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    First stack help


    I am new to this PH/DS stuff other than LG Sciences (Methyl 1-d, masterdrol) and have some questions

    First, being in the military I do a lot of running so I want to avoid anything that'll cause bad calf pumps (SD). I am thinking about taking Helladrol (halo clone) or epistrong (epistane) stacked with katanadrol 2.0

    Which one would be better for fat loss/ lean gains? Im 5'10" 185 with 10%BF

    Also what would be the best SERM, PCT to use?

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    I would not stack if its a 1st go on PH/DS, especially because its hard to judge how well each is working having run neither on their own before.

    however, halo and epi are solid 1st choices.
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    there's no harm in stacking katanadrol in because its a nonmethyl and it's intended to stack. Now the steroids will aid in fatloss to some extent and I think helladrol will help to a larger extent than epi-strong. So I would advise helladrol stacked with katanadrol.

    As for PCT i think your choice of serm (clomid or nolva) stacked with HCGenerate will work great.
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    thanks, whats the easiest way to get my hands on some SERMS? and dosage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    thanks, whats the easiest way to get my hands on some SERMS? and dosage?
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    Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
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    ive heard mixed results on turinabol, especially how it affect cardio w/ legs pumps
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    Turinabol would be a good first go round with PH/DS. Outside of doing sprints, there shouldn't be a huge problem with leg pumps during cardio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
    x2, and i believe a saw a nice little sale on there phs
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    there's no harm in stacking katanadrol in because its a nonmethyl and it's intended to stack. Now the steroids will aid in fatloss to some extent and I think helladrol will help to a larger extent than epi-strong. So I would advise helladrol stacked with katanadrol.

    As for PCT i think your choice of serm (clomid or nolva) stacked with HCGenerate will work great.
    should he start the HCGenerate the first week of PCT or wait until week 3 of PCT?
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    im also not seeing the pp turinabol on sale
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    Go to the turinabol page at the primordial performance store and it says in the right hand corner in large flashing style what the discounts are, keep reading you'll find it i'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    im also not seeing the pp turinabol on sale
    It's at the PP home site.
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    yeah i see it now. im not concerned about money really. is pp turinabol better than mrsupps helladrol or cel hdrol? im also interested in stacking the katanadrol (non methylated) too
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    yeah i see it now. im not concerned about money really. is pp turinabol better than mrsupps helladrol or cel hdrol? im also interested in stacking the katanadrol (non methylated) too
    I would say its much better than CEL Hdrol. As far as helladrol I am not sure. PP is a very reputable company though with awesome customer service. That right there sold me. Thats why I am pretty in to PP and the products they offer. They treated me right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    ive heard mixed results on turinabol, especially how it affect cardio w/ legs pumps
    H-drol/turinabol can cause uncomfortable back pumps in some people. These can also be detrimental while running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jason79 View Post
    H-drol/turinabol can cause uncomfortable back pumps in some people. These can also be detrimental while running.
    Can't any methylated steriod cause back or calf pumps??? or is this just halodrol and superdrol that are prone to causing them?
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    alright so i think im sold on pp turinabol. now is it worth it to buy the whole turinabol stack with all the supports or buy PCT, liver, etc separately? If so whats the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Id go with PP's Turinabol...its on sale. They are d/c all their ph's. Excellent product too.
    hell yeah! just ordered a handfull of these...

    I doubt leg pumps would be a problem, but you can also add in some taurine to aid with that if it occurs. Taurine is a cheep fix!
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    any feedback on the turinabol muscle stack? worth it? or just better buying liver, PCT, AI all separately
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    any feedback on the turinabol muscle stack? worth it? or just better buying liver, PCT, AI all separately
    The Turniabol Muscle Stack is essentially an all-inclusive, comprehensive, 12-week cycle. From an economical standpoint, you will be saving money in the long run by purchasing everything collectively as a stack; rather than piecing the essentials together separately (you also avoidi paying separate shipping charges). Plus, on PP's website, each product's dosing guidelines are clearly outlined under the stacks "Science" tab.
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    sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.
    awesome, please add a link in here to the log...I'd like to follow along!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    sounds good. I order the turinabol stack along with dermacrine liquid. I'll be stacking it according to the "science" tab and start a log next week.
    Sounds good, my man! Throw up a link in this thread when you begin your log, and I'll happily follow along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Sounds good, my man! Throw up a link in this thread when you begin your log, and I'll happily follow along.
    x3 on that! throw it up bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkd0c View Post
    Can't any methylated steriod cause back or calf pumps??? or is this just halodrol and superdrol that are prone to causing them?
    I think most AAS can cause back pumps methylated and non-methyls as well. Some have a reputation for causing more severe back pumps than others though.
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    i would rec:
    wk1-12 teste or cyp 400-500mg ew
    wk1-4 20mg Beastdrol ed
    wk1-14 sustain alphaLV
    wk1-18 Toco8
    wk14-18 PCT!
    AI on hand.
    thats what i would rec.
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    PS! add in 2-3 g taurine ED it helps with cramps, mind and endurance.
    and ofcourse lots of water.

    pumps will come ether way.
    forsoem its worse then others
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAHHH View Post
    i would rec:
    wk1-12 teste or cyp 400-500mg ew
    wk1-4 20mg Beastdrol ed
    wk1-14 sustain alphaLV
    wk1-18 Toco8
    wk14-18 PCT!
    AI on hand.
    thats what i would rec.
    first time around...that's great advice!
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    Make sure u drink plenty of water. I am on cycle right now and it seems like I am more thirsty then ever before. Havent particular experienced any back or skin pumps though.
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    will post up the link once i start. took my APFT today. scored 300, now to push into the extended scale and get cut up with this stack
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    quick update, pp still has yet to ship my products...not too happy about this 2+ week wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    quick update, pp still has yet to ship my products...not too happy about this 2+ week wait
    have you contacted them about it? they're really good with their customer service...

    I ordered from them over the weekend and my stuff went out monday.

    I also ordered some t-bol a few weeks ago and it shipped after a couple business days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    quick update, pp still has yet to ship my products...not too happy about this 2+ week wait
    PM me your order and I'll see what's the hold up.
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    yeah i contacted them. they told me the 19, then the 22, and lastly the 24 yet nothing has happened. I really want to like this company after hearing such positive results but this is ridiculous that its taking over 2 weeks, especially since im out $200 and have nothing still
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    so its now been three weeks since my order and pp has yet to ship anything i ordered. I don't know whats up with this company, but I know that I'll never order from them again.
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    Sorry to hear that! I really love PP and have always had great service from them
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    so its now been three weeks since my order and pp has yet to ship anything i ordered. I don't know whats up with this company, but I know that I'll never order from them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    so its now been three weeks since my order and pp has yet to ship anything i ordered. I don't know whats up with this company, but I know that I'll never order from them again.
    James,

    Please PM me your shipping number and I will look into this for yoy. I must apologize that we're a bit behind due to the HUGE volume of orders that have taken place during our sale over the last 3 weeks. We're doing everything that we can right now to get them up-to-date as soon as possible.

    Please look into the new products that we have to be released here in the next 8-12 weeks. This sale is supporting these products in every way.

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    Everyone talks about their great customer support and i really want to be happy with this company. I'm excited to start my cycle up, but to spend $180+ on supps and to not receive anything for 3 weeks is very disappointing. Hopefully once it gets here I can start the stack.
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