First stack help

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  1. First stack help


    I am new to this PH/DS stuff other than LG Sciences (Methyl 1-d, masterdrol) and have some questions

    First, being in the military I do a lot of running so I want to avoid anything that'll cause bad calf pumps (SD). I am thinking about taking Helladrol (halo clone) or epistrong (epistane) stacked with katanadrol 2.0

    Which one would be better for fat loss/ lean gains? Im 5'10" 185 with 10%BF

    Also what would be the best SERM, PCT to use?


  2. I would not stack if its a 1st go on PH/DS, especially because its hard to judge how well each is working having run neither on their own before.

    however, halo and epi are solid 1st choices.
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  3. there's no harm in stacking katanadrol in because its a nonmethyl and it's intended to stack. Now the steroids will aid in fatloss to some extent and I think helladrol will help to a larger extent than epi-strong. So I would advise helladrol stacked with katanadrol.

    As for PCT i think your choice of serm (clomid or nolva) stacked with HCGenerate will work great.
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  4. thanks, whats the easiest way to get my hands on some SERMS? and dosage?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    thanks, whats the easiest way to get my hands on some SERMS? and dosage?
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  6. Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
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  7. ive heard mixed results on turinabol, especially how it affect cardio w/ legs pumps

  8. Turinabol would be a good first go round with PH/DS. Outside of doing sprints, there shouldn't be a huge problem with leg pumps during cardio.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
    x2, and i believe a saw a nice little sale on there phs

  10. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    there's no harm in stacking katanadrol in because its a nonmethyl and it's intended to stack. Now the steroids will aid in fatloss to some extent and I think helladrol will help to a larger extent than epi-strong. So I would advise helladrol stacked with katanadrol.

    As for PCT i think your choice of serm (clomid or nolva) stacked with HCGenerate will work great.
    should he start the HCGenerate the first week of PCT or wait until week 3 of PCT?

  11. im also not seeing the pp turinabol on sale

  12. Go to the turinabol page at the primordial performance store and it says in the right hand corner in large flashing style what the discounts are, keep reading you'll find it i'm sure.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    im also not seeing the pp turinabol on sale
    It's at the PP home site.
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  14. yeah i see it now. im not concerned about money really. is pp turinabol better than mrsupps helladrol or cel hdrol? im also interested in stacking the katanadrol (non methylated) too

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    yeah i see it now. im not concerned about money really. is pp turinabol better than mrsupps helladrol or cel hdrol? im also interested in stacking the katanadrol (non methylated) too
    I would say its much better than CEL Hdrol. As far as helladrol I am not sure. PP is a very reputable company though with awesome customer service. That right there sold me. Thats why I am pretty in to PP and the products they offer. They treated me right.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    ive heard mixed results on turinabol, especially how it affect cardio w/ legs pumps
    H-drol/turinabol can cause uncomfortable back pumps in some people. These can also be detrimental while running.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jason79 View Post
    H-drol/turinabol can cause uncomfortable back pumps in some people. These can also be detrimental while running.
    Can't any methylated steriod cause back or calf pumps??? or is this just halodrol and superdrol that are prone to causing them?

  18. alright so i think im sold on pp turinabol. now is it worth it to buy the whole turinabol stack with all the supports or buy PCT, liver, etc separately? If so whats the best

  19. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
    hell yeah! just ordered a handfull of these...

    I doubt leg pumps would be a problem, but you can also add in some taurine to aid with that if it occurs. Taurine is a cheep fix!

  20. any feedback on the turinabol muscle stack? worth it? or just better buying liver, PCT, AI all separately

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    any feedback on the turinabol muscle stack? worth it? or just better buying liver, PCT, AI all separately
    The Turniabol Muscle Stack is essentially an all-inclusive, comprehensive, 12-week cycle. From an economical standpoint, you will be saving money in the long run by purchasing everything collectively as a stack; rather than piecing the essentials together separately (you also avoidi paying separate shipping charges). Plus, on PP's website, each product's dosing guidelines are clearly outlined under the stacks "Science" tab.

  22. sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.
    awesome, please add a link in here to the log...I'd like to follow along!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.
    Sounds good, my man! Throw up a link in this thread when you begin your log, and I'll happily follow along.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Sounds good, my man! Throw up a link in this thread when you begin your log, and I'll happily follow along.
    x3 on that! throw it up bro!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by funkd0c View Post
    Can't any methylated steriod cause back or calf pumps??? or is this just halodrol and superdrol that are prone to causing them?
    I think most AAS can cause back pumps methylated and non-methyls as well. Some have a reputation for causing more severe back pumps than others though.

  27. i would rec:
    wk1-12 teste or cyp 400-500mg ew
    wk1-4 20mg Beastdrol ed
    wk1-14 sustain alphaLV
    wk1-18 Toco8
    wk14-18 PCT!
    AI on hand.
    thats what i would rec.

  28. PS! add in 2-3 g taurine ED it helps with cramps, mind and endurance.
    and ofcourse lots of water.

    pumps will come ether way.
    forsoem its worse then others

  29. Quote Originally Posted by RAHHH View Post
    i would rec:
    wk1-12 teste or cyp 400-500mg ew
    wk1-4 20mg Beastdrol ed
    wk1-14 sustain alphaLV
    wk1-18 Toco8
    wk14-18 PCT!
    AI on hand.
    thats what i would rec.
    first time around...that's great advice!

  30. Make sure u drink plenty of water. I am on cycle right now and it seems like I am more thirsty then ever before. Havent particular experienced any back or skin pumps though.
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