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    AndroHard v3 is here -- Muscle Density, Strength & Aggression - Natural GYNO reversal








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    The 3rd generation of AndroHard is here -- AndroHard v3

    Sculpting a hard, masculine physique is virtually impossible without sufficient androgen levels. (1-8) AndroHard v3 delivers the strongest legal androgens found in the human body -- which pushes blood levels past the “androgen threshold” for harder, denser muscles. (8-20)

    Our first AndroHard v3 tester, Kenneth N., lost 3% body fat and gained 6lbs of lean mass in only 8 weeks -- with nearly zero side-effects. See the interview here -



    Download the full case report here.







    How is AndroHard so effective?
    • Highly Dosed - Contains the highest dose of androgens found in any natural androgen product
    • Highly Anabolic - Super DHEA is 15x more effective than regular DHEA for increasing muscle density (12-21)
    • Highly Absorbable - Bypasses the liver and increases blood androgen levels for nearly 24hrs

    What are the active ingredients?


    The androgens in AndroHard include -


    Super-Ra-DHEA & Super-Rb-DHEA - These natural saturated androgens easily convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which enhances muscle density, strength and aggression while blocking (and reversing) the development of estrogenic side-effects, such as gynecomastia (gyno). These androgens boost the testosterone activity over 2250ng/dL*, bringing your body into the "muscle hardening" zone. (11,24,25)


    Together, these androgens mimic the overall androgenic & anabolic power of true injectable testosterone -- with a bioequivalence of 375mg/week injectable testosterone enanthate -- so you can make serious gains without breaking the law. (11-23)



    AndroHard = More Permanent Gains


    Results from AndroHard are generally higher quality compared to methylated oral steroids -- making the gains easier to maintain, and longer lasting.


    Methylated compounds such as superdrol, epistane, halodrol, dimethazine, etc., cause a rapid uptake of ionic fluid in the first 3-5 days leading to the rapid onset of muscular pumps, strength and weight gain. However, this fluid retention is rapidly lost after the cycle and gains are difficult to keep. (21)


    The best results from AndroHard are often seen after 3-4 weeks when the development of new myoblasts (muscle fibers) begin to take shape, and fat cells begin to shrink. (26-31) The development of muscle fibers and increased number of nuclei is a long-term benefit that is more easily maintained for many months or years. (26,27) Users of AndroHard report nearly 75% retention of gains, even 8 weeks after discontinuing their cycle. (43)

    Even reversal of pre-existing gyno is a long-term benefit that stays long after discontinuation of androgens. (24)









    The results from AndroHard are dramatic and noticeable when complemented with heavy lifting and a high protein diet.

    AndroHard will produce noticeable effects quickly.

    Effects after 1-2 weeks –
    • Increased self-confidence
    • Frequent hard erections
    • Intensified muscular strength
    ... And then after 3-4 weeks –
    • 5-8lb lean mass increase
    • Increased muscle definition
    • 20-30% increase in strength

    AndroHard = Less Side-Effects


    AndroHard was painstakingly optimized to bring maximum results with minimal side-effects -- it’s unlike anything on the market.

    Side-effects from AndroHard are mild, temporary, and usually completely unnoticed by users. Some men may even notice improved general health, as low androgen (testosterone) levels can lead to diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and depression. (32-34)











    AndroHard = Easy Recovery

    A rapid and complete recovery of natural testosterone production, ensures the maximum gain retention.

    Users of methylated orals and injectable steroids often struggle from a prolonged recovery, due to the highly suppressive nature of these types of steroids. (35-36) Recovery from these compounds can take months, or even years. (35-38) This makes it extremely difficult to maintain gains, sex-life, and mental health.

    AndroHard has one MAJOR advantage over the alternative -


    24hr Release - Mimics the body’s natural rhythm
    (LH & FSH secretion)
    The single daily dose of AndroHard rises and falls within a 24 hour period. This ensures levels fall back to “pre-dose” levels every 24 hours, allowing natural testosterone production to be stimulated. This prevents testicular shrinkage, shutdown and prolonged recovery. (39,40)

    Since AndroHard contains only androgens naturally produced by the body, they are easily metabolized and cleared from the body -- This allows users of AndroHard to fully recover in 30 days or less.




