If someone were to stack these two how would they run the cycle safely, effectively, and for what duration?

What would the considerations be for sides that could be encountered on such a stack?

My understanding so far is that Hdrol is a "mild' PH where as superdrol is not something a newb should screw with and potential for sides is much more apparent.

My understanding of M14ADD is that it converts to Dbol and is great for bulky gains and strength. (wet mass)

My close friend has run tren, hdrol, androdrol, and wants to stack 1 of these two for his next cycel im assuming in April time frame.

He's 5'7" 187 8-10% BF
Eats right, sleeps, trains hard. Hasn't missed more than a week of training since 04'

-My dilemma is he is gonnna run this **** no matter what and I'm trying to help him not screw himself over.(i've told him to get his ass on here many times.)

Help from the Gurus would be great.
-His goal currently is to hit 200lbs or better and strength gains. he naturally carries low BF

-Thanx guys

What up?

-If he runs the Hdrol with M14ADD
HDrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
M14 00/00/120/120/150/150 15% conversion = 22.5mg Dbol last 2 weeks
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3. Originally Posted by Hustlers
What up?

-If he runs the Hdrol with M14ADD
HDrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
M14 00/00/120/120/150/150 15% conversion = 22.5mg Dbol last 2 weeks
It's still unclear if M14 converts to d-bol at a recognizeable rate, and M14 may have its own activity; And that is not an accurate conversion. You can't put an exact value on m14's conversion rate especially since rates go back and forth.
See here:
Originally Posted by henryv
Quoting percentages fails to take into account the other routes of metabolism, or the fact that some metabolic routes are reversible
You have a good setup except that m14 should be run 6 weeks with H-drol. Make sure you have a SERM and cycle supports such as Cycle Assist, as well as a testosterone booster or AI in PCT

4. Originally Posted by Bry17
It's still unclear if M14 converts to d-bol at a recognizeable rate, and M14 may have its own activity; And that is not an accurate conversion. You can't put an exact value on m14's conversion rate especially since rates go back and forth.
See here:

You have a good setup except that m14 should be run 6 weeks with H-drol. Make sure you have a SERM and cycle supports such as Cycle Assist, as well as a testosterone booster or AI in PCT
I definitely understand where you're coming from with the conversions. 15% seems to be the collective belief in this forum.

I appreciate the info as far as running it for 6 weeks.

Do you guys think that the M14 could b safely run with the Mdrol?

Oh I just saw some Xtren some where is that actually tren? just trying to make sure. Ill be using the Search in a second.

PCT is understood. Unfortunately my buddy doesnt think its as important as im telling him it is because he played russian roulet 2x already with PHs

5. Originally Posted by Hustlers
I definitely understand where you're coming from with the conversions. 15% seems to be the collective belief in this forum.

I appreciate the info as far as running it for 6 weeks.

Do you guys think that the M14 could b safely run with the Mdrol?

Oh I just saw some Xtren some where is that actually tren? just trying to make sure. Ill be using the Search in a second.

PCT is understood. Unfortunately my buddy doesnt think its as important as im telling him it is because he played russian roulet 2x already with PHs
M14 with M-drol? Maybe if you keep the M-drol at low dose. Something like

90/120/120/120/120/150 and M-drol first 3 weeks at 10/10/20 You would see some hardcore gains but this pretty much REQUIRES a SERM to run safely.

X-tren is a prohormone to dienolone. It is not the same as tren, although they are molecularly similar.
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6. Originally Posted by Bry17
M14 with M-drol? Maybe if you keep the M-drol at low dose. Something like

90/120/120/120/120/150 and M-drol first 3 weeks at 10/10/20 You would see some hardcore gains but this pretty much REQUIRES a SERM to run safely.

X-tren is a prohormone to dienolone. It is not the same as tren, although they are molecularly similar.
19-Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione – 30 mg is what is listed on the XTren

Im unfamiliar with Dienolone. Are you saying that Dienolone and whatever was in ACL Tren Extreme are two different substances? If so, do they produce the same great results Tren Extreme was touted for?

