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    Deca - did i screw myself...?


    Hey guys. So i just picked up a 10 week cycle of Deca. I took my first injection yesterday. I know im stupid for not researching it first, trust me I KNOW. So i did a ton of looking into and i now know im supposed to be taking my 200mg of deca with something called TEST. So because ive already started my cycle, and dont want to waste that one injection, i just want to know how bad is the GNC version of Test Booster? that and how much should i be taking? i also know that after my cycle is done i need to get on Clomid to help me all my chemical levels back on track. So just for these 10 weeks, i just want to make sure that the deca/test is the way to go, and if the GNC version will work.

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    ARE YOU SERIOUS?????? this is a joke right?
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    Testosterone enanthate
    Testosterone enanthate


    Quick overview:


    Active Life: 15-16 days
    Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
    Average Dose: Men 250-1000 mg/week
    Acne: Yes
    Water Retention: Yes, high
    High Blood Pressure: Yes
    Liver Toxic: Low, except in mega dosages
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    DHT Conversion: Yes, high
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    Being a testosterone product, all the standard androgenic side effects are also to be expected. Oily skin, acne, aggressiveness, facial/body hair growth and male pattern baldness are all possible. Older or more sensitive individuals might therefore choose to avoid testosterone products, and look toward milder anabolics like DecaDurabolin or Equipoise which produce fewer side effects. Others may opt to add the drug Proscar/Propecia, which will minimize the conversion of testosterone into DHT (dihydrotestosterone). With blood levels of this metabolite notably reduced, the impact of related side effects should also be reduced. With strong bulking drugs however, the user will generally expect to incur strong side effects and will often just tolerate them. Most athletes really do not find the testosterones all that uncomfortable (especially in the face of the end result), as can be seen with the great popularity of such compounds.

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    mmmmkay....if this is not a joke....dont run your deca....you only pinned once....stop taking this and learn about what you are doing to your body.....spend time on am....research.....figure it out....steroids are not a joke and you obviously have no clue what your doing....your going to hurt yourself....
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    My dear lord......


    You don't have to run Deca with Test, thats just a favorite stack people like to put together. I personally love Deca by itself.
    It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    mmmmkay....if this is not a joke....dont run your deca....you only pinned once....stop taking this and learn about what you are doing to your body.....spend time on am....research.....figure it out....steroids are not a joke and you obviously have no clue what your doing....your going to hurt yourself....
    Or just give it to me...
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    oh....and the gnc test booster will not work....whatever is in that product it is meant to boost your natural levels of testosterone.....natty test will be completely suppressed while on deca....if you have any questions please ask...we will eventually quit flaming you....you just have to understand your first post just showed us that your in way over your head.....
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    speechless.....

    This is definitely a joke though... has to be.
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    No, this wasnt a joke. It all kind of happened really fast. I have been interested juicing for a long time, but never know how to get a hold of some. a buddy of mine at work told me that he had a bunch he had to get rid of, so i bought about 10 weeks worth off of him. I only took the first injection because he wanted to show me the right way to do it. I was planning on doing a bunch of research. this only happened yesterday so its not like ive been on the cycle for a few weeks. ANYWAY, thats why i came here to see if i could get some help. I read that should should deffiantely be taking the test booster, so i was just seeing if the GNC stuff would work so i wouldnt have to order any offline. But i have now learned that i wont so i guess im gonna have to figure out how to get a hold of some. So being a first timer, is anyone able to give me any advice? I do know what im getting myself into, and i do know the risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    No, this wasnt a joke. It all kind of happened really fast. I have been interested juicing for a long time, but never know how to get a hold of some. a buddy of mine at work told me that he had a bunch he had to get rid of, so i bought about 10 weeks worth off of him. I only took the first injection because he wanted to show me the right way to do it. I was planning on doing a bunch of research. this only happened yesterday so its not like ive been on the cycle for a few weeks. ANYWAY, thats why i came here to see if i could get some help. I read that should should deffiantely be taking the test booster, so i was just seeing if the GNC stuff would work so i wouldnt have to order any offline. But i have now learned that i wont so i guess im gonna have to figure out how to get a hold of some. So being a first timer, is anyone able to give me any advice? I do know what im getting myself into, and i do know the risks.
    Whatever you read didn't mean you should take a test booster from GNC. It was saying that you need to be injecting actual testosterone as a base on top of your deca. However, what i think you should have taken from whatever you read was that you are nowhere near ready for gear!

