Upcoming First Cycle: Helladrol
- 04-25-2011, 01:48 AM
Upcoming First Cycle: Helladrol
Hey bros, I was just wanting to get some review on my upcoming cycle to see if I'm missing anything. This will be my first PH and I'm just making sure I have everything covered. (Staples such as protein powder, BCAA's, Cissus, fish oil, etc aren't listed).
Height: 5' 11"
My specific questions are:
Am I missing anything?
Macronutrient wise, what is the best guidelines for numbers (P/C/F) to aim for with a recomposition goal in mind, or even a lean bulk?
When are the optimal times to dose the Helladrol and the Taurine?
Should the TestoPro start on the first day of the PCT, or at the beginning of week 3...I've seen both suggested.
I also have a bottle of Erase that I picked up for $10. I'm assuming save it for a later date, or would it have a place in the PCT?
I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but for now, thank you for your time.
- 04-25-2011, 11:45 PM
04-26-2011, 12:12 AM
start all PCT stuff day 1, cissus may be able to keep cortisol down but I would run the bottle of erase @ 2 caps a day for 2wks and than drop it down to 1 pre WO. It should last a long time that way.
If you get any sides that you cant manage stop at 100mg.
Marco's 40.40.20. Pro carb fat. eat very clean cals and make sure they are at the right times of the day. Lots of cals 1st thing am and Post WO.
Take 2 caps of Hella 1st thing am and the other 1 pre WO. @ 100mg 2 1st things am, 2 pre WO, @125mg, 3 1st thing am and 2 pre WO. Take cycle assist at night before bed. Taurine pre WO.
GL, have fun
04-26-2011, 12:37 AM
04-26-2011, 12:46 AM
04-26-2011, 08:50 AM
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04-26-2011, 09:16 AM
At age 21 I'd recommend that you stay away from PH/AAS for a few years. You have plenty of room to grow naturally. I'd wait till at least 23,24,25 etc before making the jump.
However, should you choose not to heed that recommendation I have to recommend that you'd add some katanadrol (fura/orastan a) to this cycle since you said your goals were to recomp. I think you'd see some good results if you added in 4-6 weeks of it at 250mg. Probably bump the dose of helladrol up just a bit to 75/75/75/100/100/100. I would personally just run it at 100 the whole time.
04-26-2011, 01:25 PM
04-26-2011, 01:39 PM
I'm running this cycle (hella/katana) here after I finish my current logging obligation.
04-26-2011, 02:19 PM
04-26-2011, 05:06 PM
Alright, sounds good guys. I had my eye on the Katanadrol the whole time, so I think I'll add it in as well. Everything else stays the same when adding the second compound (PCT wise)?
04-26-2011, 07:03 PM
04-26-2011, 08:09 PM
I would run Katana with it like the others have suggested. I also would not run Hella over 100mg for a first cycle. Gains should be greast at 75-100mg and there should be no need to go higher. The dosing you put in your first post is exactly how I think you should run it. Everything else looks pretty good....good luck to you bro!!
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04-26-2011, 11:15 PM
How about dosages for both on a rest day?
I got my diet nailed down man as I already eat clean 100% of the time with meals consisting of 93/7 ground beef, baked skinless chicken breasts, sodium free tuna, boiled eggs, etc for proteins, Ezekiel bread (no flour for this guy), steel cut oats, and quinoa for carbs, and of course roasted salt-free almonds, natty almond and peanut butters for fats.
Any specific numbers you'd shoot for in relation to bodyweight?
Protein: 1.5-2g/lb, Carbs: 1-1.5g/lb, and fats at .5g/lb sound about right, or is there another direction you'd go?
04-26-2011, 11:25 PM
im not 100% sure on the half life of it so i let another rep tell you when to take them.
Up your pro & carbs. 2g's each
Dont take PH's after 6pm because it could mess with your sleep. You want to be sleeping great while ON for max gains.
