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    I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander
    I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???
    Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

    Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

    Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

    Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.
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    Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

    Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

    Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

    Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.


    Dermacrine perhaps? DHEA??

    I feel fine and have been off of SD for 6 days and have not seen any decrease in size, strength, or definition. I have kept AH at 6 caps a day and dermacrine at 7 pumps a day. I feel great... Lifts are all steadily increasing, vascularity is great, pumps are good. Libido is great (got some of the liquid cia for some assistance ).

    I am gonna continue on running this how I am - 6 caps AH / day, 7 pumps derm / day, full support and clean diet. Lots of fish oil. I am gonna run this till its gone then do TRS with torem. I hope to keep at 185. I weighed 191 yesterday and am very lean. Even though these bloods are kinda fcuked up, they can only get better. I will get another round of bloods taken once I come off 4wks of PCT w/ TRS and torem. I feel the opiate use EXTREMELY skewed my liver numbers - there is NO WAY they are that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    I had taken some opiates in the previous 24 hrs of the test to ease some pain - I feel these have thrown my liver numbers off BADLY. If these numbers were accurate, wouldn't I be dead?

    Please help interpret the results. I'm so mad I had opiates in my system... I am gonna dig up my bloods after a 4wk 30mg SD cycle about 9-10 months ago to see how it compares... there is just NO WAY those are my liver numbers.

    The lab didnt notify you to go to the ER with these results? If I didnt know you just got off SD that would be the first thing Id recommend. SD or whatever pain meds you are taking are doing serious damage to your liver. Your about 1000% over the normal range. Ive seen complete cholestatic jaundice for less than this. What opiates did you say you where taking?

    If you where on 8 pumps of Dermacrine those T levels are normal.

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    50mg x 2 daily morphine sulfate instant release for the past 10 days or so. Changing season and some shoulder issues...

    I will get bloods run again soon... With numbers like this, if they are in fact correct, shouldn't they have some sort of physiological consequences that I should have noticed by now? I have dropped the SD and am just on AH + support.
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    ah yes, the dermcrine makes sense of those test values. i think everyone one forgot you were using the dremacrine
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    Your alk phos is normal, which points away from cholestasis.

    Your liver's synthetic function is judged by the proteins it produces (coags, albumin, lipoproteins). AST/ALT are essentially markers of acute damage, as the destruction of liver cells is what allows these enzymes to escape into the bloodstream and be detected.

    Your albumin and protein are not low, which suggests your liver has been doing its job synthesizing. Lipoproteins (LDL, HDL, etc) are also packaged in the liver, and these values are less than ideal, which is somewhat expected with sd.

    AST/ALT levels this high are usually associated with acute hepatitis (but you feel fine -no fever, RUQ pain, or jaundice) or toxicity.

    Tylenol is a common cause of isolated of elevated AST/ALT but thats just what im most used to seeing. Anything that causes liver toxicity could do so.

    Morphine sulfate alone isnt technically hepatotoxic as far as i know. It can cause biliary sphincter spasm, but that would be more of a liver damage secondary to cholestasis (hard to go this route with a normal alk phos, but anything's possible in medicine). That said, many painkillers are combined pills with acetaminophen and vicodin, or percocet.
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    Must be the tylenol in the pills I'm taking. Like I said, I have strength, endurance, libido is up, normal poops, great appetite, everything is great, honestly. I KNOW the numbers can't be accurate. I will get bloods taken again, but I am not putting this up too seriously, as I do not feel that it is accurate representation as to how my body is really operating.

    Thank you for the explanation of the numbers, its exactly what I was looking for.
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    Yes, get checked up again. This is odd....those numbers are insane and I am surprised the lab didn't have a serious phone call or talk with you concerning those numbers. (was this a drop in lab or your normal Doctor?)

    Hopefully discontinuing the SD and PK's will rectify those skewed numbers. I still can't believe dermacrine raises test even that HIGH.....This was a adequate OTC replacement for Testim, androgel etc....helluva product.

