AndroHard v3 Works.

[Sklander]

Stats: 24 years old, 190lbs, bf roughly 10%

***CYCLE***
AAS:
wk1-8 androhard v3 @ 6 caps/day
wk2-5 SD @ 10mg/day
wk1-8 dermacrine 4 pumps/day
Support:
wk1-8 cycle support 2 scoops/day
wk1-8 fish oil (lots)
wk1-8 daa

I ran letro for awhile bc I was afraid of gyno problems (didn't think about DHT in AH... etc...) I was doing 1.0mg EOD. I have since stopped and am on a taper of Erase to get off completely.

The AndroHard v3 is a beast. Straight up B E A S T. I can't say enough about how great this compound is - no sides to speak of yet. I LOVE LOVE LOVE SD as well, so decided to throw it in for 4wks @ 10mg. SD at this dosage is side effect free for me (except the tank of lipids :S). I will get some bloods after this cycle just to see wtf is up.

My diet is clean. I am on a budget, so I do not eat out, and I make every attempt to increase efficiency of my food. I know a lot about nutrition and love to apply it to my body as an experiment... you tell me if its working...

 

[Sklander]

I have the TRSv2 from PP as a PCT. I was told that this is a sufficient restart of the HPTA for androhardv3, but I'm not sure the person recommending this knew I was on SD as well. I have Nolva and Torem ready as well as Forma. Thoughts on a sufficient PCT for this cycle? My nuts show little to no atrophy.

All comments welcome!!!

 

[Sklander]

Lol - My "christmas tree" in my lower back is all scraggled up like a charlie brown tree. I had an L5-S1 bulging disk from a dead lift about 2.5 years ago - you can see the size differential in my back.

Comments on PCT? I would love to not use a SERM, but have them on hand.

 

[Sklander]

Found a before and after.

The left pic is of me 4wks deep into a 75mg-100mg helladrol cycle. This was back in April of 2011. The right pic is of me yesterday jacked up on AndroHard v3 and a lil Superdrol.

 

[Sklander]

Any expanding on a PCT for this cycle? Should I expect a crash after dropping the SD?

 

[LikeMike]

I am just finishing a 4 week solo cycle. I don't feel shutdown but I can tell from looking at my nuts that there is some atrophy. I'm going OTC on this but I was questioning low dose nolva. I've never ran sd but I would imagine your gonna want to bounce back sooner than later. Either way good luck and keep us posted.

 

[heebs10]

i sure even just 10mg of sd for 4 weeks would shut you down. i would use a serm for sure. if it was me, i would run the TRS + torem for pct.

 

[Sklander]

My thoughts exactly. Thanks bro. I might do a lower dosage protocol as I don't think it will be entirely necessary. Thinking day1 120mg, day 2-7 90mg, day 8-? 60mg

 

[heebs10]

My thoughts exactly. Thanks bro. I might do a lower dosage protocol as I don't think it will be entirely necessary. Thinking day1 120mg, day 2-7 90mg, day 8-? 60mg

i think that would be sufficient

 

[HereToStudy]

First off, thanks for making this thread. I love when customers are happy with their results. Plus, it makes me look forward to my bottle of Hard on the way

I am a fan of the TRS, but I would suggest a SERM of choice to be run with it. SD can be a real bitch.

 

[Sklander]

Word, Eric. I will run TRSv2 + Torem for pct. How does Forma fit into the oct?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Word, Eric. I will run TRSv2 + Torem for pct. How does Forma fit into the oct?

Formestane? I would wait till after PCT.

 

[Rodja]

Formestane? I would wait till after PCT.

This. Although Form is a great AI, it also converts to 4-OHT and can lead to mild suppression, which is obviously not something you'd want in PCT.

 

[Sklander]

Okay. I'll hold the forma for later then.

Question: I am tapering off of letro. I have been at 0.5mg for the past 5 days. I never made it up past 1.25mg and when I was at that dose it was for 4 days total. I have been on the letro for about 4wks, but was doing 0.5mg E3D, then EOD then ED then started to go up with nip sensitivity. No gyno symptoms atm. So, yesterday I started to go EOD on the letro and started up 3 caps erase/day in an attempt to taper off the uber-powerful letro onto something more mild: erase. Then, taper off everything completely. Is this a correct protocol? Just trying to ensure there will not be a wild estrogen rebound from the combo of SD and letro being dropped from the cycle. AH and dermacrine are my only anabolics atm.