Sh!tty sleep could ruin things
04-27-2011, 06:56 AM
Dose twice a day. Helladrols half life is around 12 hours and I am not sure on Katana but I'm pretty sure its shorter.
I would dose AM then 8-10 hours later. Just make sure and take your support supps 2-4 hours after dosing the compounds as it can block the androgen receptor and effect gains.
Rest days should be dosed just like training days
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04-27-2011, 09:18 AM
Just take your Katanadrol with food......the compound acts as a nutrient partitioner so you can space those out across the day with meals.
As far as helladrol goes I'd just dose it when you wake up and then again before you lift. If you're lifting in the morning, Dose before lifting and then again in the PM
04-27-2011, 01:09 PM
04-27-2011, 01:50 PM
04-27-2011, 02:07 PM
Also, for staple supps such as CLA, green tea, etc, would they be best taken with the Cycle support as well or can they be taken at the same time as the morning dosage of Hella/Katana?
04-27-2011, 05:04 PM
Work out at 6pm
1st am: hella, katan, green tea, cla, fish oil, etc
pre WO-hella, katan, green tea, cla, etc. etc
Bedtime- Cycle support
you want 3-5hrs between the dosing of your PH's and cycle support stuff. Your taking stuff 4 times a day
04-27-2011, 07:24 PM
As far as the katanadrol goes just hit it with whatever meals you like....definitely pre and post workout and the rest are up to you. My thinking is that katana is a non-methyl and isn't processed by the liver so the cycle support shouldn't mess up the absorption...could be wrong but I also think that whole "dose your PH separately from cycle support b/c it'll mess up absorption" is way over stated. Just take your $hit you'll be fine lol
05-18-2011, 02:05 PM
I also plan to continue using Cycle Support during the PCT as SERMS can be pretty toxic.
My question is will Erase be enough for the cortisol and estrogen control in the PCT alongside everything else?
Or would I be better off using a product strictly for cortisol such as Lean Extreme and waiting a few weeks before taking a product for the anti-estrogen as the SERM will bind to the estrogen receptor sites and the high estrogen will help kickstart test production?
I may be overkilling this, but I'm a guy that likes to research well in advance.
05-18-2011, 03:24 PM
good info in here, tag for my own reasons.
I'm currently on day three of a hdrol cycle, will be introducing katanadrol 2.0 starting week 3.
05-19-2011, 01:04 PM
05-19-2011, 01:22 PM
cycle looks well planned, you can dose katana(Orastan/Furuza) 300mg and higher but it gets expensive.
250/300/350/350/400 0r 250/350/350/350/350
07-31-2011, 04:06 PM
Just an update: Today marks the start of week 5 and I'm up to a solid 205 with it all appearing to be lean, and I'm really enjoying the cycle overall.
I have a few questions as the time for PCT approaches. The SERM is ready to go (Torem) starting on day one of PCT. As for the rest, I have quite the arsenal on hand for PCT purposes as I have good connections, so I'm just clarifying a few things in advance.
My main questions are:
1. Lean Xtreme: Would you advise starting this on the first day of PCT? Also, how many caps a day is ideal and what are the optimal times for dosing? I'm really excited about this product as I've heard good things and am anxious to give it a run.
2. Erase: I'm planning on waiting until at least the start of the 3rd week to start this AI as since the SERM is binding the receptors and the elevated levels will encourage the rise of natural testosterone. Is this the time that you would recommend starting? Also, once again, what dosage and best times to take it.
3. I also have PCT Assist on hand which has Ant-Estrogen properties to it. Would it be necessary with the Erase, and if you would recommend it, would you suggest I wait until the start of the Erase as well?
Once again, thanks for your time!
08-01-2011, 07:38 AM
08-01-2011, 09:37 AM
Great thread for starters I plan on starting the same cycle when I turn 20(I know), just researching for the meantime
Cycles are rather pricey and I haven't even found where to get a SERM yet :/
Always willing to learn :D
08-01-2011, 10:28 AM
Thanks again for the clarification man. I'm a big believer in being over prepared.Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf
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