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    I've upped the Pro-Sust to 1.5cc EOD, making it 2100mg/week total.

    Testosterone: 1,878ng/dl

    He still has 4AD-cyp left as of right now and it's his last batch. For all of you who hate M1T (I used to ) this stuff will turn you into a believer. No lethargy, no headaches. The only side effect I'm having is believing that I am, in fact, Superman.

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    Sweet Jesus, look at that test level.

    Looking forward to trying some myself.
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    I have his Pro-Sust and I like it, but if I could do it over again I would have just bought his 4-AD prop. when he offered it becasue it just takes too long for the cyp ester to clear the system post cycle.
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    how long does the cypionate take to get out of the system?
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    What solution is the 4ad cyp in?
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    Well the Sledge Test sold out in the first night. So I am going to try and do some more 4 OHT Cyp/ 4AD Cyp blends next week, but the 4 ad prop is now gone for good.

    I still have a decent amount of the 4 ad cyp and 1 test cyp left so that isnt a problem.

    SS those test levels are insane, but just to give you a laugh, I have a friend who I have been helping through a torn pec. I have him using the Sledge Test, his levels were checked at the Dr. last week, they were above 5000!!!
    He said he thought the Dr. was going to pass out. He told him whatever you friend (me) is doing is working. He is has almost fully recovered in half the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    Well the Sledge Test sold out in the first night. So I am going to try and do some more 4 OHT Cyp/ 4AD Cyp blends next week, but the 4 ad prop is now gone for good.

    I still have a decent amount of the 4 ad cyp and 1 test cyp left so that isnt a problem.

    SS those test levels are insane, but just to give you a laugh, I have a friend who I have been helping through a torn pec. I have him using the Sledge Test, his levels were checked at the Dr. last week, they were above 5000!!!
    He said he thought the Dr. was going to pass out. He told him whatever you friend (me) is doing is working. He is has almost fully recovered in half the time.
    Over 5000
    What was the dosing,frequency,frontload ect...?
    BTW- 4ad prop is done forever ?-Damn!
    I know your probably sick of powder questions,
    but are you going to offer 4oht cyp./deca. powders?
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    I will definetly do 4oht deca powder, I may do the 4 oht cyp if I can figure out a good homebrew. I will hope to have it in a few weeks.

    The 4 ad prop is gone forever.

    His dosing scheme is specific for him, his training and because of his recovery, his upcoming contests.
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    Thanks for the reply.
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    sledge test


    how much of a difference is there between the pro sust and the sledge test?mgs. and ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    I've upped the Pro-Sust to 1.5cc EOD, making it 2100mg/week total.

    Testosterone: 1,878ng/dl

    He still has 4AD-cyp left as of right now and it's his last batch. For all of you who hate M1T (I used to ) this stuff will turn you into a believer. No lethargy, no headaches. The only side effect I'm having is believing that I am, in fact, Superman.
    Just for curiosity sakes, have strength and size increased noticably?
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    wow i wish i could inject.. i don't even think i could get syringes to inject.. I hate this state..and on top of that my wife won't be too fond of it.. i guess i gotta stick with the regular stuff =( how depressing..
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    she doesn't care if i pop pills.. she only cares about injecting stuff.. i can understand it i guess =/ i wish i could just cut my arm with a knife and drop some in.. HAHAHA
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    This is all anecdotal evidence that the whole "saturating" enzymes theory -- particularly 3bHSD, in this case -- is completely bunk. Cool stuff.
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    So if that's correct and all the 4AD in supersoldier's system is being converted, he's getting at least 300+ mg of test from the 4AD PLUS 2100mg of a hormone that is 95% as anabolic as test before conversion?

    Could this mean that 4AD cypionate at this dosage is more effective than,say, testosterone enanthate at 500mg/week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    So if that's correct and all the 4AD in supersoldier's system is being converted, he's getting at least 300+ mg of test from the 4AD PLUS 2100mg of a hormone that is 95% as anabolic as test before conversion?

    Could this mean that 4AD cypionate at this dosage is more effective than,say, testosterone enanthate at 500mg/week?

    BigV

    Depends upon what one means by "effective". I am doubting it, but then again who knows if you jack the dose of 4-AD up that high. Conversion rates and how they affect real-world results are not an exact science by any means.
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    Can we find a study that shows how much 500 mg sof test per week would rause test levels. Then you would be able to compare atleast. Say 500mgs raises it to 900ng/dl, that is still a very high level. I think that the amount that SS is taking is giving a higher amount then 500mgs test prop would. But this is a guess, I havent done blood work to see hwo much regular test raises levels. But for HRT they usually give someone around 200-400mgs per week to get you into the high normal range which is around 400-600 if memory serves.

    The difference between SLEDGE TEST and ProSust is the addtion of 4 OHT cyp.
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    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men.

    Bhasin S, Woodhouse L, Casaburi R, Singh AB, Bhasin D, Berman N, Chen X, Yarasheski KE, Magliano L, Dzekov C, Dzekov J, Bross R, Phillips J, Sinha-Hikim I, Shen R, Storer TW.

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    Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.


