AndroMass???

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    I agree and it never seems to get across

    As far as your question it would be comparable to how test and 1-test effect lipids.
    i think another point doesnt come across : test is low in sides but low in results ( short term).

    SD is high in sides, high in results.


    the trend is, if something is potent, it is potent - for good, and for bad.


    what i want to know is, why are we waiting for logs to know effectiveness? you would assume that if PP is touting andromass as the new SD without the sides, wheres the bloodwork or the beta logs to back up the claims? what right do they have to suggest such things?


    i could be completely off base, however. Maybe PP DOES have said bloodwork/logs from beta testers . but i dont think they announced it, did they?
    For me, the action IS the juice.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bakerderek0 View Post
    Dumber than this? > Just a Thought Here

    that has to be a joke. oh man.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    i think another point doesnt come across : test is low in sides but low in results ( short term).

    SD is high in sides, high in results.


    the trend is, if something is potent, it is potent - for good, and for bad.


    what i want to know is, why are we waiting for logs to know effectiveness? you would assume that if PP is touting andromass as the new SD without the sides, wheres the bloodwork or the beta logs to back up the claims? what right do they have to suggest such things?


    i could be completely off base, however. Maybe PP DOES have said bloodwork/logs from beta testers . but i dont think they announced it, did they?
    no, they dont. no one has used it yet, not even eric.

    all of the numbers tossed out, and claims made are based off of calculations from numerous studies using similar compounds (dhea, 1-dhea, 4-dhea, 4-andro-diol, 1-androdiol, ethergels, ect).

    im sure with the right dosage these will be good. im presuming that andromass would require 2 bottles for a solo 4 week cycle to get great gains.

    1 bottle would be enough in my opinion as a base to something much stronger, like methyldrostanolone (sd)

    like, 5-6 caps e/d of andro mass, & 20mg of superdrol e/d.

    that im sure would be a great cycle, well, that is, if andromass was cheaper.

  4. One bottle of Andromass will last 4 weeks. For me id like to run this for at least 8 weeks with hcg. We stopped comparing the estimated gains to sd as the product changed and should now be compared to the old school 1test and 4ad, but with superior delivery. I remember what it was like to run old school 1test so if its anywhere near that im pretty confident in the estimations being made.
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  5. Andro mass + Andro hard = test500. Or it seems to be that. And thats at 4 pills a day each, for 6 weeks. $400 will ancillaries. Rough but I hope it does well. $500 if I include ostarine in pct.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell600 View Post
    Andro mass + Andro hard = test500. Or it seems to be that. And thats at 4 pills a day each, for 6 weeks. $400 will ancillaries. Rough but I hope it does well. $500 if I include ostarine in pct.
    As in 500mg of test per ml ? Wow that sounds painful, but I may think this proposed stack of HARD + MASS would be similar to a testosterone/proviron cycle at a very conservative dose. I hate comparing to steroids but it seems feasible. Maybe like an old school transdermal 4derm/1derm w/a m5aa product (without the 17alpha alkalation)

  7. one bottle of any 1-androstenediol or 4-androstenediol product will last 4 weeks. but it isn't enough for experienced users, 2 will be a minimum.

    I dont see this being any different. but thats just my opinion.

    one bottle of the old diol's were twice the dosage of these, and users required an extra 1 or 2 bottles for a good cycle.

    you have better absorbtion, so maybe instead of 800mg of 4-androstenediol, you'll only need 400mg of the super 4-dhea.

    and instead of 600mg of 1-androstenediol, you'll only need 300mg of super 1-dhea.

    i dont think one bottle supplies 400mg of 4-dhea & 300 mg of 1-dhea.

    but im just speculating and basing this off of real world experience & the estimates pp has given us.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by FutureFreak View Post
    As in 500mg of test per ml ? Wow that sounds painful, but I may think this proposed stack of HARD + MASS would be similar to a testosterone/proviron cycle at a very conservative dose. I hate comparing to steroids but it seems feasible. Maybe like an old school transdermal 4derm/1derm w/a m5aa product (without the 17alpha alkalation)
    I think it's more comparable to the latter...


  9. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    this is the dumbest question i've seen in a while.
    Dumb?You think ive never ran a SERM for PCT?or that i dont know that you should use a SERM?Umm,before you call peoples questions "dumb",maybe you should find out why they asked?I asked because some have told me a simple Test Stack would do as a PCT for AndroMass,others tell me i should use a SERM.THATS why i asked.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I spoke too soon.

    Yes,i do have Search,as i hope you do.I have searched the ingredients but cant find anything on them,thats why i posted them here Chief.
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  11. both of those post have been answered on here, and numerous other boards that pp frequents.

    infact, there is a some 50 page thread in the company promo section on the subject of these products.

    so you must not of searched very hard, or you dont know how to search. not sure which it is.
    Im not trying to keep you from posting, just saying, when you post one thread after another asking questions that have been answered countless times, it's just a little aggravating.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    both of those post have been answered on here, and numerous other boards that pp frequents.

    infact, there is a some 50 page thread in the company promo section on the subject of these products.

    so you must not of searched very hard, or you dont know how to search. not sure which it is.
    Im not trying to keep you from posting, just saying, when you post one thread after another asking questions that have been answered countless times, it's just a little aggravating.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    Yes,i do have Search,as i hope you do.I have searched the ingredients but cant find anything on them,thats why i posted them here Chief.
    The Primordial website can definitely give you an inside look at the products.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    like you said im lke everyones retarted little brother
    Just inject.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell600 View Post
    Andro mass + Andro hard = test500. Or it seems to be that. And thats at 4 pills a day each, for 6 weeks. $400 will ancillaries. Rough but I hope it does well. $500 if I include ostarine in pct.
    Are you asking if thats 4 pills of each product taken twice a day to last 6 weeks?

