pulse cycle

[athletor]

Hi,

What is the best prohormone for a pulse cycle 3*per week?

I think epiqtane!

 

[gamer2be08]

There is no best PH per say to pulse 3 days a week... Maybe do a m-drol pulse for 3-4 weeks for added size, then get right into an epi pulse for 3-4 weeks to harden and maintain your m-drol gains. IMO

 

[athletor]

and h-drol pulse?

 

[gamer2be08]

What about it? I wouldnt pulse h-drol; usually takes a few weeks of constant use to kick in. Then again, I wouldnt pulse any compound...

 

[athletor]

In conclusion, h-drol is bad for pulse cycle?

 

[athletor]

I am 24 years,with a cycle épistane, what is dose recommanded!

 

[mark118]

In conclusion, h-drol is bad for pulse cycle?

half life of hdrol is too long

sd and epi are popular because of their relatively short half life

 

[MEPSE]

I was not a fan of pulsing, but I am currently pulsing M-drol for the first time. So far, after only 2 weeks (6 doses), I have gained 5 lbs and experienced no sides. I plan to post a summary after the end at 6 weeks. I'll also cover what I am taking on "off" days, which is one of the advantages to pulsing.

 

[athletor]

what do you take during the off days?

 

[jaydollars]

Go to the "how to pulse orals" thread, read the whole thing, it is massive but very informative

 

[MEPSE]

On off days, I am taking ZMA before bed and tribulus and milk thistle in the morning. There are different opinions, but at my age ZMA and trib boost my test. I was worried about the yo-yo effect of bouncing between the M-drol and natural test boosters, but I have not experienced any feeling like this is happening. I am new to pulsing, and it just makes sense to me that this will provide maintainable gains with minimal or no shutdown. I also like the fact that I can get three 6-week pulse cycles from one bottle of M-drol.

 

[athletor]

I will make a pulse cycle with erpistane!
is it important to take a Testosterone Boosters during the off days?
had you have the sides effect?
What are your strenght gain?
had you have the sides effects?

 

[athletor]

Is it better running an AI (like ATD) on off days, or as 'PCT'?

 

[Milas]

Is it better running an AI (like ATD) on off days, or as 'PCT'?

I didn't like running ATD during my epi pulse cycle, kills my libido. I switched to 6-bromo and that worked fine. AI probably isn't necessary on off days, neither is a test booster, but it's a "nice to have" if you already got one. If funds are an issue, just save it for PCT.

You can check out my Epi pulse log in the cycle section to get an idea how I ran it...

 

[athletor]

I am 24 years old
I will make a pulse cycle (3*per week) with erpistane during 6 weeks in 3 weeks.
And combine it with reversitol during off days because it's better to prevent suppression as much as possible in the first place:

WEEK 1:
training 1 (monday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 2:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 3:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 4:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 5:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 6:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

omega 3 and 6 every days.

So what do you think of this? Is this cycle safe enough if I don't use post cycle therapy? Any input that you could advice me to improve the cycle?


Thank you in advance

 

[athletor]

or with 2 cycles of 3weeks:

Cycle1:

WEEK 1:
training 1 (monday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 2:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 3:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

Cycle 2:
WEEK 1:
training 1 (monday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 2:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

WEEK 3:
training 1 (monday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (tuesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
OFF DAYS (wednesday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 2 (thursday): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (saturday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)
training 3 (friday ): 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
OFF DAYS (sunday) = 1 capsule in waking, 1 capsule before bedtime.
Milk Thistle (legalon)

 

[MEPSE]

Many love epi, but it did not do much for me. The only side I experienced was shutdown, but I was taking up to 40 mg every day - not pulsing. I did gain strength, and I set a few personal records. My thought with the M-drol is to use a test booster on off days just to minimize (or even eliminate) shutdown. The only sides I feel so far on M-drol is an occasional slight back pump (have taurine for this) and slight lethargy. I do not think that I could handle M-drol on a straight cycle, but I do like this pulse so far.

 

[Milas]

For a pulse you can go higher than 30mg. My sweet spot was 50mg, 40 pre and 10 post. Also, you can ramp up to 30-50 much faster. For example in week 1 you can go 20 then 30 then 40. I don't know if 20 will do much...

 

[athletor]

becaus that is my first cycle and I am young (24)

 

[athletor]

My cycle is pyramidal with 2 cycles of 3 weeks

cycle 1:
10 20 20
30 30 30
30 30 30

cycle 2:
20 20 20
30 30 30
30 30 30

 

[athletor]

on a epistane pulse cycle, 30mg is adequate because I weigh 145 Lbs?

 

[MEPSE]

Given your age, weight, and the fact that this is your first cycle, 30 mg seems reasonable to me. I would start at 10 mg week 1, 20 mg week 2, 30 mg after. I would, however, go longer since, in my experience, epi takes 4 or 5 weeks to fully kick in. I would not hesitate to run a low-dose epi pulse for up to 6 weeks.

You always need post-cycle therapy to keep your gains, but in my opinion you will not need a SERM unless you experience gyno. Most people posting here believe in using a SERM after every cycle; I have NEVER used a SERM, have never had gyno, and generally keep all of my gains. For PCT, I use things like natural test boosters and ZMA. I also continue using milk thistle, hawthorn berries, and saw palmetto. I personally do use an AI, and I actually liked Novedex XT (Gaspari) the best so far.

Everyone reacts differently, so you just have to experiment and see what works best for you. Having a SERM on hand is reasonable until you see how you react and how susceptible you are to gyno. As you likely already know, epi is often used to combat gyno, so it is probably not going to be an issue.

 

[athletor]

thank you for your advice

 

[athletor]

my main objective is to take the strenght

 

[jeremiah0079]

I thought on a pulse cycle there was no need for pct, that the days off were sort of like an infused pct, by letting the body reset itself, am I wrong here?

 

[athletor]

I will use a pct by security

 

[athletor]

will I get a lot of strength with a epistane cycle

 

[MEPSE]

My personal opinion is that a SERM is not required after a pulse cycle, and the PCT required is minimal and depends on the substance used. For me, M-drol is much more harsh than Epistane is, so I will use a little more on PCT. The other plus with pusling is that the gains are slower and are therefore easier to keep in PCT.

With regard to strength gain while on Epi, I did have an increase in strength, and I believe that most report an increase. I am experiencing a similar increase in strength with this M-drol pulse that I got from my straight Epi cycle. My next cycle will be M1,4ADD, which will be very high in strength increase.