How to "pulse" orals

[Solitude]

Yep that's right. Any thoughts on dosing times with these?

At night would be the best time, dose at least 2 caps (50 mg of 6-bromo) this equal to 1 cap of HDX2, or you could dose higher 4 caps (equal to 2 caps of HDX2). You could dose it ED, or Off-Days only, I personally dosed it ED.

For my next pulse cycle I'm planning to dose 4 caps of HDX2 ED as my AI, so that would equal to 8 caps of "AX's Advanced post cycle therapy"

That's exactly what I was trying to say. I think I'll take your advice and try the 6 times dosing out of 5 weeks first and see how it goes. If it's fairly steady, then I'll stick to it. No sense in pushing up the dosage too quickly.

For you to dose 30 mg at 6 times every 5 weeks might not be enough actually, considering I'm pulsing 40 mg 8 times every 20 days, and I'm going to pulse straight through for an entire 60 days, without any week off, that means I'll be pulsing 24 times out of 60 days.

Since you'll only be pulsing 30 mg, how about if you pulse it at 3 times a week for 4 weeks, then take 1 week off (if you wanna be extra safe, but not necessary in my opinion), then repeat. That would total in 24 dosing out of 63 days.

Btw, you should check out Neo's Result Pulsing thread if you haven't, could give you some more ideas on how people do their pulse cycle and what kind of gains they're getting.

 

[xarjun]

Hmm. The 4 weeks on, 1 week off sounds interesting. That would allow me to continue a relatively mild 30 mg for a longer duration, definitely worth considering.

I was just on Neo's thread. Some very good pointers. Also some interesting combinations I may try down the line. For now, I'll do the epi only and see what it does for me.

Thanks guys.

 

[Botch]

ya i think this one was a case much like with epi... everyone who tried the OG TRN raved about great libido but those that had Mega TRN from generic labz had the strength and hardness and endurance but their libido dropped like a rock... aint nothin like the original with everything ive seen come out... phera plex was the same too... man i wish we could still get ahold of AX PP....

I dunno man, when I took Trenadrol by Kilo I felt like I was on Viagra 24/7!

 

[nycste]

I dunno man, when I took Trenadrol by Kilo I felt like I was on Viagra 24/7!

care to explain more perhaps.
dosing
length
etc

 

[neoborn]

I think the comparison he was making was between:

1. 3 times dosing a week for 2 weeks out of 5 weeks = 6 times dosing out of 5 weeks

2. 4 times dosing a week for 2 weeks out of 5 weeks = 8 times dosing out of 5 weeks

Which his buddy said he got better gain using Number. 2, instead of his initial plan which was Number. 1.

Maybe I am unaware of something here or just not getting it but why only dose 2 weeks out of 5??? :think: :stick:

 

[Solitude]

Maybe I am unaware of something here or just not getting it but why only dose 2 weeks out of 5??? :think: :stick:

lol!

My guess is he was just being extra cautious, to prevent suppression as much as possible.

 

[poopypants]

I dunno man, when I took Trenadrol by Kilo I felt like I was on Viagra 24/7!

LOL thast cool but i highly doubt trenadrol's legitamacy... they didnt even know how many mg to put on the side of there bottles it went from 30mg to 3mg to 30mg again... if its the same compound there is no way in hell that its 30mg per pill.... im almost certain they got something great on there hands there with all the feedback... and im also almost certain its NOT methoxy-TRN.

besides guys are blowin up with trenadrol and with TRN it was almost pure androgen effects hardly any muscle mass gain but insane strength hardness and vasularity... trenadrol has some very apparent anabolic effects.

 

[Botch]

care to explain more perhaps.
dosing
length
etc

Absolutely. 5'10", 165 lbs., 7-8% bf. To start I must say that I had been pulsing Epistane directly prior which dropped my libido to absolute nothingness. I had a bottle of Trenadrol and I decided to run it for just two weeks to help solidify gains and keep suppression minimal. By the third day of Trenadrol at 2 caps per day (60 mg) my strength was WAY higher than it was during any of my pulse. It was either the 2nd or 3rd day after adding Trenadrol that my libido became insane. I wouldn't even have to be thinking anything sex and I would have random, very hard erections. This lasted through the two weeks that I ran the compound and the strength gains only continued to impress me as well. Other effects I experienced were very hard, vascular, and full muscles. The only sides I experienced were pretty bad aggression and being extremely thirsty. My bp may have gone up but I didn't get it checked. I was also running hawthorne berry, COQ10, SAMe, and saw palmetto before, during, and after. I will definately run this compound again in the future as it is my favorite so far.

