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    The TS clearly said he doesn't "want to jeopardize my career". Any injectable would not be exactly "legal" and thus would be putting his career - his livelihood - on the line. Anyone here who has a "career" and not simply a "job" knows that's your life... you can't mess with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf

    So easy. Although is there any difference in IM over Sub-Q as far as effectiveness, recovery, and muscular growth?
    Have you injected subq? Can you explain the slin pin experience a little? Like where, how much at once, do you draw up with the same pin, and estimated time to inject?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    So easy. Although is there any difference in IM over Sub-Q as far as effectiveness, recovery, and muscular growth?
    Wait, so you guys pin test or any AAS IM with a slin pin?? Would the oil even get into the muslce??? or sub Q??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    Wait, so you guys pin test or any AAS IM with a slin pin?? Would the oil even get into the muslce??? or sub Q??
    It DOES work actually. It's a great option for the trt crowd who is very paranoid/gun shy about needles. Really the only difference is the absorption time from what I understand. It takes longer for the body to absorb and utilize the oil when done sub q than when done IM. So yah, you still get the same amount, the difference is in how it is released over the esters period of time in the body.

    Which, really, assuming you stick to the same exact routine and schedule without fail for an extended period of time, ie. 6 months or more, is eventually going to level out and all things will be equal as by that long you will have established consistent levels and release no matter what dose you are injecting.
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    I always thought if you didnt pin IM the oil would be usless....

    and how long of a slin pin are we talking here?? 5/8's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcinator
    The TS clearly said he doesn't "want to jeopardize my career". Any injectable would not be exactly "legal" and thus would be putting his career - his livelihood - on the line. Anyone here who has a "career" and not simply a "job" knows that's your life... you can't mess with that.
    Prohormones show up as the same thing in a drug test....considering that they are precursors to REAL aas so you might as well get better results with less sides with the real ****....and there are lots of careers who could give a **** less about aas!
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    pro hormones are the same side effects as androgenic/anabolic steroids.

    and if you dont get good conversion, you have even less side effects, or no side effects of aas.

    only dumbassses think prohormone side effects are any different than the parent compounds they convert into. you should slap yourself for even thinking such a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locoelvis

    Prohormones show up as the same thing in a drug test....considering that they are precursors to REAL aas so you might as well get better results with less sides with the real ****....and there are lots of careers who could give a **** less about aas!
    Do job tests really check for aas and if they did wouldn't they have to check for sh1t load of metabolites considering how many different compounds There r?
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    i dont know of any jobs that check for steroid hormones, unless you job is an athlete of some kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    pro hormones are the same side effects as androgenic/anabolic steroids.

    and if you dont get good conversion, you have even less side effects, or no side effects of aas.

    only dumbassses think prohormone side effects are any different than the parent compounds they convert into. you should slap yourself for even thinking such a thought.
    The SAME side effects? WOW ok so a methylated oral that converts into trenbolone has the same sides as regular trenbolone? NO THERE'S MORE SIDES BC OF THE METHYLATION DIP****!
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    My liver enzymes on finaflex 550xd were literally TRIPLE as high as they were on 500mg cyp, 250mg tren ace and I was on a ****ing arsenal of liver support supps. As a matter of fact on every injectable cycle I have ever taken my liver levels are always normal on my mid cycle bloodwork! You are WRONG my friend!
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    Finaflex 550XD is 10mg SD, 25mg tren in each cap and has a AI, bromo or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by locoelvis
    My liver enzymes on finaflex 550xd were literally TRIPLE as high as they were on 500mg cyp, 250mg tren ace and I was on a ****ing arsenal of liver support supps. As a matter of fact on every injectable cycle I have ever taken my liver levels are always normal on my mid cycle bloodwork! You are WRONG my friend!
    The side effects of trenbolone are worse than oral tren.

    You don't get night sweats, libido loss as much, progestin sides, etc on oral tren like real stuff. And oral tren isn't methylated there genius, though it still affects the liver

    Probably shouldn't talk crap and insult people when you are wrong as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    It DOES work actually. It's a great option for the trt crowd who is very paranoid/gun shy about needles. Really the only difference is the absorption time from what I understand. It takes longer for the body to absorb and utilize the oil when done sub q than when done IM. So yah, you still get the same amount, the difference is in how it is released over the esters period of time in the body.

    Which, really, assuming you stick to the same exact routine and schedule without fail for an extended period of time, ie. 6 months or more, is eventually going to level out and all things will be equal as by that long you will have established consistent levels and release no matter what dose you are injecting.
    Probably better off using a faster acting oil if pinning sub q

    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    I always thought if you didnt pin IM the oil would be usless....

    and how long of a slin pin are we talking here?? 5/8's?
    I haven't done it......but I would just use the 30 or 31g. Nothing different than what I would use for peptides.
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    Ok so i really didn't want to come in here and say this, i thought people would get that it's a discussion on how to possibly run a modified "Blast and Cruise" method for orals... not to come in here and preach about oral use like the OP is 17.

    It's obvious what kind of a thread this is, it's NOT a thread to come in and preach injecting over orals, or the toxicity of orals, or whatever the hell else you think you want to preach about. Let's stick to the damn topic.

    Oh and for those of you saying: "Well random bro who is a cop injects and i know that other cops inject..." This means nothing. Orals are NOT the same as injecting as far as law enforcement goes. You don't know what you're talking about if you're going to talk to me about law. Trust me. So don't even go there.