    Tell us a little about yourself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    No, this wasnt a joke. It all kind of happened really fast. I have been interested juicing for a long time, but never know how to get a hold of some. a buddy of mine at work told me that he had a bunch he had to get rid of, so i bought about 10 weeks worth off of him. I only took the first injection because he wanted to show me the right way to do it. I was planning on doing a bunch of research. this only happened yesterday so its not like ive been on the cycle for a few weeks. ANYWAY, thats why i came here to see if i could get some help. I read that should should deffiantely be taking the test booster, so i was just seeing if the GNC stuff would work so i wouldnt have to order any offline. But i have now learned that i wont so i guess im gonna have to figure out how to get a hold of some. So being a first timer, is anyone able to give me any advice? I do know what im getting myself into, and i do know the risks.
    well...i was in to help right up until this point....you obviously dont know the risks and you dont know what your getting yourself into....unsubbed....oh read this thread...you are one of the people we are talking about....
    can i stack epi/phera/winstrol/d-bol and anadrol?
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    Bro...........I did something almost as stupid as you, but all i did was mix short ester with long ester and did my cutting cycle or gear before my bulking cycle. I did want to cut, but then decided to bulk. anyway long story short, stop, listen to mooch. the guy knows his **** and will not steer you the wrong way.
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    Ok,so yeah i read the post. I dont mean to be a pain in the ass or anything. Just was doing some research and this was the first site that popped up. Anyway a little about myself...I'm 21 years old, 160lb, 5'10. I've been going to tge gym for about a year spending probably $200 a month in crap from GNC to try to bulk up. In a year ive really only gained about 20lb from when i started. So, i looked into trying this stuff. I only planned on taking 250mg of deca once a week for 10 weeks, at least thats what my buddy set me up on. He said that because the dose was so low that i could go with the GNC Test booster and would be ok, and that also becuase it was so low, that i really didnt need to take clomid. So thats why i came here. I have heard so many different opinions about this subject i just even more confused.
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    ]alright so maybe your right Mooch , i just know what ive been told, so i guess its all really second hand. i wouldn really love some advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    Ok,so yeah i read the post. I dont mean to be a pain in the ass or anything. Just was doing some research and this was the first site that popped up. Anyway a little about myself...I'm 21 years old, 160lb, 5'10. I've been going to tge gym for about a year spending probably $200 a month in crap from GNC to try to bulk up. In a year ive really only gained about 20lb from when i started. So, i looked into trying this stuff. I only planned on taking 250mg of deca once a week for 10 weeks, at least thats what my buddy set me up on. He said that because the dose was so low that i could go with the GNC Test booster and would be ok, and that also becuase it was so low, that i really didnt need to take clomid. So thats why i came here. I have heard so many different opinions about this subject i just even more confused.


    your "buddy" is worse than you.
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    heres some good places to start.....the only other thing im gonna say is you are by no means at a point where you should be doing steroids......