    AndroHard = Superior Delivery

    AndroHard utilizes the new Liqua-Vade 24HR Delivery technology -
    • Highly Bioavailable- Fat soluble androgens absorb up to 98% and bypass the liver
    • Highly Reliable - Maximum absorption is not dependant on food intake
    • Highly Convenient - Only ONE daily dose required for 24hr timed release of androgens
    We accomplished ultra-high bioavailability by utilizing fat soluble “fatty ester” hormones which are absorbed by the “fat uptake” (lymphatic) system, seen here -














    AndroHard = Cost Effective

    When priced against the nearest competition, AndroHard is at least 200-1000% more cost effective. (41)

    In fact, we encourage you to compare for yourself. Plus, consider the things you DON’T need with AndroHard -
    • Liver, kidney, or blood pressure support
    • Little blue pills to keep "things working"
    • Harsh "research grade" PCT drugs
    • Needles & sterilization


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    Primordial Performance is the industry leader in natural androgen supplements for men. Since 2006 our mission has been clear -- maximize the male hormone environment without comprimising health. Our products are backed by thousands of positive reviews, success stories, and detailed case reports.

    We take responsibility for our customers and take pride in the following -
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    It can be difficult or nearly impossible to make progress to your physique with low androgen levels. If you are tired of being stuck in a plateau, take action now -- and give your body what it needs to take your progress to the next level.

    Remember, AndroHard gives you -
    • Proven Safety - Extensive in-house blood data confirms exceptional safety profile (42)
    • Proven Effectiveness - Average 6lb lean mass, and 25% strength increase in only 8 weeks (43)
    • Proven Natural & Legal - Non-toxic naturally occurring androgens are found in the food supply (44,45)
    If quality, safety, and effectiveness are important to you -- AndroHard is your #1 choice.




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    41. Based on comparison to "natural androgen" based supplements, including 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, androsterone, and epiandrosterone products.

    42. Based on in-house blood data and case studies. Download white papers here - AndroHard

    43. Based on in-house case studies. See "Research" tab here - AndroHard

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    Would running 8 weeks andromass with 8 weeks half doses androhard be effective at controlling gyno as well? I have had minor gyno since puberty it has been under control but I would like to make sure it does not get worse with my next cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Would running 8 weeks andromass with 8 weeks half doses androhard be effective at controlling gyno as well? I have had minor gyno since puberty it has been under control but I would like to make sure it does not get worse with my next cycle.
    AMv3 already has a 1/2 dose of the actives in AHv3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    AMv3 already has a 1/2 dose of the actives in AHv3.
    But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
    Technically, taking 3 caps of AH/day along with 6 caps of AM would equate to a full dose of AH, which will be plenty to modulate any estrogen conversion from the 4-DHEA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
    If your goal is to reverse gyno, you need to use Androhard ALONE.

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    My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
    If thats the case, then the cycle you have outlined should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    But the other ingredients in andromass wouldnt exacerbate gyno? Or the half dosed androhard would keep it under control? You helped me make a cycle with AH/AM/hdrol but I am thinking of getting a second bottle of AM and running the 8 week AM 8 week 1/2 dose AH
    If you got time I would definitely be interested in seeing you log this cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    My goal is not really gyno reversal more gyno control I just don't want it to get worse.
    Then yes, as Rodja stated, you would have the equivalent of a full dose of androhard.

    EDIT: Left page opened, came back and replied, and see Eric beat me to it, lol!
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    Definitely can't wait to try this but I'm stacking with AD..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    If you got time I would definitely be interested in seeing you log this cycle
    I'm sure I will log it but im still in PCT for hdrol so I wouldnt do another cycle till March lol so might have to wait a little while
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    If you guys are interested in blood work from Androhard, check out the Case Study here: http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/casereports/?casereport=Hard-Kenneth%20Nance

    The bloods show his LH and FSH (indicators of shutdown) stay elevated during cycle. They only drop by a tiny amount, and that's during an 8 week cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    If you guys are interested in blood work from Androhard, check out the Case Study here: http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/casereports/?casereport=Hard-Kenneth Nance

    The bloods show his LH and FSH (indicators of shutdown) stay elevated during cycle. They only drop by a tiny amount, and that's during an 8 week cycle.
    I think this is insanely impressive for a hormonal product.
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    I think I was almost the most impressed with Kenneth. I got to film him and see him change every time I check up on him. He started off with a soft, estrogen dominant look -- Perhaps him being previously VERY over weight could have had something to do with it, but at the end of the cycle it was awesome to actually witness his physique take on a whole other "denser" appearance. He literally changed the EXACT way androhard should have changed him from the literature we know about DHT.