 

[Botch]

LOL thast cool but i highly doubt trenadrol's legitamacy... they didnt even know how many mg to put on the side of there bottles it went from 30mg to 3mg to 30mg again... if its the same compound there is no way in hell that its 30mg per pill.... im almost certain they got something great on there hands there with all the feedback... and im also almost certain its NOT methoxy-TRN.

besides guys are blowin up with trenadrol and with TRN it was almost pure androgen effects hardly any muscle mass gain but insane strength hardness and vasularity... trenadrol has some very apparent anabolic effects.

I never ran the O.G. methoxy TRN so you are right, I cannot compare. The experience I did have with Trenadrol is exactly how you describe people reacting to methoxy TRN. I may have only put on 1-2 pounds but the strength was insane (however it was also a short run). I know my measurements are different but I am no different on the scale. My diet was definately in check! There is no way to tell if its the same as the O.G., but whatever is in Trenadrol...its some good ****!

 

[Solitude]

Question for Dr.D or anyone.

When stacking Epi and PP, which one would be better to be used as a pre-workout?

I'm not very familiar with PP's Androgenic/Anabolic ratio, but if I'm not mistaken Epi's A/A ratio is somewhere around 90:1200, which is quite androgenic I must say, how does this compare to PP? Is PP even more androgenic?

 

[poopypants]

PP is a majority anabolic... i cant remember the ratio though and it may be stronger then Epi on the androgenic end... but epi definately dwarfs most with its anabolic ratio.... both are GREAT for strength... PP has been awesome for me regarding strength gains... as was epi.. its a toss up IMO...

 

[Solitude]

PP is a majority anabolic... i cant remember the ratio though and it may be stronger then Epi on the androgenic end... but epi definately dwarfs most with its anabolic ratio.... both are GREAT for strength... PP has been awesome for me regarding strength gains... as was epi.. its a toss up IMO...

So they are almost equal in both department you think?

 

[nycste]

So they are almost equal in both department you think?

comparing these two products yes. is what he said.

 

[poopypants]

So they are almost equal in both department you think?

hmmm PP was slightly better IMO... but only the OG AX pp.... i tried one of the clones and wasnt as impressed as i was with Epistane.

 

[Solitude]

comparing these two products yes. is what he said.

Ah ok.

So if either of you were to do a pulse using those two products, which one would you guys choose personally to be use as the pre-workout androgenic booster?

hmmm PP was slightly better IMO...

Better androgenically you mean? or just better overall?

but only the OG AX pp.... i tried one of the clones and wasnt as impressed as i was with Epistane.

What was the name of this clone that you tried?

 

[poopypants]

its no longer made.. it was made by SNS (methyl plex) RIGHT after PP was released... but honestly none of the clones as i hear it are as good.

and yes... except for sides (wich for me were still pretty low with PP... just more lethargy) i think PP is slightly better strength and mass gains wise.. the great thing bout epi is i get almost the exact same effect and its loads healthier and easeir to bounce back from doesnt make me lethargic and helped get rid of a majority of my gyno....

 

[pistonpump]

its no longer made.. it was made by SNS (methyl plex) RIGHT after PP was released... but honestly none of the clones as i hear it are as good.

and yes... except for sides (wich for me were still pretty low with PP... just more lethargy) i think PP is slightly better strength and mass gains wise.. the great thing bout epi is i get almost the exact same effect and its loads healthier and easeir to bounce back from doesnt make me lethargic and helped get rid of a majority of my gyno....

i agree here (even tho i havent seen the post this is in response to).

PP and Epi are similiar with PP giving more strength and mass and more of an "on" feeling. Epi is less harsh, can be run longer and has a "no gyno possible or i will help your gyno" attitude.

 

[Solitude]

zma

Wassup fellas?

What do you guys think of the implementation of ZMA during PH/PS cycle?

Will it make any significant difference during on-cycle or post cycle therapy? or is it just a waste of money?

 

[DGSky]

What are some other test booster options to be taken daily other than HDX2? Would Jungle Warfare be a good option?

