Just got labs back...need some input
05-19-2011 05:59 PM
Just got labs back...need some input
Just got my labs back today after 60 days on HRT. I take 1.25ml of 150ml/mg Test and DHEA transdermal cream ed applied straight to the boys and .5mg Arimidex MWF.
I also take all the usuals: multi, protein, preworkout, phospha (post workout), joint support, 5000ui D3, 10mg ed creatine mono, and 10mg ed Taurine. Diet is 3000 cal/day clean. Workouts are brutal - 4 days a week. Minimal cardio.
I'm 32, 225 lbs, 13% bf with a baseline test level of 430 ish.
After 60 days on the above protocol, here are the results:
Free Test: 478
Dihrydrotestosterone: 244 (this is not a typo)
I took these labs the day before I started a Helladrol cycle at 100mg ed on top of my HRT. I am now at 2 weeks 3 days into the 6 week cycle. I also run N2Guard while on cycle. This is my first cycle of anything.
Dihydro seems off the charts to me, and estrogen seems high based on the Arimidex I'm already taking.
Also of interest is that my cholosterol ratio is off, high bad cholesterol, my red blood cell count is high (6.04), and I am low in Ferritin.
Looking for some thoughts on these numbers and also some feedback as to whether or not I should discontinue use of the Helladrol. Must say, aside from from shrinkage in the nuts, I feel like a beast. Minor acne, but no mood swings, no lethargy, and libido is crazy high - though it seemed higher (uncontrollably so at times, my poor gf) prior to starting the Helladrol.
Thanks for reading.
05-19-2011 06:18 PM
if your test was 430, then why did you start HRT?
05-19-2011 06:23 PM
I don't see any reason to discontinue cycle although you should consider dropping Hella dose to 50-75mg.
How frequently do you inject?
05-19-2011 07:36 PM
No libido, no energy, no drive, moody as hell...all went away with HRT. 430 might not be considered clinically low, but the HRT has made a WORLD of difference in my day-to-day - I feel like I'm 21.
And no injections...transdermal cream applied daily.
05-19-2011 07:54 PM
Id stay with 75 mg of hella. The transdermal is helping u already
05-19-2011 08:55 PM
No concern then with the DHT or the Estro levels? So much contradicting info on DHT, not sure if I should look into supressing it for hairs sake or if supressing it will limit gains...
05-19-2011 09:06 PM
No issue with estrogen levels.
Originally Posted by BadSeed
I don't know what normal DHT levels should be but it is not anabolic so suppressing it will not limit gains.
Someone recently said applying DHEA cream to the nuts gets a lot of DHT conversion. High test levels might raise DHT levels also so those two are probably the reason.
Transdermal DHEA can be applied to the shoulders and back area as well. You can try that.
05-20-2011 09:52 AM
Gonna knock the dosage down on the Hdrol and add Hawthorn and Saw Palmetto, run labs again in about 4 weeks. Thanks for the input fellas, very much appreciated.
05-20-2011 02:14 PM
Could one run something with DHEA in it, such as topical dermacrine, at two pumps a day applied to the scrotum for anti-e affects? Could this aide in a PCT? Currently on day 9, torem, unleashed, reduce xt, OSTA, letro eod, forma... Just wondering if a pump or two on my nuts will help anything... nothing to complain about, though...
05-20-2011 02:16 PM
If rubbing Dermacrine on the scrotum gets a good amount of DHT conversion than it should lower estrogen.
Originally Posted by Sklander
But you get a good amount of androgen conversion from it so I wouldn't use it in PCT.
05-20-2011 02:19 PM
Okay, thanks. I'll keep it mind for on cycle in the future.
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