Which PH's these days convert directly to Test only?

[Whacked]

Do any of the PH's convert directly to TEST only, the parent hormone as opposed to a cornucopia of all different "similar" Testosterone derivatives and analogues?

 

[jtterrible]

Andro Mass

 

[Whacked]

Yeah, good recommendation. I just read about it. The price is rather obnoxious though. Any others?

 

[nattydisaster]

The compound in andromass is the only one, and it requires multiple conversions. Unfortunately, the ones that were a direct conversion that gave great results were banned in the 2004 ban (Real 4-AD)

 

[hog928]

Dam the Ban what a terrible day

 

[Whacked]

Thanks Smarty Pants.

The compound in andromass is the only one, and it requires multiple conversions. Unfortunately, the ones that were a direct conversion that gave great results were banned in the 2004 ban (Real 4-AD)

 

[nattydisaster]

Check out transforms Forged Black Extreme - I sell the piss out of it and so far great results with little sides, not made anymore. google it you'll see a ton of listings.

Thats actually a pretty cool product. I like the Transform line

 

[Whacked]

Yeah, I like it too (excpet for the 17-aa part )

 

[T50]

AndroMass converts to Test and 1-Test if you're interested.

 

[Whacked]

Yeah, Im interested. But the price is INSANE! Wonder ifo they are going to offer some sort of introductory price!??

 

[jtterrible]

Yeah, Im interested. But the price is INSANE! Wonder ifo they are going to offer some sort of introductory price!??

PP reps can give you deals on it

 

[T50]

PP reps can give you deals on it

Word. PM a Primordial rep, they will hook you up.

 

[henryv]

Do any of the PH's convert directly to TEST only, the parent hormone as opposed to a cornucopia of all different "similar" Testosterone derivatives and analogues?

AMS 4AD

Andro Mass

That's a negative, ghost rider.

 

[Whacked]

Hmmmmm you sure??? Now Im all confused!

AMS 4AD



That's a negative, ghost rider.

 

[Rodja]

Hmmmmm you sure??? Now Im all confused!

Yes and no. One of the hormones (4-DHEA) does convert directly to test, but 1-DHEA converts to 1-test.

 

[ambulldog]

AMS 4AD



That's a negative, ghost rider.

4ad is garbage. wait and see the logs for andromass then decide

 

[T-Bone]

4ad is garbage. wait and see the logs for andromass then decide

I second that.

 

[hardknock]

4ad is garbage. wait and see the logs for andromass then decide

Although I do not condone derogatory comments toward another company's products, he, in so many words, is speaking the truth about the 4ad portion.

 

[hardknock]

Was it ever discussed concerning the absorption rate or the % of absorption of the 4-en-17-one. I am sure it probably was but I have been most absent here and there.

 

[henryv]

Yes and no. One of the hormones (4-DHEA) does convert directly to test, but 1-DHEA converts to 1-test.

Exactly. The OP asked for something that converts to test only and nothing else. He was quite clear about it.
4AD is the only thing that fits that bill. Andromass clearly doesn't.

 

[Whacked]

Good info. Thanks peeps

 

[Whacked]

So why are so many people trashing 4-AD???

 

[fatkid]

When will Andro Mass be available?

 

[hardknock]

Was it ever discussed concerning the absorption rate or the % of absorption of the 4-en-17-one. I am sure it probably was but I have been most absent here and there.

^Yeah, that question.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

So why are so many people trashing 4-AD???

I believe it simply won't convert at a high enough rate. For instance, with andromass, we use ester attachments (to allow for lymphatic system delivery) and 16oz of grapefruit juice equivalent per cap that inhibit an enzyme in the liver that metabolizes the compound before it can convert.

Also, the "real" 4AD was only one step behind testosterone. The new 4-AD is a two step conversion.

 

[henryv]

^Yeah, that question.

What do you mean by absorption rate.

 

[hardknock]

What do you mean by absorption rate.

i would like to know how effective the lymphatic delivery is ( ratios, statistical, etc.)

Also, they have added 16oz equivalent gfj, and they say that will result in a "better" conversion. What does "better" mean in scientific/statistical terms.

 

[T-Bone]

The real 4AD was trans-dermal was great. There has been nothing that comes even close to it since it was banned in 2004.

 

[MakaveliThaDon]

The real 4AD was trans-dermal was great. There has been nothing that comes even close to it since it was banned in 2004.

I never tried 4AD as it was always recommended as more of a mass builder, and I have been always been big, lol, I was always about leaning out more. That being said I've never....ever...EVER used anything since that has come close to the gains I saw on the original 1-test transdermal.

8 weeks cycles on that were the best thing I've ever experienced. How close was that stuff to actual test cyp for those of you that have ran it? I've never ran AAS before, only PH's.

 

[T-Bone]

I never tried 4AD as it was always recommended as more of a mass builder, and I have been always been big, lol, I was always about leaning out more. That being said I've never....ever...EVER used anything since that has come close to the gains I saw on the original 1-test transdermal.

8 weeks cycles on that were the best thing I've ever experienced. How close was that stuff to actual test cyp for those of you that have ran it? I've never ran AAS before, only PH's.

Yeah well stacking 1Test with 4AD trans-dermal was great. About 800mg of 1Test and 1000mg of 4AD!. That would make you feel 18 again!. Go to the gym squat, bench, come home and eat, sleep. You could still lean out using it, just depends on your caloric intake.

 

[Whacked]

Im sold on Andromass

Gonna get me some

 

[hardknock]

NVM, I found a writeup that says 85% more absorption over standard.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Im sold on Andromass

Gonna get me some

:firedevil:

 

[Bry17]

AMS 4AD

Exactly. The OP asked for something that converts to test only and nothing else.

4-androstenedione converts to estrone It's probably miniscule, so this^ is right.

 

[Sklander]

Really looking forward to trying the andromass. Some gains that will stay with you for a long long while.

 

[rulk22]

% of absorption refering to Andromass should be 85.

 

[tang12]

11 Sterone? Anyone else remember reading this?

 

[gymrat827]

11 Sterone? Anyone else remember reading this?

no







wouldnt Dermacrine do it??

 

[tang12]

Im not disagreeing with you cause obviously I am not 100% sure but 11 sterone converts to 11-ketotestosterone

wiki>
11-Ketotestosterone is an oxidized form of testosterone that contains a keto group at position-11. It is related to adrenosterone

Again I could be way off here.

 

[princeshock]

ill buy it if the reviews are awesome for andromass. Even with the rep discount its still around 100$, not all of us can afford 100 dollars added to the bills and ontop of that we wont just want to run it for the 4 weeks, we will want to do it for more than that if its awesome since its none liver toxic..so ill probobly be able to barely afford it so it better be freaking awesome as hell.

 

[flightposite]

Wonder how the new 4AD would do as a transdermal. I actually liked ams 4AD in the utt form. If someone did a transdermal 4ad like 1-T I would buy it.

 

[henryv]

Im not disagreeing with you cause obviously I am not 100% sure but 11 sterone converts to 11-ketotestosterone

wiki>
11-Ketotestosterone is an oxidized form of testosterone that contains a keto group at position-11. It is related to adrenosterone

Again I could be way off here.

An oxidised form of testosterone (i.e. 11-ketotestosterone) isn't testosterone, it's another steroid that is chemically similar.