 

[deadikated]

I don't know if it's just my comp or what but the search function wouldn't bring up crap on this issue.

Would it make sense to take a cap or two of ATD on off days? How about everyday of the pulse?

I'm just finishing my first week of my epi/zol pulse, and wanted to get this answered as soon as I could. Kind of just thought of it recently.

 

[Bomber]

Dr D/Everybody:

I have just finished my first pulse cycle. I used Epistane 40 mg every third day (my lift days). I did this for about 6 weeks, then used a little 6-Oxo for 2 weeks.

I gained about 9-10 lbs, which I still have even though I have been off the Epi for about 16 days. My strength went up pretty well and I still have it.

I will be going off the 6-Oxo today. Do you think I will see a drop in weight or strength?

Also, the only sides I got was some back and chest acne for a short while, but it went away. I got a little shrinkage down south and a loss of libido, but that came back after I stopped the Epi.

I plan on doing a pulsing cycle of Superdrol starting around Thanksgiving. Can you PLEASE tell me which clone/brand you recommend. I see a lot of knock off's and I want the stuff that works.

Thanks for all the advice, guys!:thumbsup:

 

[neoborn]

What are some other test booster options to be taken daily other than HDX2? Would Jungle Warfare be a good option?

Anabolic Drive ( coming out very soon ), Formestane ( boosted mine by estrogen inhibition ), JungleWarfare I believe. Activate Extreme etc.

Try some of those.

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[neoborn]

I plan on doing a pulsing cycle of Superdrol starting around Thanksgiving. Can you PLEASE tell me which clone/brand you recommend. I see a lot of knock off's and I want the stuff that works.

Thanks for all the advice, guys!:thumbsup:

:gotsearch:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/74114-superdrol-clones-vs.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/61883-what-superdrol-clone.html

 

[DGSky]

Anabolic Drive ( coming out very soon ), Formestane ( boosted mine by estrogen inhibition ), JungleWarfare I believe. Activate Extreme etc.

Try some of those.

Much Love,

Neoborn

Thanks Neo. I have the Form (in my Abliterate) and JW ready to go. Really looking forward to the Anabolic Drive, though.

xoxo Neo

 

[neoborn]

I would honestly get a blood test to know where currently stand DG. There are some other things that will help also:

Diet

Protein Shakes
Grilled Chicken breasts
canned tuna
mixed nuts
oatmeal..

Testosterone:

- sleep (8+hrs)
- flax seed oil/fish oil caps
- heavy, intense lifting
- rest
- hypercalorific diet
- fat intake should be above 30% of overall calories
- avoiding doing too much cardio
- zinc before sleep
- supplements with potential positive effect on natural test levels: TongKat Ali, tribulus, avena sativa..

Routine:
Squat
Dead
Bench
Pull up
Row
Power Clean
Military

 

[neoborn]

1. Workout hard - There are many different workout regimes, many that work well. Generally: Strength training is in the 6 rep range / Bodybuilding in the 8-10 rep range. - Rep range warmup: 15 ( sets 1 & 2 ) Working: 10, 8, 6 last three sets add drop sets to failure )

2. Fast Efficient Workouts = 1hr - This is not hard and fast but studies have shown that Cortisol rises after 1hr

3. Protein shake immediately after workout and then protein meal with carbs etc within 1hr

4. Creatine - Mono or CEE you decide. Both before and after workout.

5. Daily meals - 5 - 6 day ( including shakes ) protein = 1g per pound of body weight. Meal 1 ( breakies ) is shake plus oatmeal or whatever else you want ( apple is good fibre / system crap mover ), Meal 6 is post workout shake with creatine etc and then solid food meal. Carbs tapered down from morning to evening and fats tapered up from morning to evening. Protein is a constant.

6. Sleep 8 - 10 hrs a night ( very imp for all natural BB'ers )

7. Supps - Do you note the order in which these are and where supps come??? - a) Multivitamin / B complex b) Whey protein c) creatine e) Test boosters / stacks etc

Most importantly do you see the order of these things?

Exercises: Compound movements i.e. two arm two leg exercises.

