m 14ad conversion percentage
- 08-14-2004, 07:23 PM
- 08-14-2004, 07:28 PM
i think i remember reading %15, not sure though, hopefully someone can confirm or deny
- 08-14-2004, 08:30 PM
so if i were taking 100 mgs a day it would be like taking 15 mgs of d-bol a day. Holy crap Id have to take like 350 mgs of m14 a day to jumpstart my cycle.
08-14-2004, 08:32 PM
M1,4ADD should have intrinsic properties of it's own, so you'll be getting whatever converts to DBOL plus the effects of the extra M1,4 that doesn't convert. Much like 4AD and testosterone.
08-14-2004, 08:46 PM
hey ss what is the highest you have run m14 at im thinking about 200 mgs is that enough?
08-14-2004, 08:58 PM
I've gone up to 100mg, and I loved it. Too bad I only had one bottle of DS tabs, 900mg total. I think I started at 60mg and went up to 100mg after a couple days, 2 weeks total. Just ask Lean One, if you're taking high enough of a dose, it takes no time at all to kick in. Safe to say that 200mg will be ****ing awesome!
08-14-2004, 09:23 PM
I would like to try it at a high dose like that...the only time I tried it I never went that high.Originally Posted by supersoldier
08-14-2004, 10:13 PM
I started at 60mgs and went to 150mgs, I have heard people using as high as 250mgs. If the 15% conversion is correct thats about right for a full d-bol dose.
08-14-2004, 10:31 PM
I think the person who used 250mgs (supposedly) was nsruffryder34, so take that for what it's worth.Originally Posted by Neuromancer
08-14-2004, 10:43 PM
08-15-2004, 03:28 AM
I am currently doing 160 mg a day. I have to say the stuff works pretty well. I put 25 lbs on my bench in 2 weeks. I also noticed the stuff really bumps up recovery rates as well.
08-15-2004, 03:29 AM
Any one had liver values checked and have an idea how hard it is on the liver?
08-15-2004, 03:48 AM
To start off my last cycle, I did between 150-200 mgs a day, and loved it. Almost no sides. A lot of wood though, so your girlfriend/wife may be some trouble!! (Enegizer Bunny remark)
I too had minimal DOMS and QUICK recovery.
PS- My question is, does anybody know HOW LONG THE CONVERSION PROCESS IS? I think the half-life of D-Ball is around 4 hours, but it doesn't convert; so I wonder how long M 1, 4 takes.
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
08-15-2004, 02:11 PM
ewwww....Originally Posted by supersoldier
08-15-2004, 02:52 PM
at 160 lbs. i only took 80mg's and loved it. insane strength and body composition changes. took it with super one +
08-15-2004, 03:03 PM
im just shy of 200 and i am planning on jump starting my cycle with 200-250 mgs a day and see how that works.
08-15-2004, 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by dickwootton
Holy ****....you'll have to change your name to Dick-Wooden
So what are you stacking it with?
08-15-2004, 03:49 PM
I thought 20 mg for a dbol dose was good enough?. So that would mean 150 mg of m1,4 would be 22.5 mg of dbol.Originally Posted by Neuromancer
08-15-2004, 04:19 PM
Im stacking it with test prop for the first 4 weeks 1 test cyp at 1 gram, sledge test at approx. 2 grams for about 12 weeks and finishing with either m4ohn or superbol. Then full pct and igf-1Originally Posted by SJA
08-15-2004, 05:28 PM
I am not really an expert on steroids but from what I have read the dosage for dbol is usually 20 to 50 mg.I thought 20 mg for a dbol dose was good enough?. So that would mean 150 mg of m1,4 would be 22.5 mg of dbol.
08-15-2004, 07:19 PM
Bump to this question. SS (or anyone else) any lab test the two weeks you were on it... although I understand those tests would be slightly skewed by all the other things you were on at the timeOriginally Posted by VanillaGorilla
08-15-2004, 08:58 PM
I have always heard about the same 30mgs and up.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
08-15-2004, 09:07 PM
I did 45mgs of dbol once, and my forearms would get so pumped I had a hard time holding onto stuff... i guess you can have too much of a good thing sometimes.