 

[ryansm]

Okay. I'll hold the forma for later then.

Question: I am tapering off of letro. I have been at 0.5mg for the past 5 days. I never made it up past 1.25mg and when I was at that dose it was for 4 days total. I have been on the letro for about 4wks, but was doing 0.5mg E3D, then EOD then ED then started to go up with nip sensitivity. No gyno symptoms atm. So, yesterday I started to go EOD on the letro and started up 3 caps erase/day in an attempt to taper off the uber-powerful letro onto something more mild: erase. Then, taper off everything completely. Is this a correct protocol? Just trying to ensure there will not be a wild estrogen rebound from the combo of SD and letro being dropped from the cycle. AH and dermacrine are my only anabolics atm.

Ya you are on the right path with the slow taper, glad the cycle is going well bud

 

[Sklander]

Word. Bc I am dropping SD and letro around the same time will I expect to have libido issues? I am gonna keep on the AH for 4wks at 6 caps a day i decided. Nice and steady. I am hoping the AH will offset the tank after dropping SD. Any thoughts on this? Up Dermacrine for awhile?

 

[Rodja]

Word. Bc I am dropping SD and letro around the same time will I expect to have libido issues? I am gonna keep on the AH for 4wks at 6 caps a day i decided. Nice and steady. I am hoping the AH will offset the tank after dropping SD. Any thoughts on this? Up Dermacrine for awhile?

The letro may cause some libido issues. How did SD treat your libido last time you ran it?

 

[Sklander]

Dropping the letro may cause issues or being on it period? I have ceased the letro and am on Erase atm. SD definitely killed the libido for a good 4 days while I was recovering in PCT. This time, though, I'm still on an anabolic, so I'm wondering how much dropping the SD from the cycle is going to affect how I feel.

Thoughts? Things I can take to try and offset the coming off of SD?

 

[Rodja]

Dropping the letro may cause issues or being on it period? I have ceased the letro and am on Erase atm. SD definitely killed the libido for a good 4 days while I was recovering in PCT. This time, though, I'm still on an anabolic, so I'm wondering how much dropping the SD from the cycle is going to affect how I feel.

Thoughts? Things I can take to try and offset the coming off of SD?

Letro is a libido killer while on it and it can take awhile for the estrogen to return. The AH should be able to counteract this drop, but the combination of SD and Letro might be too much.

 

[ryansm]

Ya if anything bump the AH dose, should compensate nicely if this issue arises.

 

[MattPorter]

Good cycle commentary, and you look pretty cut up btw...

SD + Letro would murder most peoples sex drive -- hopefully AndroHard will

revive it somewhat ----kind of smart of you to run the much milder AndroHard

Past the SD to make pct hopefully more forgiving.

-Matt

 

[Sklander]

Thanks for the approval, bro. Dropping the SD with high dose AH is really the most logical thing I can think to do. I pushed Dermacrine up to 7-8 pumps a day. I am kinda experiencing what I expected when coming off SD - libido is down a bit, but I just started dating this bangin' little blonde girl, and I can't keep my hands off her - this helps, but I feel that I haven't been able to perform to my full potential (we've only had sex while I was tapering off letro and and now I just dropped SD :S:S:S:S) LOL - She's about to be in for a surprise once HPTA restarts fully.

SUGGESTIONS on how to make this happen more smoothly? TRSv2 + a low dose nolva is what i'm going with now.

 

[Sklander]

Fcuk it - I'm getting bloods in the morning. I'll let y'all know.

 

[heebs10]

Thanks for the approval, bro. Dropping the SD with high dose AH is really the most logical thing I can think to do. I pushed Dermacrine up to 7-8 pumps a day. I am kinda experiencing what I expected when coming off SD - libido is down a bit, but I just started dating this bangin' little blonde girl, and I can't keep my hands off her - this helps, but I feel that I haven't been able to perform to my full potential (we've only had sex while I was tapering off letro and and now I just dropped SD :S:S:S:S) LOL - She's about to be in for a surprise once HPTA restarts fully.

SUGGESTIONS on how to make this happen more smoothly? TRSv2 + a low dose nolva is what i'm going with now.

you can get a PDE5 inhibitor to keep your little girl happy until your fully functional again

 

[Rodja]

Fcuk it - I'm getting bloods in the morning. I'll let y'all know.

