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    do liver support supps make any difference


    Is there any legit studies showing that liver suppor supps will help keep liver values within normal ranges on a methylated oral cycle? I know Milk thistle has been used in medicine to help damaged livers.
    It seems reps seem to be using fear to sell their products with a "Better safe than sorry" attitude.

    Also, please don't post "studies" done by supplement companies.I cn guarantee PP's liver-juice study is not legit.

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    naw, liver aids r just myths, kinda like m1t being toxic, or winnie being the top bulker, its all myths lol
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    you do not need any research. run m1t at 40mg for 4 weeks then run it again at 40mg with NAC, MILK THISTLE, ALA. then u tell me which gives ur skin a "healthy" golden tan lmao.

    seriously use liver aids there is a huge diff, i ran SD PHERA bridge to see if they make a diff...... well lets say w/o aids once i added phera my liver went to failure. massive pain, pale stool, no appetite, no pump, crazy bloat. did i mention PAIN>?!!!!1
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    Is there any legit studies showing that liver suppor supps will help keep liver values within normal ranges on a methylated oral cycle? I know Milk thistle has been used in medicine to help damaged livers.
    It seems reps seem to be using fear to sell their products with a "Better safe than sorry" attitude.

    Also, please don't post "studies" done by supplement companies.I cn guarantee PP's liver-juice study is not legit.
    SO you are saying you have tried PP Liver Juice and got lab test done? And when you got those test your liver values was... I am not a rep for them but dud you better come with sonthing better then trash talking a product with out having a somthing to back it up! THat is like bring pen to an SAT test son!
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    you do not need any research. run m1t at 40mg for 4 weeks then run it again at 40mg with NAC, MILK THISTLE, ALA. then u tell me which gives ur skin a "healthy" golden tan lmao.

    seriously use liver aids there is a huge diff, i ran SD PHERA bridge to see if they make a diff...... well lets say w/o aids once i added phera my liver went to failure. massive pain, pale stool, no appetite, no pump, crazy bloat. did i mention PAIN>?!!!!1
    What do you mean by pain? Your liver has no pain receptors.....
    Also, I have ran m1t at 30mg for 3 weeks, followed by 40mg for 6 weeks using milk thistle. My liver values were in the high 60's.
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    without MILKT. m1t would have killed ur liver.
    yes liver itself wont cause pain but it being damaged can contribute to masssive stomach pain in general.
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    on side note, i have never tried liver juice or ever will, i dont think there is anything rong with it, it seems like a good product. I just have my own ****tail of liver aids i use
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    without MILKT. m1t would have killed ur liver.
    yes liver itself wont cause pain but it being damaged can contribute to masssive stomach pain in general.
    Have you ever run m1t yourself?
    I have run it 4 times now, with the previous 2 cycles having absolutely no support supps, between 30-40mg for 5-6 weeks.
    My liver values are fine, I get bloodwork after every cycle, my father is a doctor.
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    then ur lucky, me no i have a buddy who ran it and literally got like liver failure week 3. is eyes and skin were effed up and many other sides. i have run SD and anadrol for 8 weeks together. which im sure together is more toxic than m1t. but like u, i have an amazing super liver. but many ppl dont! have a superliver. just my 2 cents
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    i persoanly dose my liver aids right before bed so that they dont interfere with orals
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    hell run methyl TREN (the real stuff) ppl say thats the worse. btw ur dad is opk with u doing AAS?

    im starting next week, 60mg winstrol orals with 30mg SD for next 6 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    hell run methyl TREN (the real stuff) ppl say thats the worse. btw ur dad is opk with u doing AAS?

    im starting next week, 60mg winstrol orals with 30mg SD for next 6 weeks
    Yes, my dad is fine with it, he still runs them himself in his 60's.
    Liver toxicity is horribly overrated, many medications which doctors prescribe are methylated, teenage girls are passing around 17aa methyls like candy(birth-control), staying on them permanently.

    I very much doubt that m1t ****ed up your friend's liver after 3 weeks, yes it will make you feel crap, personally my eyes are usually bloodshot on cycle, that does not necessarily mean that your liver is failing....

    How were your gains on sd/hdrol?
    Did you feel the halo contributed at all?
    I have always contemplated this, but then just keep deciding that it is a waste of money and will simply up the dose of the superdrol lol, still have yet to try halo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    Is there any legit studies showing that liver suppor supps will help keep liver values within normal ranges on a methylated oral cycle? I know Milk thistle has been used in medicine to help damaged livers.
    It seems reps seem to be using fear to sell their products with a "Better safe than sorry" attitude.