1. Squats - Biggest muscle and boosts test like crazy, work em hard and see results big time.

2. Deadlifts / Chins / Bent over Rows / Pulldowns - 1st attempt either an palm up or palm down chin at the beginning of your back workout, if you can do one, try two if you can do 15 add weight. Most important for back is to make the mind / muscle connection. Concentrate ( start with low weight and excellent form ) on getting a good contraction and not swinging with the weight. Calm controlled up down with good squeeze of lats at bottom of rep. All about the connection / squeeze

3. Leg press

4. Flat Bench Dumbell / Barbell - Always swap it up, it takes more muscle etc to do dumbells ( stabilizing muscles etc ) but switch it up - Start with dips to hit lower chest then move to flat bench / incline.

5. Core work - Abs / lower back - work the weaker harder.

This should give you a good idea....Best thing for test.....squats ....good form, warm up well, be careful and grow!

 

[Bomber]

:gotsearch:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/74114-superdrol-clones-vs.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/61883-what-superdrol-clone.html

Yes, I had already read these. But they don't give conclusive answers. Dr. D, do you recommend anything? I am leaning towards M Vol or M drol.:duel:

 

[neoborn]

Yes, I had already read these. But they don't give conclusive answers. Dr. D, do you recommend anything? I am leaning towards M Vol or M drol.:duel:

I'm not trying to sway you or stop you from asking Dr.D but just helping you with some more information so perhaps you can make your own decision :

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3669211

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=826054

If you can't make up your mind from those threads, there is no hope good sir :thumbsup:

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[EasyEJL]

Thanks Neo. I have the Form (in my Abliterate) and JW ready to go. Really looking forward to the Anabolic Drive, though.

xoxo Neo

I wouldn't consider JW a test booster, it may lower test actually. Take a look at the JW blood test threads

 

[neoborn]

The whole term "boost testosterone" is a bit dubious if you ask me. There are ways but they all start with blood tests, knowing your age, finding out what's happening and the reason for it being low ( blood tests ) and then going from there.

There are things you can do naturally:

http://www.4-men.org/nutrition.html

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/jan00-cover2.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Raise-Testosterone-Levels&id=234124

http://www.musclebulletin.com/index/display/244

You really want to boost test?

Squats on one day and then Deadlifts on another. Work it hard . I get a surge of test / libido the day after doing legs!

 

[EasyEJL]

What are some other test booster options to be taken daily other than HDX2? Would Jungle Warfare be a good option?

Another one is resveratrol

 

[DR.D]

comparing these two products yes. is what he said.

I think PP is ~200:1200, so it's about twice as androgenic as Epi with comparable anabolism. That makes sense to me in real life too because I start getting acne with 20mg of Phera or about 40mg of Epi. I'd experiment for about a week with Epi pre/Phera post and then flip it for a week and see which I responded to better.

 

[DR.D]

Wassup fellas?

What do you guys think of the implementation of ZMA during PH/PS cycle?

Will it make any significant difference during on-cycle or post cycle therapy? or is it just a waste of money?

Yes! Take zinc and magnesium daily, year-round! Actually, take them at night after a small meal.

Always remember to stop taking magnesium, iron and calcium when you get sick! Bacteria need these elements to reproduce. A lot of people start doubling there multi-vitamin when they get sick but that's the worst thing to do because most are loaded with iron!

 

[DR.D]

I don't know if it's just my comp or what but the search function wouldn't bring up crap on this issue.

Would it make sense to take a cap or two of ATD on off days? How about everyday of the pulse?

I'm just finishing my first week of my epi/zol pulse, and wanted to get this answered as soon as I could. Kind of just thought of it recently.

Sure, 25mg ATD every night will work to greatly diminish shutdown and won't wreck your libido at that dose either.

 

[DR.D]

Dr D/Everybody:

I have just finished my first pulse cycle. I used Epistane 40 mg every third day (my lift days). I did this for about 6 weeks, then used a little 6-Oxo for 2 weeks.

I gained about 9-10 lbs, which I still have even though I have been off the Epi for about 16 days. My strength went up pretty well and I still have it.

I will be going off the 6-Oxo today. Do you think I will see a drop in weight or strength?

Also, the only sides I got was some back and chest acne for a short while, but it went away. I got a little shrinkage down south and a loss of libido, but that came back after I stopped the Epi.

I plan on doing a pulsing cycle of Superdrol starting around Thanksgiving. Can you PLEASE tell me which clone/brand you recommend. I see a lot of knock off's and I want the stuff that works.