Keep us updated.

you can get a PDE5 inhibitor to keep your little girl happy until your fully functional again

I keep some on-hand at all times. It's also good for BP support.

 

[heebs10]

I keep some on-hand at all times. It's also good for BP support.

as do i. better safe then sorry lol

 

[Sklander]

Keep us updated.



I keep some on-hand at all times. It's also good for BP support.

Bloods in the a.m. I will post the following day or as soon as I get my results. I have a baseline blood test somewhere that we can compare it to. This will be a great judge as to how toxic AH + SD in a low mg environment. I can post my diet also, if anyone is interested - it has been extremely clean to say the least.

What PDE5 you like, Rodja?

 

[Rodja]

Bloods in the a.m. I will post the following day or as soon as I get my results. I have a baseline blood test somewhere that we can compare it to. This will be a great judge as to how toxic AH + SD in a low mg environment. I can post my diet also, if anyone is interested - it has been extremely clean to say the least.

What PDE5 you like, Rodja?

I like Cialis.

 

[heebs10]

yep same here. the long half life makes it convenient if your not sure when your gonna be getting busy. one dose and your ready to go anytime for the next couple days

 

[Sklander]

Cialis in the mail. Luckily her flow is coinciding with my inability to fully perform. There must be a God.. lol

Also, I had bloods taken this morning (I was close to fainting bc I fasted for 12hrs - that's sad) I can't even go 12hrs without food or I feel so sick. My body is in HYPERDRIVE, it seems. I'll post bloods when they come in.

Thanks for all the help so far, guys.

 

[MattPorter]

You are doing bloods while continuing the AH + dermacrine??

Also -- if you are dating a new girl and are sexually active with her --- nothing worse than not having

a rock star boner -- ALWAYS have cialis on hand for situations like this. Big ego killer to have a pile of mush for your

girl.

-Matt

 

[Sklander]

Luckily there is no "pile of mush" LMAO -

You are doing bloods while continuing the AH + dermacrine??

Yes, I just got bloods taken about 2 hrs ago. Problem? I'm curious to see how a low dose of SD (10mg) affected my lipids vs a high dose as i have numbers for both. 30mg of SD TANKED my numbers. It was scary. I wanna see what a lower dose did/is doing... see how bad it messed up my liver and HPTA numbers/function. I wanna know if taking a lower dose is okay for MY body - thus, sir, the bloods. I think it will add to the community, also.

I'll keep y'all updated. I have been on a 4 day break (somewhat voluntary due to the high traffic of no-minded resolution people in the gym), but plan on getting back into some heavy stuff in the next couple of days.

 

[Sklander]

Bloods - Strange Numbers

I had taken some opiates in the previous 24 hrs of the test to ease some pain - I feel these have thrown my liver numbers off BADLY. If these numbers were accurate, wouldn't I be dead?

Please help interpret the results. I'm so mad I had opiates in my system... I am gonna dig up my bloods after a 4wk 30mg SD cycle about 9-10 months ago to see how it compares... there is just NO WAY those are my liver numbers.

 

[Rodja]

It's possible the opiates skewed the results especially when combined with the LV. How much time elapsed from the time you trained and when you took the test and what did you train that day? Lifting itself increases liver enzymes, so you may have three things taxing the liver.

 

[Sklander]

Bah - Yeah, I lifted heavy the day previous - probably 18-20 hrs before the test. I did bicycle training to the gym, core, squats, arnolds, ride home...

 

[Rodja]

Bah - Yeah, I lifted heavy the day previous - probably 18-20 hrs before the test. I did bicycle training to the gym, core, squats, arnolds, ride home...

Honestly, the best thing would be to wait a few days, not take any more opiates or train, and then retest.

 

[MattPorter]

Why on earth is testosterone so high without being on exogenous testosterone?

SD + AH should LOWER testosterone???? I know I am tired ttoday but did I miss something?

Also -- this just confirms that (regardless of opiates) SD is ****ing relentless and scary ****.

I consider myself advanced and I don't touch the stuff, no matter how good the gains are.

-Matt

 

[ryansm]

Not surprised to see those numbers on SD, even if they were lower in a previous cycle, imo it becomes easier to manipulate a higher score with future cycles. Lipids are typically skewed downward as well, this is why I stay away from methyls, just not worth it. I'm with Matt, what's with that test number? Unless the test isn't able to differentiate...possible

 

[Sklander]

Are y'all saying the test number of >1500 is too high and strange?