7. Originally Posted by Hustlers
19-Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione – 30 mg is what is listed on the XTren

Im unfamiliar with Dienolone. Are you saying that Dienolone and whatever was in ACL Tren Extreme are two different substances? If so, do they produce the same great results Tren Extreme was touted for?
ACL Tren x and X-tren contain the same ingredient. 19-norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione and estra-4,9 diene-3,17 dione are the same. Both are prohormones to dienolone. Research on dienolone, IIRC it was used to synthesize trenbolone and, as such, is chemically similar.

8. Originally Posted by Bry17
ACL Tren x and X-tren contain the same ingredient. 19-norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione and estra-4,9 diene-3,17 dione are the same. Both are prohormones to dienolone. Research on dienolone, IIRC it was used to synthesize trenbolone and, as such, is chemically similar.
Thats funny I was just reading the exact smae thing you just posted.
By any chance have you run Xtren or xtreme Tren, Tren Extreme etc?

I noticed in a couple places they said users testes size increased.

9. Originally Posted by Hustlers
Thats funny I was just reading the exact smae thing you just posted.
By any chance have you run Xtren or xtreme Tren, Tren Extreme etc?

I noticed in a couple places they said users testes size increased.
I've never used Tren. I think you mean the opposite, testes size would decrease because tren suppresses your natural pituitary hormone levels and will likely increase the size of the male prostate because dienolone and trenbolone are highly androgenic.

10. m14add is able to bind to the androgen receptor and does not need to convert.

going over 100mg of it is dumb. if you need to dose it over this amount, i'd say you should just run straight mdrol, or alpha one, or dimethazine, w/e other stronger compounds are available that dont need to be ran so high.

but if you can manage to run it at a responsible dosage, like an intelligent person would, you could go with:

60mg of m14add + 20mg of sd should do you good for 4 weeks.

of maybe 90mg of m14add & 10mg of sd for 4 weeks.

11. i never knew dienolone was used to synthesize trenbolone. where did you read this?

12. Originally Posted by jbryand101b
i never knew dienolone was used to synthesize trenbolone. where did you read this?
Tren can be made from dienedione as well as dienolone. The summarized syntheses can be found in various patents

13. Originally Posted by Bry17
I've never used Tren. I think you mean the opposite, testes size would decrease because tren suppresses your natural pituitary hormone levels and will likely increase the size of the male prostate because dienolone and trenbolone are highly androgenic.
The US DEA did in vivo testing with dienolone and boldione (DEA Agreement No. DEA-04-P0007.) Yesterday we reported that the American DEA completed a bill which concludes that DMT, boldione, and dienolone be considered anabolic steroids. The drug agency tested the effects of dienolone, aka 19-nor-4,9(10)-androstadienedione, and boldione, aka 1,4-androstadien-3,17-dione, on rats. The most striking outcome of that study: dienolone is strange stuff.

The research workers, Alvin Matsumoto and Brett Marck, administered rat implants which delivered steady levels of the steroid hormones, and also gave rats in a control group implants without active substances (placebo). Eight weeks after the operation, the researchers looked at the effects on the animals. Boldione raised the concentration of testosterone in the rats. Could the antibodies that the research workers used for the boldione analogue have been confused with testosterone? (See Diagram below) Dienolone raised the levels of estradiol in the animals. That is logical. Dienolone seems to convert fairly easily to estrogen.

The concentrations of LH and FSH, the two driving hormones which induce the testes to produce testosterone, were diminished by the administration of both hormones. Remarkably, after the administration of dienolone the weight of the testes increased. This is seen in the figure below.

Then the researchers tested the anabolic / androgenic properties of the two steroids shown via the sizing of the prostate and the levator ani muscle of the rats, as shown in the diagram below.

