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  1. You are doing bloods while continuing the AH + dermacrine??

    Also -- if you are dating a new girl and are sexually active with her --- nothing worse than not having

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  2. Luckily there is no "pile of mush" LMAO -

    Quote Originally Posted by mattporter
    You are doing bloods while continuing the AH + dermacrine??


    Yes, I just got bloods taken about 2 hrs ago. Problem? I'm curious to see how a low dose of SD (10mg) affected my lipids vs a high dose as i have numbers for both. 30mg of SD TANKED my numbers. It was scary. I wanna see what a lower dose did/is doing... see how bad it messed up my liver and HPTA numbers/function. I wanna know if taking a lower dose is okay for MY body - thus, sir, the bloods. I think it will add to the community, also.

    I'll keep y'all updated. I have been on a 4 day break (somewhat voluntary due to the high traffic of no-minded resolution people in the gym), but plan on getting back into some heavy stuff in the next couple of days.
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  3. Bloods - Strange Numbers


    I had taken some opiates in the previous 24 hrs of the test to ease some pain - I feel these have thrown my liver numbers off BADLY. If these numbers were accurate, wouldn't I be dead?

    Please help interpret the results. I'm so mad I had opiates in my system... I am gonna dig up my bloods after a 4wk 30mg SD cycle about 9-10 months ago to see how it compares... there is just NO WAY those are my liver numbers.
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  4. It's possible the opiates skewed the results especially when combined with the LV. How much time elapsed from the time you trained and when you took the test and what did you train that day? Lifting itself increases liver enzymes, so you may have three things taxing the liver.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. Bah - Yeah, I lifted heavy the day previous - probably 18-20 hrs before the test. I did bicycle training to the gym, core, squats, arnolds, ride home...

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Bah - Yeah, I lifted heavy the day previous - probably 18-20 hrs before the test. I did bicycle training to the gym, core, squats, arnolds, ride home...
    Honestly, the best thing would be to wait a few days, not take any more opiates or train, and then retest.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  7. Why on earth is testosterone so high without being on exogenous testosterone?

    SD + AH should LOWER testosterone???? I know I am tired ttoday but did I miss something?

    Also -- this just confirms that (regardless of opiates) SD is ****ing relentless and scary ****.

    I consider myself advanced and I don't touch the stuff, no matter how good the gains are.

    -Matt

  8. Not surprised to see those numbers on SD, even if they were lower in a previous cycle, imo it becomes easier to manipulate a higher score with future cycles. Lipids are typically skewed downward as well, this is why I stay away from methyls, just not worth it. I'm with Matt, what's with that test number? Unless the test isn't able to differentiate...possible


  9. Are y'all saying the test number of >1500 is too high and strange?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Are y'all saying the test number of >1500 is too high and strange?
    I would term it as "ludicrous" as opposed to just plain old strange .....its around double "normal/average" and triple or quadruple what a suppressed test # should be. you must be a freak of nature! lol
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  11. I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Sklander
    I JUST GOT OFF superdrol when I took these bloods... I do not understand why free test shouldn't be through the roof???
    Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

    Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

    Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

    Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.

  13. Like Matt said, unless you were using synthetic exogenous test then the free test should not pick up the AAS in you. The test is specific for testosterone.

    Your androgen receptors, however, are less specific. They can bind test, SD, and the myriad of other AAS thatve come up in the past decades.

    Androgen receptors in your hypothalamus get activated by SD, interprets it as test in sufficient levels. By negative feedback, it releases less GnRH to the pituitary, which results in less LH and FSH being released from the pituitary. Less FSH/LH, less endogenous testosterone.

    Your actual test is low after a week or so on cycle, once this physiology (aka "shut down") occurs.


    Dermacrine perhaps? DHEA??

    I feel fine and have been off of SD for 6 days and have not seen any decrease in size, strength, or definition. I have kept AH at 6 caps a day and dermacrine at 7 pumps a day. I feel great... Lifts are all steadily increasing, vascularity is great, pumps are good. Libido is great (got some of the liquid cia for some assistance ).

    I am gonna continue on running this how I am - 6 caps AH / day, 7 pumps derm / day, full support and clean diet. Lots of fish oil. I am gonna run this till its gone then do TRS with torem. I hope to keep at 185. I weighed 191 yesterday and am very lean. Even though these bloods are kinda fcuked up, they can only get better. I will get another round of bloods taken once I come off 4wks of PCT w/ TRS and torem. I feel the opiate use EXTREMELY skewed my liver numbers - there is NO WAY they are that bad.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    I had taken some opiates in the previous 24 hrs of the test to ease some pain - I feel these have thrown my liver numbers off BADLY. If these numbers were accurate, wouldn't I be dead?

    Please help interpret the results. I'm so mad I had opiates in my system... I am gonna dig up my bloods after a 4wk 30mg SD cycle about 9-10 months ago to see how it compares... there is just NO WAY those are my liver numbers.

    The lab didnt notify you to go to the ER with these results? If I didnt know you just got off SD that would be the first thing Id recommend. SD or whatever pain meds you are taking are doing serious damage to your liver. Your about 1000% over the normal range. Ive seen complete cholestatic jaundice for less than this. What opiates did you say you where taking?

