that I was physically and mentally miserable. I have a really nice wardrobe, and I am an attractive guy, but I am completely wasting this aesthetic face and endomorph build(to pack on the muscle) and it's now or never. I want to be ripped and ****ing handsome when I'm 40 years old, banging 20 year olds, and that isn't going to happen unless I make some major changes in my life.

I have to agree he must be about 30% bodyfat to be 270 at 5'9.If he was 6 ft 1 or 2 then maybe 20% or so but at that height he is definately a big boy.

OP lose some of the weight first and re-evaluate from there.You may not need drugs you may like the way you look at a leaner bodyweight

My goal is to get down under 220 lbs, and then re-evaluate my body (with the help of this board)

I appreciate the feedback, even though I have received some negative feedback. Sometimes it's necessary to hear the truth, no matter how painful it can be.


/lifestory

[Chimaera]

I was 23% bf at 217 lbs if that means anything. Assuming I hold onto the muscle I have now, what bf% would I be at 200lbs?




If those numbers are accurate, you would be roughly 16.5% bf @200lbs. On the assumption you held muscle mass with your current weight of 270lbs, you would be around 39-40% bf bro. Do as everyone else suggests and mind your calories. If you have a smart phone, find a calorie counter on it and use it to keep track of everything you eat. It should give you you RDI of calories and track your macro nutrients.

[ohaithere]

I was 23% bf at 217 lbs if that means anything. Assuming I hold onto the muscle I have now, what bf% would I be at 200lbs?




If those numbers are accurate, you would be roughly 16.5% bf @200lbs. On the assumption you held muscle mass with your current weight of 270lbs, you would be around 39-40% bf bro. Do as everyone else suggests and mind your calories. If you have a smart phone, find a calorie counter on it and use it to keep track of everything you eat. It should give you you RDI of calories and track your macro nutrients.

What do you mean by RDI and macro nutrients?

[Chimaera]

What do you mean by RDI and macro nutrients?

RDI= Recommended Daily Intake(calories) Macro Nutrients= Total Fat, Carbs, and Proteins.

[ohaithere]

RDI= Recommended Daily Intake(calories) Macro Nutrients= Total Fat, Carbs, and Proteins.

well, my RDI is around 2600 calories, and I assume you mean like 40 carbs/40 protein/ 20 fat?

[Chimaera]

[QUOTE=ohaithere;3246814]well, my RDI is around 2600 calories, and I assume you mean like 40 carbs/40 protein/ 20 fat?[/QUOTE So how many calories do you ingest in a day if you should only be taking in 2600? If that is what you take in and your not losing weight, you def need to have your thyroid checked bro