08-16-2004, 12:25 AM
Okay, now there was a reason I didn't post my labs while on 100mg of M1,4ADD. I was also using M1T with it. Let's just say my lab results were scary. Both AST and ALT in the low-mid 200s. LDH was like 350 or so. GGT was not elevated, somewhere around 14. HDL was around 12. While I would say without a doubt that M1T is much, much more toxic, I've never seen my enzymes go nearly as high as they did with the combination of those two.Originally Posted by cookmic5
08-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Geeze SS those are some scary numbers.
08-16-2004, 01:26 PM
Despite it's conversion to Dbol, I haven't seen anyone report problems with gyno from m1,4ad. I guess most people who have used it probably haven't taken it at high enough levels for this to be an issue, but maybe 15% conversion is a little high. It also doesn't seem like the gains come as quickly as they should with 15% conversion.
I've never taken Dbol and am no expert on it, just throwing out an idea.
08-17-2004, 08:24 PM
After 25 days at 120 mgs ed my values were:AST 86,ALT 169,GGT 54.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
08-17-2004, 08:59 PM
If anyone's intrested, I am currently dosing 250-300 a day with 1400mg 4ADcyp/wk. After 2 weeks, I'm up 10lbs and I feel like a ****ing god!
2 more weeks and I throw in the tren. hehehe
08-17-2004, 09:16 PM
08-17-2004, 09:22 PM
Nice Lean One, I am going to be running 200-300 mgs of it with 2000mgs of "Sledge Test" along with 1000mgs of 1-test cyp! I will run the m14add for about 6 weeks at that dose, and then switch to m4ohn at 40 mgs a day for about eight weeks after that for a total of 14 weeks. I will be running the sledge test, and 1-test cyp the entire time.
08-17-2004, 10:21 PM
Isn't 14 weeks kind of long from running methyls?Nice Lean One, I am going to be running 200-300 mgs of it with 2000mgs of "Sledge Test" along with 1000mgs of 1-test cyp! I will run the m14add for about 6 weeks at that dose, and then switch to m4ohn at 40 mgs a day for about eight weeks after that for a total of 14 weeks. I will be running the sledge test, and 1-test cyp the entire time
08-18-2004, 08:01 AM
I'm doing a cycle at the moment. went from 70mg ed to 120mg ed, I can feel the difference big time!! I'm at 245lb's so I need the higher dose I guess.
I'm on week 5 now, was thinking of doing 6 weeks, but now I'd like to extend it to 8. Anyone think that would be a problem??
08-18-2004, 09:55 AM
M4ohn should be ran for atleast 6 weeks, and is a relatively mild compound, so I don't see a problem with running it this long. I may shorten the m14add I haven't decided.Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
08-18-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Lean One
250-300 of M1,4?. How long are you gonna stay on for?. Also what do you mean by 250-300? Do you mean 8-10 of the 30 mg m1,4?. How do you decide whether your are gonna take 8 or 10 of them each day?
08-18-2004, 08:44 PM
I got a 40mg/ml homebrew. 2ml per dose. (80 mg). I was dosing 3x/day, but I decided to up it to 4. So I'm looking at320mg/day. At a 15% conversion rate, I'm getting 48mg mg D-Bol. I havn't decided if I am going to drop it when I add the tren. My cycly will last 10 weeks tops, so if I keep it all the way through it will not be that big of a deal.Originally Posted by T-Bone
Oh yeah, as of this morning, I'm up 12 lbs. I love this ****. Thank you Sldge.
08-19-2004, 12:23 AM
can you post your recipe for your 40 mg/ml m14?
08-19-2004, 04:24 AM
4 grams M14ADD to evry 100ml PEG400. Shake and bake for 30 min at 225 degrees. Holds in solution nice.Originally Posted by dickwootton
08-19-2004, 11:18 AM
08-19-2004, 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Lean One
It can't be 15% then. I just think thats a little high. You would be raving a lot more about it if it was actually 15%. I've used a lot of different ph/ps and only one product I used actually worked!. All these new methyl products seem to be extremely underdosed except for the M1T, but I don't like that **** anyway...
08-19-2004, 02:03 PM
Sorry to sound so negative, I live in a one bedroom apartment on the 2nd floor with no ac!. So I have an excuse!
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