    http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner...deca&sa=Search

    http://www.steroid.com/Deca.php

    http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...archid=1247001
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    im sorry i don't like flaming or getting flamed....... but this is just too much. at least you joined anabolic minds. you will get alot of good info if you spend time reading. So if you are going to run steroids. Start reading!!! and use the search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    ]alright so maybe your right Mooch , i just know what ive been told, so i guess its all really second hand. i wouldn really love some advice
    I'll give you some real basic advise. I've run strictly Deca many, many times at 500mg/week with outstanding results. You can run just Deca if you choose. A lot of people will talk about loss of libido or deca d ick but I experienced quite the opposite while on Deca, probably a rare case. Any who, if you are going to run just the Deca take 200mg per day of B6, you can pick that up at any store. Pay attention to you nips, if gyno were to set in,(highly doubt it) take 80 mg of TAMOXIFEN CITRATE (that is not something you will get at a health food store). You should find that online immediately to cover your arse. Because if you are ordering it after gyno issues have kicked in, its too late.
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    why would he ever need that high of a dose of nolva? thats ridiculous....i see eye to eye on the deca only cycle...everybody is different...but that is a lot of nolva....
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    what is gyno exactly? bitch tits?
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    why would he ever need that high of a dose of nolva? thats ridiculous....i see eye to eye on the deca only cycle...everybody is different...but that is a lot of nolva....
    80mg of nolva a day is tough on the liver. I did 80mg/day for the first 3 days after a harsh cycle recently then a week at 60, week at 40, week at 20, week at 10. I'd probably just do the 60/40/20/10 from now on, as I think the 80 was overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    why would he ever need that high of a dose of nolva? thats ridiculous....i see eye to eye on the deca only cycle...everybody is different...but that is a lot of nolva....

    Only in the case he were to develop gyno related issues. I'm not suggesting he run that in addition to his cycle, only in the event gyno is a problem. Thats what I was always told by my former manufacture and he was the smartest guy I ever meet when it came to these things.

    He could also run .5mg-1mg of Arimidex (Anastrozole) if gyno were to become a problem (daily).
    It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    what is gyno exactly? bitch tits?
    *** damn it son, are you serious!?!
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    nolva has a 7 day have life....it has a compounding effect...40 would be the highest i would ever dose this.....20mgs is plenty for getting rid of gyno....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    80mg of nolva a day is tough on the liver. I did 80mg/day for the first 3 days after a harsh cycle recently then a week at 60, week at 40, week at 20, week at 10. I'd probably just do the 60/40/20/10 from now on, as I think the 80 was overkill.
    Not telling him to run it continuosly, just in case he develops nip issues. I wouldnt suggest running that high a dose for an extended period of time either, but elevated liver values would not be what I would be concerned about if I'm developing some nice C cups. The liver would rebound fine.
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    yeah, lol thats what i thought they were. Thanks a lot for the info, those links were very helpful. I had no idea that even such a small dose could f up tour test. so much. So it looks like i need to get a hold of some Test Booster, not that GNC ****, and some clomid to help get my chemical balance back to normal after i cycle off. Question for Eviladams though, what would be the signifigance of the B6 insted of the test booster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    nolva has a 7 day have life....it has a compounding effect...40 would be the highest i would ever dose this.....20mgs is plenty for getting rid of gyno....
    Not disagreeing with you, many people have different opinions, nothing wrong with that. I'm also assuming that he isn't using nolva tabs but a citrate, which is less strong.
    It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
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    b-6 is a prolactin antagonist....helps with gyno.....and you need injectable test if your going to add that in...not a test booster...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    yeah, lol thats what i thought they were. Thanks a lot for the info, those links were very helpful. I had no idea that even such a small dose could f up tour test. so much. So it looks like i need to get a hold of some Test Booster, not that GNC ****, and some clomid to help get my chemical balance back to normal after i cycle off. Question for Eviladams though, what would be the signifigance of the B6 insted of the test booster?
    you are killing. You're *** damn killing me. Its not "instead" of test or a test booster. Read above by mooch^^^^^^^
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    Yeah thats what i ment, the injectable test not that GNC ****. And thanks for the advice about the B6. Im sorry if im a pain in the ass, the info is really helping me out
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEverii View Post
    Yeah thats what i ment, real test booster not that GNC ****. And thanks for the advice about the B6. Im sorry if im a pain in the ass, the info is really helping me out
    Holy ****, for the love of god.. Stop saying "test booster". No one is talking about a test booster..
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    lol yeah i fixed it, i realized that they were two different things
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    imprez to the rescue....take over from here man....ima go to bed.....trainin at 5:00 in the am tmorow
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    I need a ****ing nap after this.
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    cool. thanks a lot for the advice guys
  

  
 

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