1,4-andro, 4 weeks to kick in? To me, that's a misconception...

[neurotic]

hello,

I've used the search function several times and I've seen many many posts which state that 1,4-andro needs to be taken at least for 4 weeks in order for it to kick in... I don't see why a fast acting oral would take time to kick in, I could understand that if we are talking about a long acting ester such as Deca or equipoise ... but with an oral? I just don't get it. I'd really like that someone shed light on this and explained the theory behind it...

Thank you.

[NO MERCY]

I am interested in hearing some feedback on this as well

[MarcusG]

Probably because EQ is somewhat weaker than test/deca on a standalone roid cycle (I've not done those) and so we can't expect 1,4ad to outperform 4ad or 1-test as a standalone cycle unless you extend the cycle time.

[shadow_manifest]

I think it takes time for it to build up in your system. From my understanding the liver breaks down anything new for about 2 weeks. After 2 weeks it starts to let more and more through from what I've heard and read. So that may be the reason but I am not 100% sure.

[neurotic]

I think it takes time for it to build up in your system. From my understanding the liver breaks down anything new for about 2 weeks. After 2 weeks it starts to let more and more through from what I've heard and read. So that may be the reason but I am not 100% sure.

I don't really think that's the reason, for, when using orals, blood hormone levels climb sharply in a matter of hours. So you have high blood hormone levels from the very first day, so I think the idea of 1,4-andro taking weeks to kick in stems from the fact that EQ takes weeks to quick in due to its very long ester.

[ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday]

I think if you take a good dose of 600-1200 a day with something like 1test it should be a good cycle. It shoud definitle overcome the side of appetite suppression. I might try it really soon.

[NO MERCY]

Probably because EQ is somewhat weaker than test/deca on a standalone roid cycle (I've not done those) and so we can't expect 1,4ad to outperform 4ad or 1-test as a standalone cycle unless you extend the cycle time.

mmmm interesting

any other feedback anyone?

[Jeff]

I don't really think that's the reason, for, when using orals, blood hormone levels climb sharply in a matter of hours. So you have high blood hormone levels from the very first day, so I think the idea of 1,4-andro taking weeks to kick in stems from the fact that EQ takes weeks to quick in due to its very long ester.

Did i miss something? 1,4-andro does not have an ester.

it does have everything to do with your liver recognizing it as a foreign substance. Oral testosterone cycles work fast because your liver knows what it is and doesn't go after it, boldenone is NOT a natural human hormone, so your body will take a couple of weeks to adjust to it being there.

[Dwight Schrute]

I don't really think that's the reason, for, when using orals, blood hormone levels climb sharply in a matter of hours. So you have high blood hormone levels from the very first day, so I think the idea of 1,4-andro taking weeks to kick in stems from the fact that EQ takes weeks to quick in due to its very long ester.

Well the difference would be bioavailability compared to other orals (methylated). Blood hormone levels do rise rapidly but also dimimsh rapidly unless otherwise methyalted. BUt I tihnk your right in assuming that since EQ takes a while to have any effect, the consensus was that 1,4 andro wouold do the same. I agree that it shouldn't take that much time to have an effect. It should be equivalent to maybe 1AD.

[Chemo]

IMO, the effects from 1,4 should present within a week or two (aromatization, appetite, etc.) but the 4 week recommendation is to help illicit the generally mild anabolic response.

Chemo

[Dwight Schrute]

Did i miss something? 1,4-andro does not have an ester.

it does have everything to do with your liver recognizing it as a foreign substance. Oral testosterone cycles work fast because your liver knows what it is and doesn't go after it, boldenone is NOT a natural human hormone, so your body will take a couple of weeks to adjust to it being there.

It has nothing to do with it being natural. Oral testosterone is either methyalted or lymphatically absorbed (Andriol) so therfore bioavailabilty is increased.

[neurotic]

If you can do 2-weekers with other oral prohormones, you can also do them with 1,4-andro ... even better, because 1,4-andro has the highest oral bioavailability of all oral prohormones ---> around 40%.

[Dwight Schrute]

You could, but its relatively mild so I'm not sure how much you would gain from it. Its still a far cry from 17 alpha-alkylated orals in terms of bioavailibility so I tihnk the positive effects of such a short cycle would be minimal at best.

[neurotic]

You could, but its relatively mild so I'm not sure how much you would gain from it. Its still a far cry from 17 alpha-alkylated orals in terms of bioavailibility so I tihnk the positive effects of such a short cycle would be minimal at best.

Oral bioavailability is lower than that of 17AA orals, but you take higher doses in order to make up for that.
If 2-weekers using test and tren are effective, so will be 2-weekers using high doses of oral 1,4-andro y conjunction with high doses of transdermal 4-diol and cyclo 1-test.

[Dwight Schrute]

Lower? Yeah its more than 50% lower. And comparing Test and tren to 1,4andro isn't exactly wise. ITs apples and oranges. Actually its apples and watermelons. The difference is very drastic.

I'm not saying you won't see results, but it won't be that much and you have to take a lot of it to see anything. I would rather use something else thats more effective, like more 4AD or 1-Test. Just seems like a waste of money to me, but to each his own.

[neurotic]

Hmm, if you were to compare the Anabolic potency of testosterone to that of boldenone, miligram per miligram, what number would you get?

[Dwight Schrute]

No clue. Boldenone is good, but not as good as Test. Thats just from personal experience. They do stack well together because there anabolic effects are mediated differently but overall nothing is as good as Test in terms of gains.

[neurotic]

but overall nothing is as good as Test in terms of gains.

I don't think Nandi12 would agree with you ...
There are steroids with an anabolic potency miligram per miligram bigger than that of test ... tren and 1-test come to my mind.
Take into account that I'm speaking about SKELETAL MUSCLE GAINS ... if you are talking about muscle + WATER gains then... welll... perhaps nothing is as good as test in that case.

[Dwight Schrute]

The he can disagree. Ask most AAS users what they like the best and the majority of the time its Test. I don't care about mg to mg or whatever Vida ratio you can give me, as far as results, Test is king IMO. Vida's ratios are based on what dosages should be. If we went by ratios all the time then methyltrienolone would be king and its not. Methyltest would be the best oral out there and it sucks. Ratios are a guideline for doisages compared to a standard. Test will always be the best IMO, and thats from experience. I've gained more off of Test than anything and I've done several tren cycles along with Drol, Dbol, 1-test, M1T, Winny, etc...

1-test better than Test? In your dreams...


I'm out...I need sleep.

[Dwight Schrute]

There are steroids with an anabolic potency miligram per miligram bigger than that of test ... tren and 1-test come to my mind.
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Your too hung up on ratios.