    It was nice to see how genuinely happy he was with his results.

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    Of all the products, this one seems like it will be a home run. I like the doses and the ingredient choices, I will be running it in the near future.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Of all the products, this one seems like it will be a home run. I like the doses and the ingredient choices, I will be running it in the near future.
    Have you ordered yet? Hit me up if not

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    i had great success with androhard v2..this product is legit it does what they say it will..it will harden you up,make you strong as an ox and you will have the stamina of a horse..you wont want to leave the gym
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    sorry if this is a stupid question, but to try an maximize 1 bottle, would it be inefficient to take less than the recommended dosage per day and stretch to a ~5 week cycle? my logic is based on the increased potency of v.3.

    guess im just trying to find the most efficient way to get a decent recomp in the spring and likely couldn't afford more than 1 bottle of anything.


    now this may be a really stupid question.... but bear with me.... my friend has some epi he doesnt want... what if i were to do, say, 2 weeks of that followed by 4 weeks of AH at recommended dosage? would i be overly suppressed or shut down taking that approach or could i still get by on the TRS alone?

    thanks guys
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    I'm interested in Bill's query as well. Anyone? Anyone? I am in the middle of doing this (with a 10mg SD base )... ten day overlap of epi with androhard v3 at 6caps/day - this will come out to a 6wk TOTAL cycle. SD at 10mg/day is just for fun, and i love that chemical with all my heart.. I'll get some bloods at some point. I'm in love with SD. 0.50mg/EOD letro keeps all estro sides at bay and I can use my unit quite easily... I have HIGH HOPES for the AHv3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    sorry if this is a stupid question, but to try an maximize 1 bottle, would it be inefficient to take less than the recommended dosage per day and stretch to a ~5 week cycle? my logic is based on the increased potency of v.3.

    guess im just trying to find the most efficient way to get a decent recomp in the spring and likely couldn't afford more than 1 bottle of anything.


    now this may be a really stupid question.... but bear with me.... my friend has some epi he doesnt want... what if i were to do, say, 2 weeks of that followed by 4 weeks of AH at recommended dosage? would i be overly suppressed or shut down taking that approach or could i still get by on the TRS alone?

    thanks guys
    IMO if you can only afford one bottle the recommended 4 weeks at full dose will be most effective, with the added hormone and enhanced delivery system gains will be great. As far as adding Epi I still advise the use of a SERM, but the TRS has held up as a solid PCT plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander
    I'm interested in Bill's query as well. Anyone? Anyone? I am in the middle of doing this (with a 10mg SD base )... ten day overlap of epi with androhard v3 at 6caps/day - this will come out to a 6wk TOTAL cycle. SD at 10mg/day is just for fun, and i love that chemical with all my heart.. I'll get some bloods at some point. I'm in love with SD. 0.50mg/EOD letro keeps all estro sides at bay and I can use my unit quite easily... I have HIGH HOPES for the AHv3.
    Currently running ahv2 along side my 6 week mdrol run. 10mgs all the way. On day6 now so tomorrow I'll add in AH.
    Hoping to recomp. I wouldn't see any problem other than running two meths side by side. Which seems like it would be pretty mean on the liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    SD at 10mg/day is just for fun, and i love that chemical with all my heart..
    Blood work may show your heart doesn't love it as much as you think

