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  1. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    And it will continue to harden you up which is what the Epi will already start doing. Also, you aren't going to feel too nice after a cycle like that and the AH should help, especially if you are running something like old school dermacrine or transderm as a test base. Actually, I wouldn't even attempt that cycle without one of those due to the lethargy from SD.
    wait, we might be on different pages. i wasnt going to run sd at all, just 'kickstart' the 4 week AH cycle with 2 weeks of epi (my friend has some left over that he doesnt want, and i wanted to run for 5-6 weeks, so i figured id throw it in there).... would that still be bad psychologically/with regard to lethargy?

    i was going to keep it mild, epistane at 10 mg day 1, 20 day 2, 30 throughout, then switch over to AH at full dosage beginning week 3


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    wait, we might be on different pages. i wasnt going to run sd at all, just 'kickstart' the 4 week AH cycle with 2 weeks of epi (my friend has some left over that he doesnt want, and i wanted to run for 5-6 weeks, so i figured id throw it in there).... would that still be bad psychologically/with regard to lethargy?

    i was going to keep it mild, epistane at 10 mg day 1, 20 day 2, 30 throughout, then switch over to AH at full dosage beginning week 3
    Epi is a feel good DS, you will enjoy it, especially in week 2. I would just run it at 30 until you run out even if it overlaps into the AH. Those two together will be a strength stack like you wouldn't believe. Epi makes me crazy strong after the first week, just don't dose too high as you pay for it in the joints. Good man on not using SD, I seriously think that should be left to those with no other options to gain mass, it is brutal.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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  3. thanks for the help man... i was just worried that the TRS wouldnt suffice if i stacked the epi with AH for very long (already a little on the fence about running the TRS without a serm for a 6 week cycle)

    with regard to sd - yeah, this would be my first cycle, so id like to see how my body/brain responds to some mild compounds... i HIGHLY doubt id ever run sd anyway as im a hypochondriac, haha, so id be freaking out about what would be going on with me internally... i have heard decent things about low dose SD pulses, but thats a whole other thread haha (my friend ran sd as his first cycle without proper pct and ended up with gyno... its only on one side and not really noticeable except under certain conditions, but still)

  4. AH, and all DHT-based hormones, are very mild and only result in mild shutdown.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. So if AH = masteron effect........the AL = anavar/primo type effects? I already assumed AB = deca effect and AM = enanthate/cypionate effect, but I could be wrong. Was curious on the AL......
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    So if AH = masteron effect........the AL = anavar/primo type effects? I already assumed AB = deca effect and AM = enanthate/cypionate effect, but I could be wrong. Was curious on the AL......
    Everything except AL would be accurate. I'm not sure what would be a good comparison for AL would be.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  7. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Everything except AL would be accurate. I'm not sure what would be a good comparison for AL would be.
    haha, that is why I was confused with that one. seems like it's not so harsh as test, but then again didn't compare exactly with anavar or anything super mild like that.... fat burning and cortisol blocking, with some decent anabolic action and low androgenic effect, sort of a combo of a lot of drugs in one application. Hey if it works well it would be in a league of its own I suppose.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Everything except AL would be accurate. I'm not sure what would be a good comparison for AL would be.
    AL as I see it is just a more bio-available form of 11-oxo, and ingredient in it, and probably the only product that has a useful dose 7-keto. It is so bad for oral dosing that 7-keto is only good in AL or as a transdermal and you can never get pure 7-keto powder.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    AL as I see it is just a more bio-available form of 11-oxo, and ingredient in it, and probably the only product that has a useful dose 7-keto. It is so bad for oral dosing that 7-keto is only good in AL or as a transdermal and you can never get pure 7-keto powder.
    that makes sense. things don't always need to be compared to actual steroids.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    haha, that is why I was confused with that one. seems like it's not so harsh as test, but then again didn't compare exactly with anavar or anything super mild like that.... fat burning and cortisol blocking, with some decent anabolic action and low androgenic effect, sort of a combo of a lot of drugs in one application. Hey if it works well it would be in a league of its own I suppose.
    I did a "ghetto test run" with powder 7keto (400mg) + powder 11-oxo (1200mg) and felt awesome pumps within 2 sets of working out. Was alarmed by the lower back pumps that you would "normally" get from harsher compounds.