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    unless your a opiate abuser, this isnt right, i ran SD 3 weeks at 20mg, bridged into tren ph for 4-5 weeks. My AST: 50, ALT: 90 if memory serves. and even i had a day or two on cycle drinking and or taking opiates, so nothing is adding up here...

    id retest just to make sure it doesnt pop up the same, otherwise ER
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    Just received an email from the company that tested. They were doing a weekly review of the bloods they ran and contacted me saying the AST and ALT numbers were not correct. They apologized because the number in the computer didn't match the print out - saying they would have, indeed contacted me if those were my numbers.

    AST = 55
    ALT = 69

    Man, I been sweating this. I have been using opiates to ease the pain, but not ABUSING them. This just didn't add up at all. Those numbers still aren't very good, but I do have a more normal sleep schedule being off the SD. I am not sure I'll touch the stuff again... I am going to have the test rerun after I get off the AH and go natty for a bit... This is a bit scary and definitely a wake up call. BE CAREFUL YALL.
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    That's a major relief. As already said, the numbers didn't really add up.
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    Yeah... damn, they must have had a lot of **** mixed up. Overall, that tells me those numbers aren't too bad at all. 10mg of SD still tanked LH and LSH which is bunk... I am still in need of the TOCO 8 for the TRS.

    Know idea how much this is a relief. AH isn't harsh AT ALL, also, is what this tells us. Plus, I have maintained after dropping SD. I will get pics at the end of the cycle. I have lost a little bit of the water bloat of SD and the water weight and am trimmer and more cut on the AH. It has me strong as an OX though. I am interested to see how the TRSv2 treats me + torem. Is there anything else I can run in PCT to boost hte affects of HPTA restart and keeping gains? I'm up or anything... No more sarms. I'm through with sarms.
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    TRS and Tor will be plenty. There are some bloods on the homesite from some one using this and his numbers were great. I'll try to dig them up.
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    Gracias amigo. I am missing one piece of the TRS - I have the sustain alpha, protomax, TCF-1 - missing the other ingredient. TOCO 8? I was told it would ship out pretty soon. LMK. Thanks bro.
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    It should be shipping very soon as it is in stock.
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    Thank god. Seriously, your numbers scared me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Gracias amigo. I am missing one piece of the TRS - I have the sustain alpha, protomax, TCF-1 - missing the other ingredient. TOCO 8? I was told it would ship out pretty soon. LMK. Thanks bro.
    Sh!t -- we now include protomax in our PCT stack to retains all gains!! lol

    Did you mean Endoamp MAX???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Sh!t -- we now include protomax in our PCT stack to retains all gains!! lol

    Did you mean Endoamp MAX???

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    Haha, is it sad that I read through that and didn't notice until you pointed it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Haha, is it sad that I read through that and didn't notice until you pointed it out.
    I just assumed it was some confusion on his end.
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    That lipid panel looks like mine when I was on 10mg of SD, although my liver function was normal. My blood glucose was also f-cked up, which probably explained why I was thristy every minute of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mildsauce View Post
    That lipid panel looks like mine when I was on 10mg of SD, although my liver function was normal. My blood glucose was also f-cked up, which probably explained why I was thristy every minute of the day.
    It always fascinates me how wildly different people can respond to these products.
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    Yeah, those numbers scared the hell out of me too. I was so confused because with numbers like that I literally should be writhing on the ground in pain bc of my liver is basically self rejecting itself... things just didn't add up.

    No SD for me for awhile.

    UPDATE::: I'm holding steady at 186lbs. I haven't been into the gym in the month of January - weighted pullups and pushups, ladies and gents. I can't stand the new years resolution bull****, and my schedule doesn't allow for 3am workouts at the moment. I got a new girl, and she loves to get down, so that core work is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Yeah, those numbers scared the hell out of me too. I was so confused because with numbers like that I literally should be writhing on the ground in pain bc of my liver is basically self rejecting itself... things just didn't add up.

    No SD for me for awhile.

    UPDATE::: I'm holding steady at 186lbs. I haven't been into the gym in the month of January - weighted pullups and pushups, ladies and gents. I can't stand the new years resolution bull****, and my schedule doesn't allow for 3am workouts at the moment. I got a new girl, and she loves to get down, so that core work is great.
    Not bad to be holding weight and out of the gym...

