Blast and Cruise on Orals [Discussion]
- 11-17-2011, 12:02 PM
- 11-17-2011, 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf
- 11-17-2011, 01:47 PM
11-17-2011, 02:18 PM
Which, really, assuming you stick to the same exact routine and schedule without fail for an extended period of time, ie. 6 months or more, is eventually going to level out and all things will be equal as by that long you will have established consistent levels and release no matter what dose you are injecting.
11-17-2011, 03:28 PM
I always thought if you didnt pin IM the oil would be usless....
and how long of a slin pin are we talking here?? 5/8's?
11-17-2011, 06:30 PM
Prohormones show up as the same thing in a drug test....considering that they are precursors to REAL aas so you might as well get better results with less sides with the real ****....and there are lots of careers who could give a **** less about aas!Originally Posted by Marcinator
11-17-2011, 08:47 PM
pro hormones are the same side effects as androgenic/anabolic steroids.
and if you dont get good conversion, you have even less side effects, or no side effects of aas.
only dumbassses think prohormone side effects are any different than the parent compounds they convert into. you should slap yourself for even thinking such a thought.
11-17-2011, 08:59 PM
Do job tests really check for aas and if they did wouldn't they have to check for sh1t load of metabolites considering how many different compounds There r?Originally Posted by locoelvis
11-17-2011, 09:01 PM
11-17-2011, 10:42 PM
The SAME side effects? WOW ok so a methylated oral that converts into trenbolone has the same sides as regular trenbolone? NO THERE'S MORE SIDES BC OF THE METHYLATION DIP****!Originally Posted by jbryand101b
11-17-2011, 10:46 PM
My liver enzymes on finaflex 550xd were literally TRIPLE as high as they were on 500mg cyp, 250mg tren ace and I was on a ****ing arsenal of liver support supps. As a matter of fact on every injectable cycle I have ever taken my liver levels are always normal on my mid cycle bloodwork! You are WRONG my friend!
11-17-2011, 11:42 PM
11-18-2011, 12:25 AM
The side effects of trenbolone are worse than oral tren.Originally Posted by locoelvis
You don't get night sweats, libido loss as much, progestin sides, etc on oral tren like real stuff. And oral tren isn't methylated there genius, though it still affects the liver
Probably shouldn't talk crap and insult people when you are wrong as well.
11-18-2011, 08:40 AM
11-18-2011, 10:46 AM
Ok so i really didn't want to come in here and say this, i thought people would get that it's a discussion on how to possibly run a modified "Blast and Cruise" method for orals... not to come in here and preach about oral use like the OP is 17.
It's obvious what kind of a thread this is, it's NOT a thread to come in and preach injecting over orals, or the toxicity of orals, or whatever the hell else you think you want to preach about. Let's stick to the damn topic.
Oh and for those of you saying: "Well random bro who is a cop injects and i know that other cops inject..." This means nothing. Orals are NOT the same as injecting as far as law enforcement goes. You don't know what you're talking about if you're going to talk to me about law. Trust me. So don't even go there.
Now, glad to see this thread has basically gotten back on topic thanks again to jbry. Seriously guys, stop trying to shove needles down people throats because that's ALL YOU KNOW. Use your heads and have an intelligent discussion about something else.
11-18-2011, 12:07 PM
There are no methylated pro hormones that convert into tren idiot.Originally Posted by locoelvis
But, if there was, it would convert into methylated trenbolone, and have the same sides as methyl tren, because it would be methyl tren. Duh.
11-18-2011, 12:15 PM
Now you are comparing an oral pro hormone to dienolone & superdrol with injectable testosterone &trenbolone?Originally Posted by locoelvis
You should stop talking, you are making yourself look dumber with each post,
11-18-2011, 12:21 PM
I never knew injectable steroids were passed through the liver.
Maybe I should stick with orals then since injects are just as harsh on the liver.........................
11-18-2011, 12:24 PM
Injectables avoid first pass metabolism, but everything is filtered through the liver in the end. So for injectable orals like dbol and winstdol, you skip the small intestines and first pass through the liver, but it will still get filtered through the liver and kidneys just like everything else.
Same amount is filtered in the liver either way, just more is going to make it to the androgen receptors initially.
11-18-2011, 12:27 PM
11-18-2011, 12:33 PM
you mean most non methylated, ethylated steroids aren't as hepatotoxic as methylated/ ethylated ones.Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
11-18-2011, 12:34 PM
11-18-2011, 12:36 PM
I'm not arguing, I'm right, he's mistaken, I'm just having fun. Lol.Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
11-18-2011, 12:37 PM
11-18-2011, 12:44 PM
If it's in your blood it will get filtered by your liver and kidneys. The difference is, like said earlier, injects aren't processed by the liver the first time because they aren't ingested
11-18-2011, 01:13 PM
11-18-2011, 01:53 PM
if you're going to blast and cruise on orals you might as well just run back to back cycles with short breaks (maybe 3-4 weeks) to let the body heal (to some degree) IMO. Another benefit to this is you might make more gains in the long run because being on hormones constantly, well, you don't gain sh*t past weeks 8-10 without a break from the roids
--SD weeks 1-4
--break weeks 5-7 - you should be able to net 5-10lbs by the end of the break (you'd net less weight as time goes on obv)
--EPI weeks 8-12
--break weeks 9 to whatever
...and so on
And subQ works i've ran whole cycles like this but they are simple low volume cycles meaning less cc's/week
but when you get to the level of injecting multiple compounds and incorporating shorter esters which equates to lot's of cc's/week it's a stupid way to run a cycle IME
11-18-2011, 02:20 PM
The first gen tren prohormone was methylated the second gen isn't. My bloodwork proves orals are harsher on the body than injectables but if you idiots want to go **** yourselves up be my guess....
11-18-2011, 02:46 PM
11-18-2011, 02:54 PM
no they werent. if you still disagree, show me one "tren" aka, pro dienolone ph that is/was methylated.
the trn products from alri an others, with the methoxytrienbolone at 2mg or w/e were mis labeled, and only contained plain trenbolone, this has been confirmed by patrick arnold and others. how much trenbolone powder was in each capsule, who knows.
what is known is trenbolone and other 19nor modified steroids like dienolone (what the popular tren products like x-tren convert to) have decent oral bioavailability d/t their structure.
this is the cause for raised enzymes in the liver during oral administration.
the only dienolone product that was methylated was m1d, aka, methyl dienolone, which was banned back in 05, but it was never called tren or methyl tren.
you must not be able to read well, because no one has said once oral methylated steroids are less hepatotoxic than non methylated ones.
you keep using the terms oral & injectable, and i believe this is why you are confused, as it is not a matter or oral or injectable, but instead how the compound has been modified structurally (like methylated, ethylated, etc)
11-18-2011, 03:17 PM
I like chocolate milks strategy but with the addition of clomid in between each blast. But that's basically cycling with no time in between each cycle.
Jbry, i dont think people understand the vast differences that seem to all fall under the term "orals". Well clearly they don't.
11-18-2011, 04:16 PM
11-18-2011, 04:19 PM
01-07-2012, 05:33 PM
most guys lift weights and take anabolics to gain muscle mass ,once you gain a good amount of muscle your natty test levels cant support this---so unless you want to keep "chasing your tail" blast-n-cruise works,
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