    Stomach felt tighter within 1 week.

    It really made me happy for what AndroLean v3 will bring to the table.

    Stacking it with HARD --- Wow, I will have all my competitors on it pre-contest

    -Matt

  11. How much oral 7-keto are you supposed to take anyways? I bought some just recent, since I avoid stimulants. Wasn't sure what the effective dose was and hadn't researched it yet.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    I did a "ghetto test run" with powder 7keto (400mg) + powder 11-oxo (1200mg) and felt awesome pumps within 2 sets of working out. Was alarmed by the lower back pumps that you would "normally" get from harsher compounds.

    Stomach felt tighter within 1 week.

    It really made me happy for what AndroLean v3 will bring to the table.

    Stacking it with HARD --- Wow, I will have all my competitors on it pre-contest

    -Matt
    Oh, you answered the question as I posted it about 7-keto lol.

  13. The humanetics studies were done on a standard 200mg dose -- but im an extreme person so I of course doubled it

    -Matt

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    The humanetics studies were done on a standard 200mg dose -- but im an extreme person so I of course doubled it

    -Matt
    don't you always have to double the suggested dosage on most supps? label says 1-2 100mg a day. Maybe I'll split the difference between "suggested" and "maniacal" and take 3 a day. LOL.....

  15. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    The humanetics studies were done on a standard 200mg dose -- but im an extreme person so I of course doubled it

    -Matt
    so the normal dose of ALv3 would be around 200mg 7 keto, and 600mgs 11-oxo?
    RecoverBro ELITE

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    so the normal dose of ALv3 would be around 200mg 7 keto, and 600mgs 11-oxo?
    It would 200mg of 7 & 11 oxo

    However that 200 will deliver upwards of 95%! --Not 3-5% like straight powders

    -Matt

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    It would 200mg of 7 & 11 oxo

    However that 200 will deliver upwards of 95%! --Not 3-5% like straight powders

    -Matt
    AH yes, with the delivery system.
    Odd question for you Matt, but since there is no AL thread yet and we are on the subject, would you suggest stacking AL with AM? Or would it be better to do AH/AL? Say we take your blast/cruise philosophy into consideration. Go from a blast, to a cruise, then would you suggest a cruise dose of AM and reg dose of AL to Cut up towards the end? Or switch entirely into two full doses of AL and AH and drop the dosage of AM completely?
    RecoverBro ELITE

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    AH yes, with the delivery system.
    Odd question for you Matt, but since there is no AL thread yet and we are on the subject, would you suggest stacking AL with AM? Or would it be better to do AH/AL? Say we take your blast/cruise philosophy into consideration. Go from a blast, to a cruise, then would you suggest a cruise dose of AM and reg dose of AL to Cut up towards the end? Or switch entirely into two full doses of AL and AH and drop the dosage of AM completely?
    lol.... lets take a look here --

    BLAST on 8 weeks of Mass + (hard or bulk) at 12 softgels total.......
    Cruise for 4-8 weeks w/Mass 4 softgels
    BLAST on 8 weeks of LEAN + HARD at 12 softgels total

    Keep in mind -- you can stack Mass & Lean as the 11-oxo could definitely add to the anabolic effect of the cycle

    while keeping you leaner too.

    When you "cruise" 3-4 softgels dosed ONCE in the morning should allow LH and FSH to stay normal as 6 softgels proved that (more low/normal)

    I might even theorize and say that dosing D-aspartic acid (TCF-1) at night before bed would further keep LH and FSH signaling at a high level.

    Replicate an "Hcg" type effect.

    -Matt

  19. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    lol.... lets take a look here --

    BLAST on 8 weeks of Mass + (hard or bulk) at 12 softgels total.......
    Cruise for 4-8 weeks w/Mass 4 softgels
    BLAST on 8 weeks of LEAN + HARD at 12 softgels total

    Keep in mind -- you can stack Mass & Lean as the 11-oxo could definitely add to the anabolic effect of the cycle

    while keeping you leaner too.

    When you "cruise" 3-4 softgels dosed ONCE in the morning should allow LH and FSH to stay normal as 6 softgels proved that (more low/normal)

    I might even theorize and say that dosing D-aspartic acid (TCF-1) at night before bed would further keep LH and FSH signaling at a high level.