    Andromass 4 pills dosed two different times in the day
    Androhard 4 pills dosed two different times in the day
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  16. Well it would be six pills of each for 4 weeks at standard dosing.


  17. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    i think another point doesnt come across : test is low in sides but low in results ( short term).

    SD is high in sides, high in results.


    the trend is, if something is potent, it is potent - for good, and for bad.
    I've been thinking about this lately. Something tells me you're on to something with the toxicity/time/results thing. However, I think in terms of testosterone... have you ever run testosterone suspension or test prop? Those will give quick results and have low sides as well. Not AS quick as SD, I don't think anything does, but my point remains that the ester has a lot to do with how quick injectables act.

    I'd like to hear some more opinions on this toxicity/time/results subject.
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  18. I don't know if this andromass is worth it at the cost its being offered at. I can't imagine that the logs from andromass will be any much better than, lets say, superdrol, which gives crazy strength and modest weight gains. If satisfactory results can be achieved at much cheaper means, why would anyone jump to a $200 prohormone?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Chico222 View Post
    I don't know if this andromass is worth it at the cost its being offered at. I can't imagine that the logs from andromass will be any much better than, lets say, superdrol, which gives crazy strength and modest weight gains. If satisfactory results can be achieved at much cheaper means, why would anyone jump to a $200 prohormone?
    no liver toxicity.

    possibly less damage on lipids.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  20. ^ Wallace, M. B.; Lim, J.; Cutler, A.; Bucci, L. (1999). "Effects of dehydroepiandrosterone vs androstenedione supplementation in men". Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 31 (12): 178892. doi:10.1097/00005768-199912000-00014. PMID 10613429.

  21. PP's site says it Test enthante, so shouldnt it take 2wks to work like Test E ??

  22. If your going to spend 200 for one product come to my website and buy some stuff please.

    Comparing this to test e turned me off since test e takes forever to work now if it said test prop I'd buy one for ****s and giggles. comparing something to SD and costing over 20 bucks yea right you can get 10ml of test prop for 20 bucks. I can't believe people are actually debating buying this, if this price hike on products continue I'll be sticking to prop, serm and pepto pro. Just my 2 cents feel free to read and disregard.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by ModernLats View Post
    If your going to spend 200 for one product come to my website and buy some stuff please.

    Comparing this to test e turned me off since test e takes forever to work now if it said test prop I'd buy one for ****s and giggles. comparing something to SD and costing over 20 bucks yea right you can get 10ml of test prop for 20 bucks. I can't believe people are actually debating buying this, if this price hike on products continue I'll be sticking to prop, serm and pepto pro. Just my 2 cents feel free to read and disregard.
    Actually it will act more like prop, the comparison ends at the base hormones...


  24. Quote Originally Posted by Chico222 View Post
    I don't know if this andromass is worth it at the cost its being offered at. I can't imagine that the logs from andromass will be any much better than, lets say, superdrol, which gives crazy strength and modest weight gains. If satisfactory results can be achieved at much cheaper means, why would anyone jump to a $200 prohormone?
    And what does give better gains than SD? The current crop of orals will not stay "legal" for much longer.


  25. Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    PP's site says it Test enthante, so shouldnt it take 2wks to work like Test E ??
    Due to the oral delivery, the half-life is much much shorter. I believe it's around 3 hours.

    The reason we use enanthate is because the ester we used for the oral is enanthate. All esters have a different weight so it was a much easier conversion to say enanthate = enathate than prop = enanthate.
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  26. test e doesn't take 2 weeks to wortk either.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    test e doesn't take 2 weeks to wortk either.
    Holy crap. Can't believe I just read that here on AM. I said that a while ago and all the self proclaimed "vet's" tried claiming I was some sort of witch doctor. Still didn't even believe me when I provided real numbers vs. their collective brotelligent brain!
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Holy crap. Can't believe I just read that here on AM. I said that a while ago and all the self proclaimed "vet's" tried claiming I was some sort of witch doctor. Still didn't even believe me when I provided real numbers vs. their collective brotelligent brain!
    The peak blood levels hit around week 1-2 (give or take a few days either way) but they are elevating during that time?

    It's not like all of a sudden week 2 BAM 500mg of test.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Holy crap. Can't believe I just read that here on AM. I said that a while ago and all the self proclaimed "vet's" tried claiming I was some sort of witch doctor. Still didn't even believe me when I provided real numbers vs. their collective brotelligent brain!
    I thought you were a witch doctor


  30. Quote Originally Posted by ModernLats View Post
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