    Now, glad to see this thread has basically gotten back on topic thanks again to jbry. Seriously guys, stop trying to shove needles down people throats because that's ALL YOU KNOW. Use your heads and have an intelligent discussion about something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by locoelvis

    The SAME side effects? WOW ok so a methylated oral that converts into trenbolone has the same sides as regular trenbolone? NO THERE'S MORE SIDES BC OF THE METHYLATION DIP****!
    There are no methylated pro hormones that convert into tren idiot.
    But, if there was, it would convert into methylated trenbolone, and have the same sides as methyl tren, because it would be methyl tren. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locoelvis
    My liver enzymes on finaflex 550xd were literally TRIPLE as high as they were on 500mg cyp, 250mg tren ace and I was on a ****ing arsenal of liver support supps. As a matter of fact on every injectable cycle I have ever taken my liver levels are always normal on my mid cycle bloodwork! You are WRONG my friend!
    Now you are comparing an oral pro hormone to dienolone & superdrol with injectable testosterone &trenbolone?
    You should stop talking, you are making yourself look dumber with each post,
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    I never knew injectable steroids were passed through the liver.
    Maybe I should stick with orals then since injects are just as harsh on the liver.........................
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    Injectables avoid first pass metabolism, but everything is filtered through the liver in the end. So for injectable orals like dbol and winstdol, you skip the small intestines and first pass through the liver, but it will still get filtered through the liver and kidneys just like everything else.
    Same amount is filtered in the liver either way, just more is going to make it to the androgen receptors initially.
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    So obviously injects aren't nearly as hard on the liver as a methylated PH
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
    So obviously injects aren't nearly as hard on the liver as a methylated PH
    you mean most non methylated, ethylated steroids aren't as hepatotoxic as methylated/ ethylated ones.
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    Interesting.
    This guy you are arguing with is confusing the hell out of me lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
    Interesting.
    This guy you are arguing with is confusing the hell out of me lol.
    I'm not arguing, I'm right, he's mistaken, I'm just having fun. Lol.
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    This is good reading regardless lol
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    If it's in your blood it will get filtered by your liver and kidneys. The difference is, like said earlier, injects aren't processed by the liver the first time because they aren't ingested
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    If we can at least keep it to actual information i'll be happy lol.
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    if you're going to blast and cruise on orals you might as well just run back to back cycles with short breaks (maybe 3-4 weeks) to let the body heal (to some degree) IMO. Another benefit to this is you might make more gains in the long run because being on hormones constantly, well, you don't gain sh*t past weeks 8-10 without a break from the roids

    ex/

    --SD weeks 1-4
    --break weeks 5-7 - you should be able to net 5-10lbs by the end of the break (you'd net less weight as time goes on obv)
    --EPI weeks 8-12
    --break weeks 9 to whatever
    ...and so on

    And subQ works i've ran whole cycles like this but they are simple low volume cycles meaning less cc's/week

    but when you get to the level of injecting multiple compounds and incorporating shorter esters which equates to lot's of cc's/week it's a stupid way to run a cycle IME
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    The first gen tren prohormone was methylated the second gen isn't. My bloodwork proves orals are harsher on the body than injectables but if you idiots want to go **** yourselves up be my guess....
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    Quote Originally Posted by locoelvis View Post
    The first gen tren prohormone was methylated the second gen isn't. My bloodwork proves orals are harsher on the body than injectables but if you idiots want to go **** yourselves up be my guess....
    i dont think anyone around here thinks orals are better/ez-er on your body than inj's
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    no they werent. if you still disagree, show me one "tren" aka, pro dienolone ph that is/was methylated.

    the trn products from alri an others, with the methoxytrienbolone at 2mg or w/e were mis labeled, and only contained plain trenbolone, this has been confirmed by patrick arnold and others. how much trenbolone powder was in each capsule, who knows.

    what is known is trenbolone and other 19nor modified steroids like dienolone (what the popular tren products like x-tren convert to) have decent oral bioavailability d/t their structure.
    this is the cause for raised enzymes in the liver during oral administration.

    the only dienolone product that was methylated was m1d, aka, methyl dienolone, which was banned back in 05, but it was never called tren or methyl tren.

    you must not be able to read well, because no one has said once oral methylated steroids are less hepatotoxic than non methylated ones.

    you keep using the terms oral & injectable, and i believe this is why you are confused, as it is not a matter or oral or injectable, but instead how the compound has been modified structurally (like methylated, ethylated, etc)
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    I like chocolate milks strategy but with the addition of clomid in between each blast. But that's basically cycling with no time in between each cycle.

    Jbry, i dont think people understand the vast differences that seem to all fall under the term "orals". Well clearly they don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I like chocolate milks strategy but with the addition of clomid in between each blast. But that's basically cycling with no time in between each cycle.

    Jbry, i dont think people understand the vast differences that seem to all fall under the term "orals". Well clearly they don't.
    very true.

    clomid in between blasts will get the testes somehwat operational before another blast. i imagine this would help in the long run the same way hCG does to prevent damage due to prolonged atrophy.
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    i like my way better, but you'd need to have a boat load of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    cruising with 4-ad/transaderm
    then blast, adding in something like sd at 20-30mg for 4-3 weeks while still running the 4ad/transaderm,
    then continue cruising with 4ad/transaderm
    It wouldnt be cost effective
    you could make that a 11-12 week cycle too if you wanted.
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    most guys lift weights and take anabolics to gain muscle mass ,once you gain a good amount of muscle your natty test levels cant support this---so unless you want to keep "chasing your tail" blast-n-cruise works,
  

  
 

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