Epi/ Furaguno pulse w/formex eod for the gyno prone
- 10-30-2009, 10:04 AM
Epi/ Furaguno pulse w/formex eod for the gyno prone
This is my pulse I'm about to start. I've done some AS before,(Its been a while). And Some PH as well. Nothing too major. Please give me your advice for a gyno prone/ a little pre existing gyno dude.
1. M,W,F 20mg/100mg Epi/fur
2. MWF 40mg/133mg
25mg Formex on Off Days
25MG Formex ED
Clomid 100mg per day 1st week
Nolva 20MG per day 1st week
Clomid 50mg ED next 3 weeks
Nolva 10mg ED Next 3 weeks
Let Me know what you think guys.
- 10-30-2009, 01:04 PM
- 10-30-2009, 03:32 PM
repost from orig. thread from sup section.
edit* i dont think it sucks, just needs some tinkering.
the epi/fura is dosed too low for noticiable gains, and what you do see will be from the epi.
use epi @ 30mg and go up.
use the fura starting @ 300mg, and go up.
anything less, you wont see anything from it.
what is up with the m/w/f thing. these aren't long estered steroids. they are orals, with a short half life. maybe 8hrs at the most.
so with that, you'll need to split up the dosage to 2-3 times per day.
with 10mg of epi & 150mg of fura pre w/o.
if you can go 8 weeks, fine, but 6 would be okay also.
pct looks fine, but pick one, nolva, or clomid. no need for both.
and save the formex for week 3 of pct. and get something like animal stak to take alog with the nolva for 3 weeks.
doesn't seem like you researched this too much. but idk, maybe you thought you would minimize shut down or something. idk.
you are running non aromatizable steroids, that are anti gyno so to speak, they should help remove it, but wont be much good without the right diet. you gotta get unfat.Olympus Labs Rep in the UK ;)
10-30-2009, 04:36 PM
I'm trying not to shut down, You're right. I had a gyno issue 14 days into 50mg/day of Hdrol. I dont want a repeat of that. Epi seem like it's safer as far as gyno goes. I'm pulsing to not cause any shut down and to minimize sides. I also read that pulsing gains are easier to maintain since they come on over a longer period of time. Minimize sides, keep gains, less pct, stay on longer.
10-31-2009, 11:37 AM
10-31-2009, 12:20 PM
Pulsing makes no sense to me as these are all short acting orals--that is, far less than 24 hrs. With androgen use one of the primary concerns is to maintain consistent blood levels of the androgens; you really don't want your blood levels of these drugs rising and falling precipitously. You want to avoid the roller coaster cascade of hormonal effects.
Would pulsing cause less shutdown--maybe, but I think given enough time your body will shut down whether you pulse or use a straight dosing protocol. However, I'm CERTAIN you will obtain much less results.
My feeling is that Epi--at least for me--is so side effect free, and relatively mild, that I see no reason to pulse. You have the Formex in there for gyno protection (even though Epi has anti-estrogen effects, I realize you may be prone and are paranoid, and other people have reported gyno from Epi).
So, I would forget the pulse and go straight through; if you feel the need for protection use either 25 mg. Formex ED, or 50 mg. EOD throughout the cycle. This dose of Formex should give you all the protection you need, but it can always be bumped up to 50 mg. ED if need be--though I think this unlikely.
10-31-2009, 01:36 PM
isn't furaguno---orstan-a a strong anti-e as well though, as it does not amortize at all. doesn't that mean that formex is useless because he is taking two ph's that don't convert to gyno at all?
10-31-2009, 01:49 PM
i understand the logic of consistent blood levels being better etc.. but pulsing you take the epi, which has a half life of ~6hrs, during your training window, and on off days it is out of your system
epi is an AI at only low doses of 10-20mg, but at normal cycles and pulses the doses are much higher + the fear is that the gyno will come AFTER the cycle and not during
10-31-2009, 02:54 PM
10-31-2009, 04:51 PM
A couple of points: until I see definitive proof that pulsing OVER TIME produces less supression than straight dosing, it's just guess work. I don't think this will turn out to be the case, however. So, while pulsing my take longer--and who knows how much longer-- to produce supression, it will produce supression.
Second, I can understand the fear of someone who is especially gyno prone. I think what's going on here is that even during a very suppressive cycle T levels perhaps never truly reach zero--there's still some (however slight) T left in the system. In the meantime the body has sensed low estrogen levels (due to low T levels), and has responded by upregulating the aromatase enzyme and, or, upregulating estrogen receptors. Thus, what T is left is now aromatized at a MUCH greater rate, and there is a greater concentration of estrogen receptors.
So, it does look like Formex could be useful during a non-aromatizing cycle IF you're prone to gyno.
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