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    Im glad you appear to have an explanation for your elevated liver values but they are still TEN TIMES normal.
    That said, the fact your bilirubin is normal is a good sign.

    I'd still re-test soon just to put me at ease. If you ever want a more conclusive answer for AS-induced toxicity, request a GGT in addition to the standard liver panels

    As previously recommended, no training 2-3 days prior to the test and no Tylenol so as to rule out the the potential for false positives
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Im glad you appear to have an explanation for your elevated liver values but they are still TEN TIMES normal.
    That said, the fact your bilirubin is normal is a good sign.

    I'd still re-test soon just to put me at ease. If you ever want a more conclusive answer for AS-induced toxicity, request a GGT in addition to the standard liver panels

    As previously recommended, no training 2-3 days prior to the test and no Tylenol so as to rule out the the potential for false positives
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    Okay, finally off these stupid opiates. Idk what the hell was going on with me, but its fixed now. The opiates/tylenol definitely were skewing the numbers, as I was told by my doctor. I am going to have bloods done again when the TRSv2 and torem PCT has finished. I have definitely lost weight as I have been sick and bed ridden for a few weeks. I am much better now. I will give everyone a report as to how my first gym session goes in about 2hrs. I am really looking forward to seeing what I can still throw around, gonna start slow though.

    My current PCT protocol has been:

    I tapered off letro to 0.5mgEOD for a week or so, I overlapped 3caps erase / day with this and am still taking hte erase. zero gyno symptoms atm.
    SERM: torem day1 120, day2-4 100mg, day 5-10 60mg, day 11-now 30mg
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    lots of DAA
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    When (should?) I run any formastanzol? 2wks post pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Okay, finally off these stupid opiates. Idk what the hell was going on with me, but its fixed now. The opiates/tylenol definitely were skewing the numbers, as I was told by my doctor. I am going to have bloods done again when the TRSv2 and torem PCT has finished. I have definitely lost weight as I have been sick and bed ridden for a few weeks. I am much better now. I will give everyone a report as to how my first gym session goes in about 2hrs. I am really looking forward to seeing what I can still throw around, gonna start slow though.

    My current PCT protocol has been:

    I tapered off letro to 0.5mgEOD for a week or so, I overlapped 3caps erase / day with this and am still taking hte erase. zero gyno symptoms atm.
    SERM: torem day1 120, day2-4 100mg, day 5-10 60mg, day 11-now 30mg
    PP testosterone recovery stack w toco 8 taking as directed
    lots of DAA
    lots of food

    When (should?) I run any formastanzol? 2wks post pct?
    Thats a tough question because that is a steroidal suicide inhibitor that can convert into 4-hydroxy-testosterone. Which could hinder or at least NOT boost test levels.

    It could work just great and not interfere with recovery, but you have a chance that it could too..

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    Can you get Aromasin (Exemestane)? If you are going to use an AI in PCT, that should be the go to. I am against any Formestane product in PCT.
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    X2. I'm still a fan of ramping up an AI while ramping down a SERM. Or using an OTC PCT like the TRS and then ramping up an AI during.

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    Can you get Aromasin (Exemestane)? If you are going to use an AI in PCT, that should be the go to. I am against any Formestane product in PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    X2. I'm still a fan of ramping up an AI while ramping down a SERM. Or using an OTC PCT like the TRS and then ramping up an AI during.
    I am a little more than two weeks into the TRS... I have been taking 3 caps a day or erase to come off the long letro taper I was on... Are you saying I need to ramp UP my dose of erase (AI)? I could get aromosin... but not in time for all of this.
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    No I would start to taper, everything...I still don't understand the AI purpose and especially ramping up the AI at the end of PCT? Maybe BBG can explain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    No I would start to taper, everything...I still don't understand the AI purpose and especially ramping up the AI at the end of PCT? Maybe BBG can explain...
    I'd assume it is due to high estrogen levels being suppressive (he has spoken on this before). I am going to be doing TRS/SERM/aromasin this cycle, but I won't be ramping up, just a very low/moderate dose.
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