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Are y'all saying the test number of >1500 is too high and strange?

I would term it as "ludicrous" as opposed to just plain old strange .....its around double "normal/average" and triple or quadruple what a suppressed test # should be. you must be a freak of nature! lol

 

[Sklander]

I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???

 

[MDiocre]

I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???

Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.

 

[Sklander]

Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.

Dermacrine perhaps? DHEA??

I feel fine and have been off of SD for 6 days and have not seen any decrease in size, strength, or definition. I have kept AH at 6 caps a day and dermacrine at 7 pumps a day. I feel great... Lifts are all steadily increasing, vascularity is great, pumps are good. Libido is great (got some of the liquid cia for some assistance ).

I am gonna continue on running this how I am - 6 caps AH / day, 7 pumps derm / day, full support and clean diet. Lots of fish oil. I am gonna run this till its gone then do TRS with torem. I hope to keep at 185. I weighed 191 yesterday and am very lean. Even though these bloods are kinda fcuked up, they can only get better. I will get another round of bloods taken once I come off 4wks of PCT w/ TRS and torem. I feel the opiate use EXTREMELY skewed my liver numbers - there is NO WAY they are that bad.

 

[Eric Potratz]

I had taken some opiates in the previous 24 hrs of the test to ease some pain - I feel these have thrown my liver numbers off BADLY. If these numbers were accurate, wouldn't I be dead?

Please help interpret the results. I'm so mad I had opiates in my system... I am gonna dig up my bloods after a 4wk 30mg SD cycle about 9-10 months ago to see how it compares... there is just NO WAY those are my liver numbers.

The lab didnt notify you to go to the ER with these results? If I didnt know you just got off SD that would be the first thing Id recommend. SD or whatever pain meds you are taking are doing serious damage to your liver. Your about 1000% over the normal range. Ive seen complete cholestatic jaundice for less than this. What opiates did you say you where taking?

If you where on 8 pumps of Dermacrine those T levels are normal.

-Eric

 

[Sklander]

50mg x 2 daily morphine sulfate instant release for the past 10 days or so. Changing season and some shoulder issues...

I will get bloods run again soon... With numbers like this, if they are in fact correct, shouldn't they have some sort of physiological consequences that I should have noticed by now? I have dropped the SD and am just on AH + support.

 

[HereToStudy]

Holy **** to those LFTs. Literally Holy ****.

 

[heebs10]

ah yes, the dermcrine makes sense of those test values. i think everyone one forgot you were using the dremacrine

 

[MDiocre]

Your alk phos is normal, which points away from cholestasis.

Your liver's synthetic function is judged by the proteins it produces (coags, albumin, lipoproteins). AST/ALT are essentially markers of acute damage, as the destruction of liver cells is what allows these enzymes to escape into the bloodstream and be detected.

Your albumin and protein are not low, which suggests your liver has been doing its job synthesizing. Lipoproteins (LDL, HDL, etc) are also packaged in the liver, and these values are less than ideal, which is somewhat expected with sd.

AST/ALT levels this high are usually associated with acute hepatitis (but you feel fine -no fever, RUQ pain, or jaundice) or toxicity.

Tylenol is a common cause of isolated of elevated AST/ALT but thats just what im most used to seeing. Anything that causes liver toxicity could do so.

Morphine sulfate alone isnt technically hepatotoxic as far as i know. It can cause biliary sphincter spasm, but that would be more of a liver damage secondary to cholestasis (hard to go this route with a normal alk phos, but anything's possible in medicine). That said, many painkillers are combined pills with acetaminophen and vicodin, or percocet.

 

[Sklander]

Must be the tylenol in the pills I'm taking. Like I said, I have strength, endurance, libido is up, normal poops, great appetite, everything is great, honestly. I KNOW the numbers can't be accurate. I will get bloods taken again, but I am not putting this up too seriously, as I do not feel that it is accurate representation as to how my body is really operating.

Thank you for the explanation of the numbers, its exactly what I was looking for.

 

[MattPorter]

Yes, get checked up again. This is odd....those numbers are insane and I am surprised the lab didn't have a serious phone call or talk with you concerning those numbers. (was this a drop in lab or your normal Doctor?)

Hopefully discontinuing the SD and PK's will rectify those skewed numbers. I still can't believe dermacrine raises test even that HIGH.....This was a adequate OTC replacement for Testim, androgel etc....helluva product.

-Matt