Whats a good prohormone to take for a runner/ light lifter ?

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    Whats a good prohormone to take for a runner/ light lifter ?


    I need to find some thing to take to pack on a little weight clean and lean. but also hoping for it to help with running and strength gains.

    Whats a good one to take and what are the sides i was hoping for a mild one.

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    orastan-e or orastan-a clone...you know who ben johnson is right?
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    d plex worked good for me
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    Something like Dermacrine will work nice, or you could go with Andro Lean

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    the D-plex and the oraston-E but look pretty the d-plex is cheaper.

    Which is better and which has the least sides ?
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    sorry forgot to add the running type is some sprints and long 5 miles
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    Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    orastan-e or orastan-a clone...you know who ben johnson is right?
    ^^^^This...(Although I heard Johnson preferred Furazabol, and not Winstrol due to him saying Winny made him feel tight).

    As for sprints or distance...many of the steroids increase RBC count so endurance typically just comes as you are able to provide greater amounts of oxygen to working muscle tissue.

    On a side note - I think its funny that they stripped Johnson after testing positive, but then gave it to Lewis, who failed at least three drug tests the previous year lol.
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    Epistane increases your cardiovascular capabilities, maybe even dramatically like in my case. Androlean would be a good choice as well, as Ryan pointed out.
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    stanozol thp ether (pstanz) or furazabol thp ether(furaza-a) would most likely be the best options here. it'd be easier to run a low dose with one or two bottles (2 for a 6 weeker).

    dont expect to gain much if anything, but it'd be enough to preven catabolism and help with strength/power output.

    I dont know about androlean, as no one has ever used it.

    but prototype nutrition has 11-spray & 7-spray, these would also be a good choice.

    I hope to be running a log of the two soon.
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    wow think cant pick what to run.

    Would it be better or ok to stack two of them ?

    what would be the best cycle and pct ?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktatro1 View Post
    ^^^^This...(Although I heard Johnson preferred Furazabol, and not Winstrol due to him saying Winny made him feel tight).

    As for sprints or distance...many of the steroids increase RBC count so endurance typically just comes as you are able to provide greater amounts of oxygen to working muscle tissue.

    On a side note - I think its funny that they stripped Johnson after testing positive, but then gave it to Lewis, who failed at least three drug tests the previous year lol.
    rumor has it ben believed he was on furazabol (which was not banned at the time) but obviously he was in fact on winny, so i believe your correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigrich954rr View Post
    wow think cant pick what to run.

    Would it be better or ok to stack two of them ?

    what would be the best cycle and pct ?"
    i would keep it simple big guy. in my opinion, its better to run a little higher of either of the orastan clones by its self rather then lower and with another compound.
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    Tren,amazing strength gains with not that much added size,so if your looking for a more lean powerful body,go with Tren.
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    don't even touch tren, you won't be able to walk up the stairs without getting tired and sweating. it's great for strength but bad for any cardio. d plex is good because in low dowses dht can increase cardio and increase muscle exertion capabilities over long periods of stress.
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    ok so its d plex or orastan clones. whats a good amount to run and for how long ?

    I like d plex cause it cheaper but if the other is better ill run that.

    Also whats the cheapest or best place to buy from ? can pm me
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    If price is your main factor, you may want to reconsider taking a prohormone. If you can barely afford the PH, chances are you aren't going to spend enough on support supplements and PCT.
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    D plex will have some sides, its a meth PH so your still going to have issues at a low dose.

    Transdermal Dermacrine would get my vote. 4 pumps a day, look at the thread where everyone is using it as a Test base for PH cycles. Its non meth, and shouldnt jack up for BP or anything like that. It will be the best choice if your worried about side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngguns555 View Post
    don't even touch tren, you won't be able to walk up the stairs without getting tired and sweating. it's great for strength but bad for any cardio. d plex is good because in low dowses dht can increase cardio and increase muscle exertion capabilities over long periods of stress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DYEGYE View Post
    If price is your main factor, you may want to reconsider taking a prohormone. If you can barely afford the PH, chances are you aren't going to spend enough on support supplements and PCT.

    Well im looking for the best and willing to spend about 200 max of 250 dollars for a 4-6 week cycle but im cheap and like to save money too.
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    im looking for a place to buy everything i need in one shipment i dont want to have to go buying from diff places. but im willing to stack, i use to run test and tren back in the day but ive been off for the last 4 years but now not looking for size.

    What would be the sides of low d plex dose ?
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    sorry for the so many questions. I just want to be sure before i get back into it. i know everything has changed so im looking for the best ideas and advise. ?
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    I just finished logging a dplex cycle on another board NO SIDES AT ALL went 5 weeks dosed it 75-75-100-100-100 just a little agressive for a bit lol and gained no weight at all and all major 1reps gained at least 15lbs decent compound would do it again 4 sure
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    d plex is underrated, good compound and gives great aggression in the gym. It makes you want to get sh#t done.
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    Just got my stuff hoping for a little less bf and a little more muscle. and alot more strength. trying for like 4 more reps per lift in the end and be able to run little faster.

    Im hoping the running speeds up with the little bit less of the B/F while upping the muscle. well thanks guy for the advise.

    Think i can do 50/75/75/75/75/75 ?

    maybe up it to 100 ?

    why does it say dont take 4 hours before bed time ?
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    if you do go up to 100 i would wait till your last week or so, and if you take it to late it will keep you up all night
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    I would go with Epistine, or better yet. Sarms s4.
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    Our old dermacrine is probably as mild as they come and decent gains.
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    Maybye i'm wrong but i'v been told by a mate of mine thats on test 250 , he does not run as the test alone could give him a stroke? Is this true with ph? Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishDaniel View Post
    Maybye i'm wrong but i'v been told by a mate of mine thats on test 250 , he does not run as the test alone could give him a stroke? Is this true with ph? Just a thought
    Does he already have high blood pressure? That would be the main cause. Yes - a PH could theorietically cause this if it's target hormone (or it by itself if it is active) raises blood pressure. If you don't have high bp, chances are not likely. For extra insurance though most will run hawthorn berry 2 weeks prior to, the whole cycle, and all through PCT to combat and bring bp back down.
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    Oh ok i knew there was somthing of it. I guess real gear is more potent
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    d-plex at 50mg is effective for stamina and some strength. Pct will be a breeze at 50mg for 6week cycle. Milk thistle and any quality ai/pct formula sold otc . Complete cycle will run you less than 60 bucks.
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