From the results you would think that dienolone was a more powerful anabolic / androgen than boldione. However this was not the case. The above figures are in relation to the relative weights: the weight of the levator ani muscle and the total body weight of the rats. The rats that received dienolone had gained less weight than the other animals, but mainly because they were less willing to eat. Below you see the weight increases of the test animals. The rats who received dienolone had a larger increase in the weight of the prostate and levator ani muscle, which was not surprising. The fact that the rats who were administered dienolone had an enlargement of the testes, could not be explained. The research workers think that dienolone decreased the appetite because it converted into estradiol. In 1978, researchers discovered that androgens which convert to estradiol especially decrease ones appetite. Weight changes are shown in the diagram below.

Dienolone & Boldione Testing info

Check out the testes comment bro.

As far as the comment on running M14ADD look all around AM and you'll see numerous others saying they will dose the M14ADD at 150mg(and being praised for it at that). Im not arguing whether or not its correct. I came here to learn. This is what I read.

I really have no bias. my opinion on any chemical is to run it in a way that has been successful for others. Anything past that is up to how much you want to risk or benefit.

14. Originally Posted by Hustlers
What up?

-If he runs the Hdrol with M14ADD
HDrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
M14 00/00/120/120/150/150 15% conversion = 22.5mg Dbol last 2 weeks
run it the other way around. m1,4 bridged to hdrol

15. Originally Posted by Hustlers
As far as the comment on running M14ADD look all around AM and you'll see numerous others saying they will dose the M14ADD at 150mg(and being praised for it at that). Im not arguing whether or not its correct. I came here to learn. This is what I read.
okay.

it is very stupid to run a methylated compound that high.

man, this is so ridiculous, I cant even think of a responce.

16. Originally Posted by 2k1s
run it the other way around. m1,4 bridged to hdrol
Absolutely

17. 4-chloro-dehydro-17a-methyl-1,4-androstenediol.

dehydro-17a-methyl-1,4-androstenediol.

i'd rather stack something else besides two compounds with the same base steroid.

epi-20/20/20/30/30/30

18. Originally Posted by jbryand101b
okay.

it is very stupid to run a methylated compound that high.

man, this is so ridiculous, I cant even think of a responce.
If you think that's crazy, there are guys that take doses of M14 as high as 300 and live to tell the tale. Just ask ryansm,

19. how about dbol & test.. dude that crap is gonna fk your lipids up so bad, mdrol will kill ur sexdrive. not to mention mr liver

20. So yeah ive been reading back and forth throughout the day on this post and its subjects....

I'm going to do my best to talk him out of it, if not its his problem-no matter what he'll end up running something.

It would be interesting to see what kind of results would come of it. However, it's obvious there are better choices for stacks.

21. why even stack them. you can get decent results on mdrol alone even though its trash for a ph. go with the real deal dude, quit fkn up your body. look around, find a source. sheesh.

22. Originally Posted by magdielgte
why even stack them. you can get decent results on mdrol alone even though its trash for a ph. go with the real deal dude, quit fkn up your body. look around, find a source. sheesh.

I'm not sure you read the OP.
It's not my idea.
Not my cycle or pending cycle.
I have epi, beast, hdrol, dieselbolan, androhard etc stocked up with me. I don't plan on stacking anything until i run these separately to see how I react. It will be a slower process but whatever, I'm not in a rush like that. As of right now I haven't cycled anything, except novedeXT 6 months ago, which I thought was bunk, and the BS trifecta stack that wasn't worth the cardboard it came in.

Due to my career I have to wait to hit up the juice.
I already have sources for all that **** jst cant use them.
As far as my buddy goes he wants real gear and is tired of PH's so he's starting to get stupid. he doesnt want to go the online route for gear and cant find a local source....

its whatever, but I agree with you i'd rather pin.

23. well be careful because certain phs will give a negative.

24. im well aware of that thats why its good to have a bottle or legal stuff to go...hey heres what I took its not illegal so suck me off.

25. good thinkin hustler. good thinkin, i probably would have avoided the situation. but i guess it all falls back on who u know.

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