    Also, please don't post "studies" done by supplement companies.I cn guarantee PP's liver-juice study is not legit.
    How can you guarantee it?

    that was rhetorical btw.

    this is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen in a while.

    several people have posted unsponsored, controlled logs of liver juice proving it substantially lowers AST/ALT values
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    How can you guarantee it?

    that was rhetorical btw.

    this is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen in a while.

    several people have posted unsponsored, controlled logs of liver juice proving it substantially lowers AST/ALT values
    Please explain to me how that was an ignorant post. It is simply a glorified milk thistle supplement.
    I was talking about the original advertising, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    Please explain to me how that was an ignorant post. It is simply a glorified milk thistle supplement.
    I was talking about the original advertising, btw

    put it this way : liver juice ( 1g/d) actually lowered liver values. regular milk thistle did not ( 2g/d). this is because regular milk thistle doesn't absorb very well - liver juice does, due to its formula.


    its like comparing ubiquinol coq10 to regular coq10. ubiquinol is about 6-8x better. also, even given equivalent dosages, they won't have the same results.
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    put it this way : liver juice ( 1g/d) actually lowered liver values. regular milk thistle did not ( 2g/d). this is because regular milk thistle doesn't absorb very well - liver juice does, due to its formula.


    its like comparing ubiquinol coq10 to regular coq10. ubiquinol is about 6-8x better. also, even given equivalent dosages, they won't have the same results.
    But my point is that is was Primordial Performance itself who took out this study, which obviously cannot be trusted. I am not dissing the company in any way, but they can say whatever they want as the statements made by almost every supplement company are not evaluated by the food and drug administration.

    USP labs claimed that prime was more anabolic than Dbol.
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    i can not even understand your point of attacking pp.pp and ai are to of the best companies i have ever delt with and to go after them with no proof is bs i hope someone torches you a$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedlund6 View Post
    i can not even understand your point of attacking pp.pp and ai are to of the best companies i have ever delt with and to go after them with no proof is bs i hope someone torches you a$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    lolwat
    What he is saying is he hopes someone flames you, as in verbally assaults you via a message board. Kinda absurd, since internet disputes go absolutely nowhere...

    But at the same time, you should be careful of making blunt statements that denounce a product around here. It's all good to have an opinion, but if you say you can guarantee something, you'd best come correct with some real proof to back what you say up.

    I for one think that some ancillary support supplements for running oral steroids are... optional. I won't say that they are bad, because they certainly are not going to hurt you, but some aren't necessary to cycle successfully. Milk thistle is not one of these optional supplements though. Milk thistle is pretty necessary for running oral steroids IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    Yes, my dad is fine with it, he still runs them himself in his 60's.
    Liver toxicity is horribly overrated, many medications which doctors prescribe are methylated, teenage girls are passing around 17aa methyls like candy(birth-control), staying on them permanently.

    I very much doubt that m1t ****ed up your friend's liver after 3 weeks, yes it will make you feel crap, personally my eyes are usually bloodshot on cycle, that does not necessarily mean that your liver is failing....

    How were your gains on sd/hdrol?
    Did you feel the halo contributed at all?
    I have always contemplated this, but then just keep deciding that it is a waste of money and will simply up the dose of the superdrol lol, still have yet to try halo!
    bro it was not hdrol..... it was ANADROL! well lets put it this way 32lbs in 1 month. and ocne i dropped the orals and was only on tren and T i dropped like 3-4lbs
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    read my log. ull see the crazy gains

    btw i like this dudes train of thought and he IS NOT dissing any company just stating his belives which is perfectly fine! so calm down ppl. IMO i never used liver juice but just by comparing the amount given to the cost i am a big THUMBS UP, WAY UP for PP .
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    It's different to say:

    "I don't think Liver Juice is a good supplement, or necessary for steroid cycles."

    Or even

    "I don't believe studies done by companies with interest in the final product."

    THAN

    "I guarantee that PP's Liver Juice doesn't work."

    Two are opinions, one is slander.
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    Well a guarantee should have some concrete evidence behind it, I will wait for it to be posted.
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    Do condoms prevent babies if used correctly? Yes.

    The same goes for liver support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAZORBACK09 View Post
    Do condoms prevent babies if used correctly? Yes.

    The same goes for liver support.
    liver support will prevent babies if used correctly?


    just kidding
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    I have done one oral.cycle without liver aids its was a meas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    bro it was not hdrol..... it was ANADROL! well lets put it this way 32lbs in 1 month. and ocne i dropped the orals and was only on tren and T i dropped like 3-4lbs
    Holy crap dude, that is insane!
    Thinking about it, they should work synergistically, seeing as how Superdrol is a non-aromatisable androstane, while anadrol is a progestin which will aromatize....

    Damn though, that is definitely something to think about lol
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    Yah it was the greatest oral stacker! Plus atleaat to me the water bloat was very little, sd being a mild diuretic
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    I did not mean to start such a sh*tstorm around here.

    I no longer use any liver protectants anymore,nor will I ever again, and I can only use legal/oral ph/ds now(for legal reasons).

    I have always gotten bloodwork after every cycle I have ever done.
    My last cycle was xtren 240mg for 9 weeks, and m1t 30mg 6 weeks.
    My ALT and AST were between 100-120(which is absolutely nothing to worry about).
    I used no liver support supps at all.

    These values only slightly higher than the bloodwork after cycles which I used liver protectants with, which had always been AX perfect cycle and himalaya liv.52(for my first 3 oral cycles-havoc/superdrol,high dose sd, high dose phera), and this is most likely simply because this was a more hepatoxic cycle.