Thanks for all the advice, guys!:thumbsup:

That's great! Impressive gains Bomber. 6-Oxo usage is not associated with weight loss or gain so I think you'll be fine with your strength and weight remaining fairly static till your next cycle.

I haven't tested all the knock-offs so I can't say, but I do work with this guy testing his products and can vouch for it's legitimacy. I've sent sample bottles to a few guys here like mmowry, mace, etc.. so you can ask them how they liked it:

http://www.geneticedge.co.uk/

He's located in the UK so I don't know how much a pound/dollar is these days or how expensive it is to import from this site, but it's a very high quality product and the only SD clone I endorse. He posts the chromo and results for every batch:

http://www.musclefinesse.com/supplements-genetic-edge.asp

 

[Solitude]

I think PP is ~200:1200, so it's about twice as androgenic as Epi with comparable anabolism.

Wow! 200 in the androgenic rating, that's awesome, I can't wait to give it a shot.. :bb3:

I'd experiment for about a week with Epi pre/Phera post and then flip it for a week and see which I responded to better.

I'll do that! :thumbsup:

Yes! Take zinc and magnesium daily, year-round! Actually, take them at night after a small meal.

Always remember to stop taking magnesium, iron and calcium when you get sick! Bacteria need these elements to reproduce. A lot of people start doubling there multi-vitamin when they get sick but that's the worst thing to do because most are loaded with iron!

Ah ok, thanks doc!

 

[Bomber]

I'm not trying to sway you or stop you from asking Dr.D but just helping you with some more information so perhaps you can make your own decision :

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3669211

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=826054

If you can't make up your mind from those threads, there is no hope good sir :thumbsup:

Much Love,

Neoborn

Posting here is like amateur boxing: you come in not really knowing what you are doing and get slapped around a little bit, but come away smarter than when you entered:thumbsup:

I found the answer in your links...

Thanks:bb3:

 

[Solitude]

Posting here is like amateur boxing: you come in not really knowing what you are doing and get slapped around a little bit, but come away smarter than when you entered:thumbsup:

LOL!!! :lol:

 

[jaymdubbs]

sometime in the future (maybe a few months) i was thinking about possibly running a m-drol pulse cycle, the safest way possible. there is A TON of information in this thread, as I have made it through about half of it, and see many different protocols being suggested.

my only experience with PH's so far have only been with 11 oxo (double dosed) for 6 weeks and I know that is a weak PH, but for the record all i did was run 6 oxo xtreme 2 weeks after, no shutdown or sides or loss of libido.

so here is my proposed cycle - taking it MWF

week 1 10, 20, 30
week 2 30, 30, 30
week 3 30, 30, 30
week 4 30, 30, 30
week 6 30, 30, 30

ive read that the liver support supps are optional, but low dose on off days is recommened

would it be beneficial to run 6 oxo 300mg on off days, or save it for after the cycle is over, or both?

 

[DR.D]

... would it be beneficial to run 6 oxo 300mg on off days, or save it for after the cycle is over, or both?

That looks like a good pulse. The 6-Oxo on off nights is probably your best bet, and I would keep it to 300mg or less, like you planned. You can play it by ear and extend it past the cycle for awhile too, if you feel you even need it.

 

[jaymdubbs]

thanks for response, greatly appreciated :dance:

 

[Dalamara]

I'm on my second week of an Epi pulse and am experiencing a gyno flareup!

I current take:

RPM pre-workout, Bulk PowerFULL at night, and Epi dosed was 10/20/30 for first three days, then 30mg Monday. After such a low dose I've noticed definite gyno.

I guess I'm naturally prone to gyno as I have some that developed when I was about 17 and has been there ever since. It wasn't noticable, but I could tell my right nipple was puffy and my left wasn't at all. Now you can definetly see and feel the fat deposits under both. What should I do? I didn't expect gyno at all on a pulse cycle, especially not after just four doses, and such low doses too!

Should I just end the cycle and start taking Nolva? Should I add an ATD(I was thinking Inhibit-E 25mg on offdays) and keep going with the cycle? Advice? Any reason why I would see gyno flareup so early in the cycle?

 

[DR.D]

thanks for response, greatly appreciated :dance:

Anytime Jay!

 

[TripDog]

The whole term "boost testosterone" is a bit dubious if you ask me. There are ways but they all start with blood tests, knowing your age, finding out what's happening and the reason for it being low ( blood tests ) and then going from there.