    Replicate an "Hcg" type effect.

    -Matt
    thanks man! That looks great hehe.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    lol.... lets take a look here --

    BLAST on 8 weeks of Mass + (hard or bulk) at 12 softgels total.......
    Cruise for 4-8 weeks w/Mass 4 softgels
    BLAST on 8 weeks of LEAN + HARD at 12 softgels total

    Keep in mind -- you can stack Mass & Lean as the 11-oxo could definitely add to the anabolic effect of the cycle

    while keeping you leaner too.

    When you "cruise" 3-4 softgels dosed ONCE in the morning should allow LH and FSH to stay normal as 6 softgels proved that (more low/normal)

    I might even theorize and say that dosing D-aspartic acid (TCF-1) at night before bed would further keep LH and FSH signaling at a high level.

    Replicate an "Hcg" type effect.

    -Matt
    ok I'm listening

    haha

  21. Just trying to give people some new things to consider -- so many different ways to approach diet/training/hormones/ ....

    -Matt

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Just trying to give people some new things to consider -- so many different ways to approach diet/training/hormones/ ....

    -Matt
    Exactly, there is no cookie-cutter approach to this.
    Just inject.
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  23. So 3 caps v3 is the same equivalence as 6 caps v2 androhard?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Just trying to give people some new things to consider -- so many different ways to approach diet/training/hormones/ ....

    -Matt
    You're kinda like "good cop" with all the various push it to the limit suggestions everybody likes, and Rodja is like "bad cop" advising safety first LOL or is it the other way around? hahahahahaha

  25. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    lol.... lets take a look here --

    BLAST on 8 weeks of Mass + (hard or bulk) at 12 softgels total.......
    Cruise for 4-8 weeks w/Mass 4 softgels
    BLAST on 8 weeks of LEAN + HARD at 12 softgels total

    Keep in mind -- you can stack Mass & Lean as the 11-oxo could definitely add to the anabolic effect of the cycle

    while keeping you leaner too.

    When you "cruise" 3-4 softgels dosed ONCE in the morning should allow LH and FSH to stay normal as 6 softgels proved that (more low/normal)

    I might even theorize and say that dosing D-aspartic acid (TCF-1) at night before bed would further keep LH and FSH signaling at a high level.

    Replicate an "Hcg" type effect.

    -Matt
    So you think the AH/AM should be fulled dosed for 8 weeks??? lol
    Core Nutritionals Representative

  26. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    You're kinda like "good cop" with all the various push it to the limit suggestions everybody likes, and Rodja is like "bad cop" advising safety first LOL or is it the other way around? hahahahahaha
    I always err on the side of caution and am an advocate of using the least amount you can to get the desired effect.

    For example, I have a friend that is convinced that he can't grow on less than 750mg/week of Test E and he's not a mass monster. He's big, but about 230 at 6'3". Meanwhile, I have another friend, who is about the same weight, but only 5'7" and he only uses 400mg/week because he's much more in tune with his training.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  27. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I always err on the side of caution and am an advocate of using the least amount you can to get the desired effect.

    For example, I have a friend that is convinced that he can't grow on less than 750mg/week of Test E and he's not a mass monster. He's big, but about 230 at 6'3". Meanwhile, I have another friend, who is about the same weight, but only 5'7" and he only uses 400mg/week because he's much more in tune with his training.
    More gear won't help much if diet and training aren't in check. I have got lax on cycles before and it did not amount to much in terms of body composition changes and/or strength gains. It all starts in the kitchen and the weight room, everything else just adds to the cumulative effect of it all.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  28. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    More gear won't help much if diet and training aren't in check. I have got lax on cycles before and it did not amount to much in terms of body composition changes and/or strength gains. It all starts in the kitchen and the weight room, everything else just adds to the cumulative effect of it all.
    100% agree.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  29. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    So 3 caps v3 is the same equivalence as 6 caps v2 androhard?
    Roughly, perhaps even less


  30. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Roughly, perhaps even less
    I only ask that because lean v2 at 6 caps + hard v3 at 3 caps should = both v2 at 6 caps? So that would be like the old hard and lean stack I'm assuming?
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