some very useful Dr D pulse quotes

[mark118]

I've bookmarked some of the most useful posts Dr D has made on pulsing (with reference to epi + SD) over the 120+ thread on pulsing. Hope these help!

Agreed. An AI based supp is not always necessary. If in doubt, a good herbal test booster shouldn't hurt though.

However, if you know what your doing, an AI can still be helpful in many situations:
1) the use of non-aromatizing compounds that leave test levels virtually intact
2) supps that do elevate estro or have intrinsic estro activity
3) mild progestins like all methylated orals, etc..

For example, low dose ATD is still a good stack with Havoc even though it's already an anti-e, while 6-Oxo is not such a good stack with Havoc.

If you go with Epi, it's a SERM in and of itself, so Epi could be viewed as a smart choice for a clean, simple and relatively fool proof first pulse.

Yes, haroldjg's advise is sound. Phera or LMG would be a great choice. Though I must say strength is great with Epi and Hav so they would be good pre-w/o choices too. Which is more androgenic? Well Havoc makes me more hostile, but that's not necessarily an androgenic side because Superdrol does that too and its a very mild androgen. For the record, Superdrol is about 10:600 androgenic/anabolic ratio. Epi starts to cause acne at 45mg and Havoc at about 50mg, so that may suggest androgenic effects are roughly equal or may favor Epi slightly, but shutdown occurs faster and stronger with Havoc which suggests it may be more androgenic, so I just can't say for certain. They are certainly very close to be fair and honest about it, as far as my subjective experience. Superdrol is perfect post-w/o with it's pronounced glycogenic advantage, so your plan looks tight as is or subbing Phera or LMG. Have a big carb shake post w/o!

Yes, this sounds good. The 3 days/week is optimal, but if they are not consecutive day, you still may risk a more rapid shutdown due to poor "bounce back" response. The solution is to use a very low androgen compound like SD, so that's perfect, and also taking 1-2 weeks off every 2-3 weeks in addition to that is even better at totally avoiding inevitable shutdown. Keep us posted!

6-Oxo is way more androgenic than ATD, so it would stack better with a compound like SD, which has very low androgeny. See what I mean? ATD stacks with Epi/Havoc much better, so that androgenic sides are not compounded but instead balanced.

If in doubt, use 6-Br or formestane. Those will pretty much stack well with anything IME.

This is my favorite system (2 methyls or a methyl and non-methyl, plus an anti-cort and an AI):

ON day:
1) Dose most androgenic methyl at approximately 2X amount (or non-methyl at 1X amount) ~1hrs pre-w/o.
2) Dose cortisol antagonist at the very beginning of a 1hr w/o (or immediately after or both.)
3) Dose most anabolic of the 2 methyls at approximately 1X amount (or non-methyl at 2X amount) ~1hr post-w/o.

OFF day:
1) Dose cortisol antagonist in AM and mid to late afternoon (twice daily.)
2) Dose "suicide" type AI at bedtime utilized a low to medium dose. If you're going to use a liver protectant, this would be the time to take it too.

Personally, I have never exceeded 40mg on Phera, so I can't say I'd recommend anything over that.

Would there really be any advantage of going this route over just going with a more traditional PCT at the end of the pulse cycle. I know that the pulse limits shutdown but I really don't feel like taking any chances.

devil: I would honestly use an AI though out the whole pulse if I was that concerned about it, and only consider a SERM if using something that was inherently estrogenic, even without aromatization. Otherwise, just wait and do a regular PCT after the pulse.

With a strong test booster like Hyperdrol as your daily base, to do a smart pulse with a methyl simultaneously you should not need a SERM or PCT at all.

 

[mark118]

a few more...

With a methyl, I always take the bigger dose pre IF it's going to break down uneven, otherwise I like it evenly split (like in your case of 10/10 and 20/20). I only backload the higher dose post-w/o if it's a non-methyl or something with a very short half-life.

Sure, 25mg ATD every night will work to greatly diminish shutdown and won't wreck your libido at that dose either.

A lot of anabolics cause calcium retention and/or hypertension so kidneys can take a hit. Pulsing can only help with this and of course, watch calcium/phosphorus intake when on cycle or at least make sure you drink plenty of water. Taking a magnesium citrate supplement helps prevent stone formation too in clinical trials.

Well you can't go wrong with a low dose of an ATD product and it shouldn't compromise libido considering what you're pulsing, but 6-Br and formestane based products are my favorite if you wanna play it safe with your sex life.

Yes, about 24 days for you based on the time on = time off equation with an 8wk 3x/wk pulse. If you are using a SERM, I would just wait a month to let that clear before I start again. In other words, don't call it off time till you get off the SERM. SERM stays in the liver a long time.

If no SERM, I would start the counter right now. Off time can include PCT if there is no SERM and only a test booster or AI is used, IMO.

 

[Tagio]

thanks, nice collection. i've spent hours in that thread and haven't seen most of these

 

[stankyleg]

Nice

 

[MEPSE]

I think Dr. D's advice is dead on. I was not a fan of pulsing, but it makes so much sense with Superdrol. It may not provide the same gains of a straight cycle, but it does produce mass that is easy to maintain, with little to no shutdown. I have never used a SERM, have never had gyno, and want to keep it that way.

 

[crowpass]

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[marco wolf]

I like this one from page 88.

Stacking a methyl and non-methyl generally compound gains. For example...

Pre-w/o
100mg DHEA
50mg Furazadrol
20mg Epi

Post-w/o
50mg Furazadrol
10mg SD
1 cap Lean-FX (or your anti-cort of choice)
1-2 caps HD2 (or your AI based test booster of choice)

This is a pretty fool-proof protocol (3x/wk) that utilizes the very minimum amounts of several different compounds to achieve a result where the whole is greater than the sum of it's apparent parts, and sides are extremely minimal.