There are things you can do naturally:

http://www.4-men.org/nutrition.html

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/jan00-cover2.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Raise-Testosterone-Levels&id=234124

http://www.musclebulletin.com/index/display/244

You really want to boost test?

Squats on one day and then Deadlifts on another. Work it hard . I get a surge of test / libido the day after doing legs!

neo,i think we all need a pic to back up all your advice!!!!!!!......

you seem to be one sided all the time...well what are you packin"

yea anyone can post links and tell people to do something...

 

[DR.D]

I'm on my second week of an Epi pulse and am experiencing a gyno flareup!

I current take:

RPM pre-workout, Bulk PowerFULL at night, and Epi dosed was 10/20/30 for first three days, then 30mg Monday. After such a low dose I've noticed definite gyno.

I guess I'm naturally prone to gyno as I have some that developed when I was about 17 and has been there ever since. It wasn't noticable, but I could tell my right nipple was puffy and my left wasn't at all. Now you can definetly see and feel the fat deposits under both. What should I do? I didn't expect gyno at all on a pulse cycle, especially not after just four doses, and such low doses too!

Should I just end the cycle and start taking Nolva? Should I add an ATD(I was thinking Inhibit-E 25mg on offdays) and keep going with the cycle? Advice? Any reason why I would see gyno flareup so early in the cycle?

It's not genuine gyno from the sound of it, but if you're really worried about it, I would drop everything else but the epi and start 25mg ATD/night as well. Either that or start daily dosing the epi at 30mg. I have not talked to anybody so far that got gyno from epi, or couldn't get some degree of relief from pre-existing or current gyno with 30mg/d.

 

[Dalamara]

It's not genuine gyno from the sound of it, but if you're really worried about it, I would drop everything else but the epi and start 25mg ATD/night as well. Either that or start daily dosing the epi at 30mg. I have not talked to anybody so far that got gyno from epi, or couldn't get some degree of relief from pre-existing or current gyno with 30mg/d.

Hmmm thanks Dr. D

What else could it be? I've definetly noticed that my nipples are puffier, they stick waaaaay more then they did a week ago.

I'd like to continue the pulse if I can fix this puffy nipple thing eventually haha.

Would this problem go away after PCT? Should I just not worry about it, continue on with the cycle, use my SERM after pulse is over?

 

[DR.D]

neo,i think we all need a pic to back up all your advice!!!!!!!......

you seem to be one sided all the time...well what are you packin"

yea anyone can post links and tell people to do something...

LOL, Trip! Bro, don't ever ask a man "what he's packin" and ask for pics in the same sentence. Too many fruit loops like chad and jomi on the loose around here for that! j/k

 

[TripDog]

LOL, Trip! Bro, don't ever ask a man "what he's packin" and ask for pics in the same sentence. Too many fruit loops like chad and jomi on the loose around here for that! j/k

either way i know he won't post a pic of himself.......ya im callin him out,all in good fun!!
gotta be able to back up your words,if not do they really mean anything??!?!?!?

 

[DR.D]

Hmmm thanks Dr. D

What else could it be? I've definetly noticed that my nipples are puffier, they stick waaaaay more then they did a week ago.

I'd like to continue the pulse if I can fix this puffy nipple thing eventually haha.

Would this problem go away after post cycle therapy? Should I just not worry about it, continue on with the cycle, use my SERM after pulse is over?

That's the thing, I'm just not sure in this case. I can't say it's either of the other supps your on, but I seriously doubt it's the epi. If so, you would be the first case. It could be a temporary flare in the nipple region signifying some apoptosis going on or something, which is good in the long run, so I would stick with it another week probably and see what happens. If you start to itch, stop everything and abort the cycle with toremifene or raloxifene (or Nolva if that's all you have). When you don't know the root, all you can do is address the symptoms.

 

[Dalamara]

Thanks for the help and really quick responses Dr. D!

I don't think it's the Epi itself that's causing it, maybe the bounce back on the offdays is causing extra estrogen production. I am noticing more test on offdays. Libido is through the roof! Logically, wouldn't more test mean more estrogen too? As there would be extra test to turn into estrogen.

There's no sensitivity, itchyness, or soreness. They're just puffier. I'll keep going with the cycle, throw in some ATD on offdays and see how it goes. Thanks Dr. D!