    Now, this Liver-Juice may say that it supports the liver up to 80% but do you know why it says that? First to get you to buy the product, and second because all it has EVER been proven to do is regulate enzyme levels and over LONG periods of time has shown effective in doing so. Now, do you know what that means? Absolutely nothing at all! That means that over a very long time, milk thistle will give you stable enzyme levels and thats about it. Enzymes are your livers way of letting the body know that its damaged so for instance if you have a damaged liver, the enzymes are released into your bloodstream for a doctor to tell its damaged. Now if you have healthy enzymes and are taking milk thistle for a long period of time, all its going to do is hide the fact that something is really wrong. Milk thistle has never been proven as an effective liver aid.

    As for repairing damaged livers, milk thistle HAS been proven to NOT be beneficial in the treatment of Hepatitus.I can post the studies if anyone cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Yah it was the greatest oral stacker! Plus atleaat to me the water bloat was very little, sd being a mild diuretic
    Sounds like fun! If only I could get my hands on some real gear again, with some test that would be TASTY,

    I'm gonna read your log
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    Sure! Lol pm if u got any questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    I did not mean to start such a sh*tstorm around here.

    I no longer use any liver protectants anymore,nor will I ever again, and I can only use legal/oral ph/ds now(for legal reasons).

    I have always gotten bloodwork after every cycle I have ever done.
    My last cycle was xtren 240mg for 9 weeks, and m1t 30mg 6 weeks.
    My ALT and AST were between 100-120(which is absolutely nothing to worry about).
    I used no liver support supps at all.

    These values only slightly higher than the bloodwork after cycles which I used liver protectants with, which had always been AX perfect cycle and himalaya liv.52(for my first 3 oral cycles-havoc/superdrol,high dose sd, high dose phera), and this is most likely simply because this was a more hepatoxic cycle.

    Now, this Liver-Juice may say that it supports the liver up to 80% but do you know why it says that? First to get you to buy the product, and second because all it has EVER been proven to do is regulate enzyme levels and over LONG periods of time has shown effective in doing so. Now, do you know what that means? Absolutely nothing at all! That means that over a very long time, milk thistle will give you stable enzyme levels and thats about it. Enzymes are your livers way of letting the body know that its damaged so for instance if you have a damaged liver, the enzymes are released into your bloodstream for a doctor to tell its damaged. Now if you have healthy enzymes and are taking milk thistle for a long period of time, all its going to do is hide the fact that something is really wrong. Milk thistle has never been proven as an effective liver aid.

    As for repairing damaged livers, milk thistle HAS been proven to NOT be beneficial in the treatment of Hepatitus.I can post the studies if anyone cares.
    UDCA is what your body uses to cleanse your liver.

    milk thistle makes your body create more UDCA.


    seems pretty straightforward
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Sure! Lol pm if u got any questions
    haha cheers bud

    just one-did you get any bloodwork before/after?
    I am curious about your liver enzymes post-cycle.
    I have never run anadrol, and actually know very little about it other that it is an extremely potent compound.
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    Its a fun oral 2nd favorite to me. Strenght and size r awsome. Blood work comes 3days before pct that way we know how bad im messedup and where to fix what
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    I like NAC
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    I use mt choline nac and ala
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryH View Post
    I did not mean to start such a sh*tstorm around here.

    I no longer use any liver protectants anymore,nor will I ever again, and I can only use legal/oral ph/ds now(for legal reasons).

    I have always gotten bloodwork after every cycle I have ever done.
    My last cycle was xtren 240mg for 9 weeks, and m1t 30mg 6 weeks.
    My ALT and AST were between 100-120(which is absolutely nothing to worry about).
    I used no liver support supps at all.

    These values only slightly higher than the bloodwork after cycles which I used liver protectants with, which had always been AX perfect cycle and himalaya liv.52(for my first 3 oral cycles-havoc/superdrol,high dose sd, high dose phera), and this is most likely simply because this was a more hepatoxic cycle.

    Now, this Liver-Juice may say that it supports the liver up to 80% but do you know why it says that? First to get you to buy the product, and second because all it has EVER been proven to do is regulate enzyme levels and over LONG periods of time has shown effective in doing so. Now, do you know what that means? Absolutely nothing at all! That means that over a very long time, milk thistle will give you stable enzyme levels and thats about it. Enzymes are your livers way of letting the body know that its damaged so for instance if you have a damaged liver, the enzymes are released into your bloodstream for a doctor to tell its damaged. Now if you have healthy enzymes and are taking milk thistle for a long period of time, all its going to do is hide the fact that something is really wrong. Milk thistle has never been proven as an effective liver aid.

    As for repairing damaged livers, milk thistle HAS been proven to NOT be beneficial in the treatment of Hepatitus.I can post the studies if anyone cares.
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    I have buddy who ran one bottle of sd only taking 500mg of milk thistle a day. After the cycle he thought his liver was inbad shape and went to the dr. He was about 2.5 wks away from total liver failure and maybe death. Don't f around with meth ph"s if your not taking proper support
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    Imp ur friend made two mistakes. If he was that close to liver failure he would have severe symptoms he was ignoring, his milk thistle dose was too low
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