Blast and Cruise on Orals [Discussion]
- 11-16-2011, 09:04 PM
You can inject sc and im. There was even a recent study that showed it was just as effective.
Remember tom prince? His liver failure was directly related to using orals for a long time. Also, masswithclass, an npc competitor on several boards, died from orals overuse. He even talked about it weeks before how death. That was back in 04-05 I believe.
Point being, stick with injectables as your main source of gear, and only orals as the icing on the cake. It's the safe thing to do.
- 11-16-2011, 09:47 PM
11-16-2011, 10:13 PM
what about crusing with low dose 11-oxo? it is not supressive, but I don't know if you can recover while on it. it would be a normal cycle followed by PCT to being natural production up along with 350mg 11-oxo.
Another alternative is 10 week epi pulse.
11-16-2011, 10:26 PM
The term blast and cruise refers to being on steroids year round and only lowering the dose during the cruise phase... You do not cruise with nolvadex, creatine, daa, letro, 11oxo, dhea, etc...
11-16-2011, 10:37 PM
11-17-2011, 04:34 AM
Overall, long term effects of injectibles are more known than designers which don't go under scutiny as much. Sure some are just as dangerous, but at least it's studied and documented. I wasn't trying to say definitively that injectables are better, sorry if I came off like that. I check forums after a long day sometimes and just type stuff.
As for DAA, an AI is not required. not saying that using one wouldn't be beneficial, but a prescription strength AI would be a bit strong IMO for DAA. something like resveratrol or eating a ton of broccoli might suffice. In any case, only a blood test will tell you for sure.
if you run a 10wk injectable, and 4wk PCT, that's 14wks, off time should equal at least 14 wks, so total time for an injectable cycle would be 28 weeks. That's what I was trying to get at. Also, aside from multis and whatnot, you don't really need a liver protectant on injectables, and you would only need PCT twice a year vs a strictly oral cycle where your liver is being taxed constantly. I'm assuming the cycle will be relatively simple w/ just test at conservative levels.
in any case... there's nothing wrong w/ orals, just I've found it more expensive and taxing to cover all your bases. Some ppl don't run it with all the support supplements, but I did, and it added to the expense.
11-17-2011, 09:41 AM
11-17-2011, 11:09 AM
11-17-2011, 11:13 AM
The only things you should cruise and blast on are test and growth IMO....your body already makes it. Your body does not make designer steroids or prohormones YOU WILL **** YOURSELF UP taking all of those oral!
11-17-2011, 12:47 PM
11-17-2011, 01:02 PM
The TS clearly said he doesn't "want to jeopardize my career". Any injectable would not be exactly "legal" and thus would be putting his career - his livelihood - on the line. Anyone here who has a "career" and not simply a "job" knows that's your life... you can't mess with that.
11-17-2011, 02:29 PM
Have you injected subq? Can you explain the slin pin experience a little? Like where, how much at once, do you draw up with the same pin, and estimated time to inject?Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf
11-17-2011, 02:47 PM
11-17-2011, 03:18 PM
Which, really, assuming you stick to the same exact routine and schedule without fail for an extended period of time, ie. 6 months or more, is eventually going to level out and all things will be equal as by that long you will have established consistent levels and release no matter what dose you are injecting.
11-17-2011, 04:28 PM
I always thought if you didnt pin IM the oil would be usless....
and how long of a slin pin are we talking here?? 5/8's?
11-17-2011, 07:30 PM
Prohormones show up as the same thing in a drug test....considering that they are precursors to REAL aas so you might as well get better results with less sides with the real ****....and there are lots of careers who could give a **** less about aas!Originally Posted by Marcinator
11-17-2011, 09:47 PM
pro hormones are the same side effects as androgenic/anabolic steroids.
and if you dont get good conversion, you have even less side effects, or no side effects of aas.
only dumbassses think prohormone side effects are any different than the parent compounds they convert into. you should slap yourself for even thinking such a thought.
11-17-2011, 09:59 PM
Do job tests really check for aas and if they did wouldn't they have to check for sh1t load of metabolites considering how many different compounds There r?Originally Posted by locoelvis
11-17-2011, 10:01 PM
11-17-2011, 11:42 PM
The SAME side effects? WOW ok so a methylated oral that converts into trenbolone has the same sides as regular trenbolone? NO THERE'S MORE SIDES BC OF THE METHYLATION DIP****!Originally Posted by jbryand101b
11-17-2011, 11:46 PM
My liver enzymes on finaflex 550xd were literally TRIPLE as high as they were on 500mg cyp, 250mg tren ace and I was on a ****ing arsenal of liver support supps. As a matter of fact on every injectable cycle I have ever taken my liver levels are always normal on my mid cycle bloodwork! You are WRONG my friend!
11-18-2011, 12:42 AM
11-18-2011, 01:25 AM
The side effects of trenbolone are worse than oral tren.Originally Posted by locoelvis
You don't get night sweats, libido loss as much, progestin sides, etc on oral tren like real stuff. And oral tren isn't methylated there genius, though it still affects the liver
Probably shouldn't talk crap and insult people when you are wrong as well.
11-18-2011, 09:40 AM
11-18-2011, 11:46 AM
Ok so i really didn't want to come in here and say this, i thought people would get that it's a discussion on how to possibly run a modified "Blast and Cruise" method for orals... not to come in here and preach about oral use like the OP is 17.
It's obvious what kind of a thread this is, it's NOT a thread to come in and preach injecting over orals, or the toxicity of orals, or whatever the hell else you think you want to preach about. Let's stick to the damn topic.
Oh and for those of you saying: "Well random bro who is a cop injects and i know that other cops inject..." This means nothing. Orals are NOT the same as injecting as far as law enforcement goes. You don't know what you're talking about if you're going to talk to me about law. Trust me. So don't even go there.
Now, glad to see this thread has basically gotten back on topic thanks again to jbry. Seriously guys, stop trying to shove needles down people throats because that's ALL YOU KNOW. Use your heads and have an intelligent discussion about something else.
11-18-2011, 01:07 PM
There are no methylated pro hormones that convert into tren idiot.Originally Posted by locoelvis
But, if there was, it would convert into methylated trenbolone, and have the same sides as methyl tren, because it would be methyl tren. Duh.
11-18-2011, 01:15 PM
Now you are comparing an oral pro hormone to dienolone & superdrol with injectable testosterone &trenbolone?Originally Posted by locoelvis
You should stop talking, you are making yourself look dumber with each post,
11-18-2011, 01:21 PM
I never knew injectable steroids were passed through the liver.
Maybe I should stick with orals then since injects are just as harsh on the liver.........................
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11-18-2011, 01:24 PM
Injectables avoid first pass metabolism, but everything is filtered through the liver in the end. So for injectable orals like dbol and winstdol, you skip the small intestines and first pass through the liver, but it will still get filtered through the liver and kidneys just like everything else.
Same amount is filtered in the liver either way, just more is going to make it to the androgen receptors initially.
11-18-2011, 01:27 PM
So obviously injects aren't nearly as hard on the liver as a methylated PH
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