    Table 2. Serum total and free testosterone, LH, FSH, SHBG, and IGF-I levels


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    Testosterone
    Dose Baseline Week 16 Change from Baseline P vs. Zero Change

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    Testosterone (ng/dl) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
    25 mg 593 48 253 66 340 85 0.0029
    50 mg 566 78 306 58 260 64 0.0037
    125 mg 553 53 570 75 57 75 0.7425
    300 mg 653 50 1,345 139 691 143 0.0005
    600 mg 632 63 2,370 150 1,737 156 0.0001
    Free testosterone (pg/ml) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
    25 mg 62 6 29 5 33 8 0.0014
    50 mg 57 6 32 3 25 5 0.0009
    125 mg 49 5 52 8 3 7 0.8601
    300 mg 71 7 138 21 67 18 0.0012
    600 mg 64 5 275 30 211 31 0.0001
    LH (U/l) (overall ANOVA P = 0.8054)
    25 mg 3.5 0.4 0.3 0.1 3.2 0.4 0.0001
    50 mg 3.8 0.3 0.6 0.3 3.0 0.4 0.0008
    125 mg 3.4 0.3 0.5 0.1 2.8 0.4 0.0001
    300 mg 3.7 0.5 0.6 0.1 3.5 0.5 0.0002
    600 mg 3.3 0.3 0.6 0.4 2.9 0.4 0.0001
    SHBG (nmol/l) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
    25 mg 29.1 2.9 28.5 3.6 0.6 2.9 0.8497
    50 mg 24.4 3.4 21.1 3.2 3.3 1.1 0.0202
    125 mg 33.1 4.2 28.9 3.8 4.2 2.6 0.1410
    300 mg 31.4 3.8 22.4 3.9 9.1 3.7 0.0348
    600 mg 40.1 4.9 20.6 3.2 19.5 2.8 0.0001
    IGF-I (ng/ml) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
    25 mg 268 26 261 35 7 19 0.7462
    50 mg 246 14 225 12 20 10 0.0797
    125 mg 299 24 282 31 18 17 0.3284
    300 mg 314 24 388 30 74 28 0.0272
    600 mg 227 20 304 21 77 13 0.0001

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    Values on each day represent the mean (SE) of all available values on that day. However, the change represents the difference between paired values only. Treatment values represent the day 113 (week 16) values, obtained 1 wk after the previous testosterone injection. We used week 16 rather than week 20 values because week 20 values were not always drawn exactly 1 wk after the previous injection. LH and FSH, luteinizing and follicle-stimulating hormones, respectively; SHBG, sex hormone-binding globulin; IGF-I, insulin-like growth factor I. To convert total testosterone levels to nmol/l, multiply by 0.03467. To convert free testosterone levels to pg/ml, multiply by 3.467
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    600mg had a 1737 increase from baseline.
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    Bobo you are the "Find a study God"

    So by those studies it looks like SS is getting around 600+mgs of test. So I wonder if almost double or the addition of 4 oht give the "1 gram a week" benchmark?
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    No, his total is around the average increase over baseline that 600mg gives. 600mg gave a 1737+ increase fomr baseline. The total overall was 2370.
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    Sldge, is the 300mg/ml 4/ad cyp painless?
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    yes, they all are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Just for curiosity sakes, have strength and size increased noticably?
    I added 20lbs to my squat 2 extra reps each set for 4 straight sets in a week's time. Other things I've noticed, I just got a new girlfriend. She tells me the sex is "Un****ingBelieveable" She asked me "How is it humanly possible that it stays hard so long?" I was like "I'll tell you one day", not thinking she would think anything of it. And she kept pushing me to tell her why, like she KNEW that there HAD to be an explanation.
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    I noticed the 'crazy sex' side effects on transdermal 4AD as well. Does the same thing happen on straight testosterone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    yes, they all are.
    Thanks Matt. What is the most common dose being used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I noticed the 'crazy sex' side effects on transdermal 4AD as well. Does the same thing happen on straight testosterone?
    ask my GF

    An elevation in test levels like that will make you want to hump all day long, it really almost becomes a little overbearing for some...........like my GF
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806
    Thanks Matt. What is the most common dose being used?
    I think it work better by dosing by bodyweight. Avg seems to be between 1200mgs-1600mgs per week.
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    That's about what I was thinking. 1ml eod. I really appreciate your replys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    I noticed the 'crazy sex' side effects on transdermal 4AD as well. Does the same thing happen on straight testosterone?
    did'nt do trans went the other route
    and I would have to agree. Im currently at 2ml a day 250 mg per ml 4ad cyp.



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    Quote Originally Posted by profbiv
    did'nt do trans went the other route
    and I would have to agree. Im currently at 2ml a day 250 mg per ml 4ad cyp.



    It should be called bonner in a syringe.
    Good god man! Are you saying you run 3,500mg/week? If only I had another bottle...
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    What are you guys using to suppress estrogen-related sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    What are you guys using to suppress estrogen-related sides?
    I used some Lion Letro, estradiol went from around 90-95 to about 0-5 in about a day or two after dosing, even at only 1.25mg EOD. It is some really powerful stuff. Also since nolva is so cheap now I've been running it at 20mg/day and will continue to do so with every cycle I do.
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    How many weeks are you planning on running this cycle Supersoldier? What's your PCT consist of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    How many weeks are you planning on running this cycle Supersoldier? What's your PCT consist of?
    Tough question as to how many weeks. I've been running HCG at 500iu/week, and I really don't wanna come off. I'm gonna get more HCG as soon as I have some cash to spend. I'd like to be using 500iu 2X/week, and I'll probably use 500iu every day for a week if and when I ever come off. Then I'll run a lot of nolva (60ish mg) for a while until my testosterone comes back and then I'll taper off for a total of 8 weeks PCT. HCG is a beautiful thing.
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    Ive heard of this miracle HCG of which you speak Saving it for when I decide to do a full test cyp. cycle later this year.

    I bounced back strong with 6-oxo/Nolva after 4 weeks of 1test/4AD. That's not too long of a cycle, though

    Have you cycled test before? How does the 4AD cyp compare?
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