Blast and Cruise on Orals [Discussion]
- 11-16-2011, 04:57 PM
- 11-16-2011, 05:13 PM
"blasting and cruising" on NON methylated products would be too damn pricey for the amount it would take to "BLAST" for results. Perhaps you could "blast" for 2-3 weeks on a cheap methyl oral and "cruise" on an unmethylated hormone....that cruising period would still be pricey considering blasting and cruising is considered a year around endeavor.
AndroSeries is safer than 17aa orals and also has minimal suppression from the once-a-day dosing, but very COSTLY.....I would be that "cruising" on 3-4 AndroMass or Bulk would be great and last 6-8 weeks...it might work out to bet equal pricing to dosing a "pstanz" or similar product since absorption sucks...
11-16-2011, 06:13 PM
11-16-2011, 06:27 PM
I think a cruising dose would be 5 caps....175-250mgs into a 60 caps bottle so a 12 day supply for ?$40???? (not sure of price) over 80 bucks a month.....
AndroMass cruising dose 3-4 softels lasting 40-60 days.....not too much a difference I suppose.....
11-16-2011, 06:34 PM
Pstanz has 50mg per cap, with 90 caps.
Andro mass, which I have ran, is okay for cruising at 6 caps ed, and for a cycle would be best at 9-12 caps ed.
1 bottle will only last 4 weeks, at 200$. (unless you get bogo deal)
Two bottles of pstanz will give you 300mg for 4 weeks @ about 50-60$.
11-16-2011, 08:04 PM
You can inject sc and im. There was even a recent study that showed it was just as effective.
Remember tom prince? His liver failure was directly related to using orals for a long time. Also, masswithclass, an npc competitor on several boards, died from orals overuse. He even talked about it weeks before how death. That was back in 04-05 I believe.
Point being, stick with injectables as your main source of gear, and only orals as the icing on the cake. It's the safe thing to do.
11-16-2011, 08:47 PM
11-16-2011, 09:13 PM
what about crusing with low dose 11-oxo? it is not supressive, but I don't know if you can recover while on it. it would be a normal cycle followed by PCT to being natural production up along with 350mg 11-oxo.
Another alternative is 10 week epi pulse.
11-16-2011, 09:26 PM
The term blast and cruise refers to being on steroids year round and only lowering the dose during the cruise phase... You do not cruise with nolvadex, creatine, daa, letro, 11oxo, dhea, etc...
11-16-2011, 09:37 PM
11-17-2011, 03:34 AM
Overall, long term effects of injectibles are more known than designers which don't go under scutiny as much. Sure some are just as dangerous, but at least it's studied and documented. I wasn't trying to say definitively that injectables are better, sorry if I came off like that. I check forums after a long day sometimes and just type stuff.
As for DAA, an AI is not required. not saying that using one wouldn't be beneficial, but a prescription strength AI would be a bit strong IMO for DAA. something like resveratrol or eating a ton of broccoli might suffice. In any case, only a blood test will tell you for sure.
if you run a 10wk injectable, and 4wk PCT, that's 14wks, off time should equal at least 14 wks, so total time for an injectable cycle would be 28 weeks. That's what I was trying to get at. Also, aside from multis and whatnot, you don't really need a liver protectant on injectables, and you would only need PCT twice a year vs a strictly oral cycle where your liver is being taxed constantly. I'm assuming the cycle will be relatively simple w/ just test at conservative levels.
in any case... there's nothing wrong w/ orals, just I've found it more expensive and taxing to cover all your bases. Some ppl don't run it with all the support supplements, but I did, and it added to the expense.
11-17-2011, 08:41 AM
11-17-2011, 10:09 AM
11-17-2011, 10:13 AM
The only things you should cruise and blast on are test and growth IMO....your body already makes it. Your body does not make designer steroids or prohormones YOU WILL **** YOURSELF UP taking all of those oral!
11-17-2011, 11:47 AM
11-17-2011, 12:02 PM
The TS clearly said he doesn't "want to jeopardize my career". Any injectable would not be exactly "legal" and thus would be putting his career - his livelihood - on the line. Anyone here who has a "career" and not simply a "job" knows that's your life... you can't mess with that.
11-17-2011, 01:29 PM
Have you injected subq? Can you explain the slin pin experience a little? Like where, how much at once, do you draw up with the same pin, and estimated time to inject?Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf
11-17-2011, 01:47 PM
11-17-2011, 02:18 PM
Which, really, assuming you stick to the same exact routine and schedule without fail for an extended period of time, ie. 6 months or more, is eventually going to level out and all things will be equal as by that long you will have established consistent levels and release no matter what dose you are injecting.
11-17-2011, 03:28 PM
I always thought if you didnt pin IM the oil would be usless....
and how long of a slin pin are we talking here?? 5/8's?
11-17-2011, 06:30 PM
Prohormones show up as the same thing in a drug test....considering that they are precursors to REAL aas so you might as well get better results with less sides with the real ****....and there are lots of careers who could give a **** less about aas!Originally Posted by Marcinator
11-17-2011, 08:47 PM
pro hormones are the same side effects as androgenic/anabolic steroids.
and if you dont get good conversion, you have even less side effects, or no side effects of aas.
only dumbassses think prohormone side effects are any different than the parent compounds they convert into. you should slap yourself for even thinking such a thought.
11-17-2011, 08:59 PM
Do job tests really check for aas and if they did wouldn't they have to check for sh1t load of metabolites considering how many different compounds There r?Originally Posted by locoelvis
11-17-2011, 09:01 PM
11-17-2011, 10:42 PM
The SAME side effects? WOW ok so a methylated oral that converts into trenbolone has the same sides as regular trenbolone? NO THERE'S MORE SIDES BC OF THE METHYLATION DIP****!Originally Posted by jbryand101b
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