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    Blood work we shall then have soon, my friend. Low dose SD I think has awesome potential. It's just SO HARD TO NOT GO HIGHER BC GAINS ARE SO WILD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sklander View Post
    Blood work we shall then have soon, my friend. Low dose SD I think has awesome potential. It's just SO HARD TO NOT GO HIGHER BC GAINS ARE SO WILD.
    Depends really, 5mgs of SD and my HDL was in the single digits, LDL was in the 200's and my LFT's were elevated. This is why bloods are so important, not everyone responds the same some can take a lot more, but I have found the more cycles I've ran the quicker my numbers skew as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    IMO if you can only afford one bottle the recommended 4 weeks at full dose will be most effective, with the added hormone and enhanced delivery system gains will be great. As far as adding Epi I still advise the use of a SERM, but the TRS has held up as a solid PCT plan.
    yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

    so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

    thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

    so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

    thanks again
    He is just giving his suggestion. There is no "can't" with these products, you may lower the dosage to stretch it out if it suits your needs. Most like AndroHard dosed high, which is why we modified it to meet that demand, but others have certainly had results with a lower dose.
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    Sooooo....... 4 caps per day of AHard for 6 weeks.....is good? That's one bottle right? If I recall the study quoted said that 133mg DHT weekly was the number for gyno reversal, and that 6 caps equated to ~200mg DHT. Therefore 4 a day should equal the study almost exactly. If i recall everything from the site/study correctly. Now the 70 some odd % reversal was after 6 months or more...but just saying that 4 caps should be an effective dosage.
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    I'd love to try this as my first cycle but sadly I don't think I can get this shipped to Switzerland... Maybe I should go for a 12week holiday to the US

    On another note, I have minor gyno since I I'm a teen, if I do manage to run a cycle, would stacking the Androhardv3 with another product such has Androdrive/lean be a bad choice? If I can get some strength/size and get rid of my gyno... I don't see many negatives lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Sooooo....... 4 caps per day of AHard for 6 weeks.....is good? That's one bottle right? If I recall the study quoted said that 133mg DHT weekly was the number for gyno reversal, and that 6 caps equated to ~200mg DHT. Therefore 4 a day should equal the study almost exactly. If i recall everything from the site/study correctly. Now the 70 some odd % reversal was after 6 months or more...but just saying that 4 caps should be an effective dosage.
    4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

    3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icepray View Post
    I'd love to try this as my first cycle but sadly I don't think I can get this shipped to Switzerland... Maybe I should go for a 12week holiday to the US

    On another note, I have minor gyno since I I'm a teen, if I do manage to run a cycle, would stacking the Androhardv3 with another product such has Androdrive/lean be a bad choice? If I can get some strength/size and get rid of my gyno... I don't see many negatives lol
    No andro stacking is a bad choice -- we made sure to make each product complement eachother. Androhard is the most "stackable" and diversified product, alongside DRIVE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    yeah, see, my logic was that the AH may negate any estro sides i'd see coming off epi (but at 2 weeks, there may not be any), but then i run into being on for 6 weeks, increasing the risk of suppression.

    so you'd say if i could only afford 1 androseries product, i should got AH at 4 weeks as opposed to trying to stretch it out with like 4-5 caps a day as opposed to 6xday?

    thanks again
    You most certainly can get estro/gyno effects in 2 weeks -- SD,M1T ,,, have all done this too poor innocent nipples around the nation. As for suppression -- Well our testers ran 8 week cycles of ANDRO with minimal suppression , so that should tell you something. Kick starting an EPi, SD, Hdrol for 2 weeks then ending the cycle on ANDRO only will call for an easy transition into PCT which your balls will thank you for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    No andro stacking is a bad choice -- we made sure to make each product complement eachother. Androhard is the most "stackable" and diversified product, alongside DRIVE.

    Hard & Lean will be very special.

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    Good to know and about shipping, would it be better to PM/Email to talk about this as I'm not in the USA and I should maybe first find out if it is allowed to cross the border in to my country
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

    3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

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    Sounds good. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    4 would still be an effective dose -- no doubt, but 6 is what we used on our testers,,,,and something "magical" was happening with that whopping 1200mg dose per day as their body compositions were altering by the day.

    3-4 gels great for bringing androgenic profile up to offset overly anabolic cycles and keeping estro somewhat under control, but 6 softgels will change your body appearance.

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    I am thinking that 8 weeks of AndroHard at a full dose sounds like a plan to me. Curious if anyone has considered running it alongside test E at say 500mg/wk? I know that is something I am seriously considering knowing that to get Masteron or something like that it would end up costing about the same and is that much less to inject.
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    Thats what I was thinking, but the whole Feb 1st thing kinda ruins that .....for now......
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