    If you where on 8 pumps of Dermacrine those T levels are normal.

    -Eric

  15. 50mg x 2 daily morphine sulfate instant release for the past 10 days or so. Changing season and some shoulder issues...

    I will get bloods run again soon... With numbers like this, if they are in fact correct, shouldn't they have some sort of physiological consequences that I should have noticed by now? I have dropped the SD and am just on AH + support.

  16. Holy **** to those LFTs. Literally Holy ****.
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  17. ah yes, the dermcrine makes sense of those test values. i think everyone one forgot you were using the dremacrine
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  18. Your alk phos is normal, which points away from cholestasis.

    Your liver's synthetic function is judged by the proteins it produces (coags, albumin, lipoproteins). AST/ALT are essentially markers of acute damage, as the destruction of liver cells is what allows these enzymes to escape into the bloodstream and be detected.

    Your albumin and protein are not low, which suggests your liver has been doing its job synthesizing. Lipoproteins (LDL, HDL, etc) are also packaged in the liver, and these values are less than ideal, which is somewhat expected with sd.

    AST/ALT levels this high are usually associated with acute hepatitis (but you feel fine -no fever, RUQ pain, or jaundice) or toxicity.

    Tylenol is a common cause of isolated of elevated AST/ALT but thats just what im most used to seeing. Anything that causes liver toxicity could do so.

    Morphine sulfate alone isnt technically hepatotoxic as far as i know. It can cause biliary sphincter spasm, but that would be more of a liver damage secondary to cholestasis (hard to go this route with a normal alk phos, but anything's possible in medicine). That said, many painkillers are combined pills with acetaminophen and vicodin, or percocet.

  19. Must be the tylenol in the pills I'm taking. Like I said, I have strength, endurance, libido is up, normal poops, great appetite, everything is great, honestly. I KNOW the numbers can't be accurate. I will get bloods taken again, but I am not putting this up too seriously, as I do not feel that it is accurate representation as to how my body is really operating.

    Thank you for the explanation of the numbers, its exactly what I was looking for.

  20. Yes, get checked up again. This is odd....those numbers are insane and I am surprised the lab didn't have a serious phone call or talk with you concerning those numbers. (was this a drop in lab or your normal Doctor?)

    Hopefully discontinuing the SD and PK's will rectify those skewed numbers. I still can't believe dermacrine raises test even that HIGH.....This was a adequate OTC replacement for Testim, androgel etc....helluva product.

    -Matt

  21. unless your a opiate abuser, this isnt right, i ran SD 3 weeks at 20mg, bridged into tren ph for 4-5 weeks. My AST: 50, ALT: 90 if memory serves. and even i had a day or two on cycle drinking and or taking opiates, so nothing is adding up here...

    id retest just to make sure it doesnt pop up the same, otherwise ER

  22. Just received an email from the company that tested. They were doing a weekly review of the bloods they ran and contacted me saying the AST and ALT numbers were not correct. They apologized because the number in the computer didn't match the print out - saying they would have, indeed contacted me if those were my numbers.

    AST = 55
    ALT = 69

    Man, I been sweating this. I have been using opiates to ease the pain, but not ABUSING them. This just didn't add up at all. Those numbers still aren't very good, but I do have a more normal sleep schedule being off the SD. I am not sure I'll touch the stuff again... I am going to have the test rerun after I get off the AH and go natty for a bit... This is a bit scary and definitely a wake up call. BE CAREFUL YALL.

  23. That's a major relief. As already said, the numbers didn't really add up.
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  24. Yeah... damn, they must have had a lot of **** mixed up. Overall, that tells me those numbers aren't too bad at all. 10mg of SD still tanked LH and LSH which is bunk... I am still in need of the TOCO 8 for the TRS.

    Know idea how much this is a relief. AH isn't harsh AT ALL, also, is what this tells us. Plus, I have maintained after dropping SD. I will get pics at the end of the cycle. I have lost a little bit of the water bloat of SD and the water weight and am trimmer and more cut on the AH. It has me strong as an OX though. I am interested to see how the TRSv2 treats me + torem. Is there anything else I can run in PCT to boost hte affects of HPTA restart and keeping gains? I'm up or anything... No more sarms. I'm through with sarms.

  25. TRS and Tor will be plenty. There are some bloods on the homesite from some one using this and his numbers were great. I'll try to dig them up.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  26. Gracias amigo. I am missing one piece of the TRS - I have the sustain alpha, protomax, TCF-1 - missing the other ingredient. TOCO 8? I was told it would ship out pretty soon. LMK. Thanks bro.

  27. It should be shipping very soon as it is in stock.
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  28. Thank god. Seriously, your numbers scared me.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Gracias amigo. I am missing one piece of the TRS - I have the sustain alpha, protomax, TCF-1 - missing the other ingredient. TOCO 8? I was told it would ship out pretty soon. LMK. Thanks bro.
    Sh!t -- we now include protomax in our PCT stack to retains all gains!! lol

    Did you mean Endoamp MAX???

    -Matt

  30. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Sh!t -- we now include protomax in our PCT stack to retains all gains!! lol

    Did you mean Endoamp MAX???

    -Matt
    Haha, is it sad that I read through that and didn't notice until you pointed it out.
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