Class I and II steroids, science fiction or real life impact ?

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    Class I and II steroids, science fiction or real life impact ?


    Dear fellows;

    I have been doing some research about possibly "stacks". According to Bill Robert, there are two classes of AAS : Class I and II (listed below).
    It is said that the best is to stack Class I and II, which yield to a synergy. It is also said that stacking 2 class I or 2 class II would lead to a "receptor competition" which yield to waste of compound, thus waste of effects.

    As we all are aware of, Designer Steroids are just steroids that are not classified as illegal yet. But none of you can argue about the fact that Superdrol is a 100% potent steroid . This phenomenon made me think that we can also classified PH's in those two categories, and I found this :




    Class I : binds to androgen receptor

    AAS :

    Trenbolone
    Oxandrolone
    Primobolan
    Masteron
    Nandrolone
    Boldenone

    PH's :

    Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
    Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
    Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone ) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
    Dienolone based - (again similar to tren ) - Mdien
    Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
    Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
    Testosterone
    DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

    Class II : Does not bind to androgen receptor

    AAS:

    Dianabol
    Anadrol
    Winstrol (possibly somewhat mixed)

    PH's

    Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based - Halodrol & Clones
    Dianabol (methandrostenolone ) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
    Winstrol (stanozolol ) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
    Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
    Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
    Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
    4-AD



    Mixed

    Testosterone
    Probably Oral Turinabol , but I haven't done adequate trials with it.





    . Now, here is the ratio anabolic / androgenic of compounds :


    Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic

    1-Testosterone --------------------------100------200
    Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone )--50------100
    Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
    Anadur (Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
    Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
    Anavar (Oxandrolone )-------------------24------322-630
    Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
    Andriol (Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
    Androderm(Testosterone )---------------100------100
    Androgel (Testosterone )------------------100------100
    Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
    Cheque Drops(Mibolerone )--------------1,800------4,100
    Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
    Deca -Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
    Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
    Dianabol (Methandrostenolone )-----------40-60------90-210
    Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
    Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
    Durabolin (NPP)----------------------------37------125
    Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate )---------37------125
    Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
    Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
    Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
    Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900
    Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
    Laurabolin (Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
    Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200
    Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate )-----25-40------62-130
    Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
    MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
    Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
    Methandriol(Mythelandrostenedi ol)-------30-60------20-60
    Methyl-1-Testosterone ---------------------100-220------910-1,600
    Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
    Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
    Methyltestosterone -------------------------94-130------115-150
    Metribolone(Methyltrienolone )-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
    Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
    Myagen (Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
    Nilevar (Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
    Omnadren (Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
    Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
    Oral Turinabol ------------------------------None------100+
    Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
    Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
    Parabolan (Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
    Primobolan (Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
    Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate )-44-57------88
    Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
    Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
    Proviron (Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
    Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
    Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate )--20-60------50-90
    Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------20------400
    Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
    Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
    Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
    Test Enanthate /Cypionate /Propionate /Susp & Blends-100------100
    THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
    Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
    Winstrol (Stanozolol )---------------------------30------320


    My problem is now :

    1) Would it be best to stack two compounds that have the highest ratio anabolic / androgenic and are from different class ? (both of the compound are very high anabolic and low androgenic, one is Class I and one is Class II)

    2) Or is it best to stack two compounds that would lead to the best androgenic / anabolic balance and are from different class ? (one which is really androgenic, and one which is really anabolic).



    PS : I am not the one who "invented" the class at all or the ratio, I've just found that in various website.

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    this question has already been answered on this forum, numerous times in the past, please research before posting.

    does not bind to the androgen receptor? that is the most retarded thing i've heard. what idiot would think such a thing. it's an androgen.
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    Anabolics elicit more growth, while Androgens elicit more strength/hardness/etc. (in general). The compounds used depend on the goals for the cycle.

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    Thanks, so for fat loss and lean mass, do you think that stacking androgen and anabolics is a good way ?

    Also, I don't really understand if the best is to stack the highest androgens stack with the highest anabolics, or to stack both highest anabolics but which are from different class ?

    And do you think that this "class I and II" stack is really different from stacking 2 class I (to your experience) ?
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    I haven't heard of much stacking of say deca and tren, but I have heard of bold and tren being stacked. Usually you don't stack any of the three you have in the AAS section of two due to hepatoxicity issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    Anabolics elicit more growth, while Androgens elicit more strength/hardness/etc. (in general). The compounds used depend on the goals for the cycle.

    ManBeast
    all androgenic/anabolic steroids are anabolic/androgenic. some more than others.

    op is stuck on this class 1 class 2 thing but there is no class 1 or class 2 anabolic steroids.

    there is a science to stacking compounds, but it has nothing to do with class 1 or class 2.

    it has to do with does one steroid have properties that will compliment the other. (for the most part)
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    OP is just parroting Bill Roberts but that info was under heavy fire years ago if I remember right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    OP is just parroting Bill Roberts but that info was under heavy fire years ago if I remember right.

    ManBeast
    you remember correctly.
  

  
 

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