there you go. my post was for entertainment purposes only. but seriosly its really good.
The ONE
Yes, it's excellent. Everything that AN said it would be. No hairloss issues from any testers or loggers so far.
Surprisingly (even to some of us), no hairloss. Outside Backer has plenty of other products he has to avoid at this point because he is QUITE prone to MPB, but had no shedding on The ONE
Actually, I found a website the other day selling it for $59.99. Cheers!
Does the anabolic ratio on paper really matter? Honestly methyl-dien has the best ratio + q rating out of any anabolic, and isn't that impressive even at moderately high dose. anyho
everything i hear about this thing seems to make it seem like a miracle drug! hatends to raise libido
I won't quite say no sides, some guys get a little acne, my original run i got some scalp acne which sucked extra (but responded fine to dandruff shampoo), and you can't take it too much after lunchtime and still hope to sleep normally.
so your suggesting no SERM?I won't quite say no sides, some guys get a little acne, my original run i got some scalp acne which sucked extra (but responded fine to dandruff shampoo), and you can't take it too much after lunchtime and still hope to sleep normally.
Suggested PCT is all natural, comes with 2nd gear a 6-bromo based product. Normally we'd suggest adding a natural testosterone booster to that, it also seems like suppression is not excessive on The ONE
Rat prostates are not exactly accurate predictors of anabolic and androgenic action!
No doubt, otherwise Methyl dienelone would have been the best steroid ever
I dont understand the need for anything then. If test and estrogen aren't suppressed then whats the need for PCT at all? If this doesn't aromatize then whats the need for an AI like 6Bromo? Seems like the only thing that 6Bromo will do is liken the chance of delayed gyno because of estrogen rebound.no, not really similar to phera
Well, heres the thing. What does a serm really do in the short span of time its run? it prevents estrogen from binding to the receptors in your chest, preventing you from growing boobs. The reason that is valuable is if your body stopped producing testosterone during the cycle, and then there was nothing in bloodstream to convert to estrogen then your estrogen levels would also have gone to 0 during cycle, and your estrogen receptors may have become extra sensitive. then with the return of testosterone after exogenous hormones are no longer being taken suddenly there is a surge in estrogen, which can cause gyno.
BUT... if suppression isn't that large, and estrogen and testosterone levels didn't dip that significantly while on cycle, then a SERMs value is lower
Yes, The ONE is methylated.
Can you please PM that to me, since they are not allowed to be doing that. Cheers.
So far loggers are reporting INcreased libido.
its not that they aren't suppressed at all, but they aren't suppressed heavily.
So lets see, Im going to think this out as I write.
Good point. I'd like to hear AN's response to this myself, but if I had to guess I'd say its really all in their marketing structure. Seemed from the start a big crowd this was geared towards is the natural supplement takers, introducing them to their first PH, while the 2nd gear gives off the peace of mind that this is the easiest, no-brainer PH on the market. Just my speculation, mostly due to the fact that alot of the pre-release hype was spread into supplement sections, and then I saw just how many people said this will be the product to introduce them into the PH world.
I'm not sure by who, and I don't believe that is accurate at all. Otherwise in the level of dosage suggested by Anabolic Xtreme for Hyperdrol X2 (200mg/day) it would totally set estrogen levels to 0. Our recommendation is to use no more than 50mg/day for PCT.
I still would like to see significant evidence that in the timeframes commonly used that SERMs actually stimulate HPTA recovery. From what documentation i've seen, when used that way by doctors they don't expect results till 3-6 months worth of dosing. Also with nolva you run a risk of counting on it working as a SERM while there is a possibility that based on genetics it may not work for you (roughly 25% of women who it is used on for breast cancer purposes have this happen, no significant studies done on men for this but i believe this is what "causes" superdrol "rebound gyno"). Also with any of the SERMs, you are taking the chance that what the research chem company says is in the bottle is whats actually there, and that the concentration is correct, neither of which is much of a guarantee. You also of course run the legal risks associated with it. Don't forget the other side effects too, vision issues, higher hepatoxicity than the methyl steroids, etc
Please dont say that the 2nd Gear is "Free" either :smashfreakB:
Well, you sort of have it there. One of the things that gets asked about over and over and over again is "what should I use for PCT". We feel that 2nd Gear is a sufficient PCT for The ONE run as per label directions, so to take the question out of "what should I use" we're packaging it together. Running illegal and potentially hazardous research chemicals is often a bit of overkill. Go back to the bodybuilders of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Talk to the guys who won the Olympia over those decades, and ask what they used for PCT after juicing.....
Most of them nothing... No 6bromo and I3C I know that much. And nowhere does it say Nolva and other SERMs need to come from a research chem. maker.
Mhmm indeed, I get mine from India! pill form, baby! :cheers:
Yeah, but honestly getting the SERMs "underground" in any form entails risks of it not being what it states on the package. Theres plenty of that going around for sure. I suppose if you have a friendly doctor he can prescribe it for you.
as he does really know his stuff. But as he sort of says what it does if it goes in your mouth instead of an IV can be significantly different compound to compound. I can see where youre coming from. basically want I want assurance about is that:Yeah, but honestly getting the SERMs "underground" in any form entails risks of it not being what it states on the package. Theres plenty of that going around for sure. I suppose if you have a friendly doctor he can prescribe it for you.
At least I respect matt's opinion
My point with the pros was that even without SERMs how many had gyno? very few. And thats with them on extended length cycles of testosterone, tren, etc. A 4 week oral cycle just isn't going to cause that same level of suppression, and the goal of PCT is to return you to homeostasis, not to cause wider swings in hormone balance.
Cheers to the extensive testing done before releasing to the public :laugh:
The bloods WERE Don's. And The ONE was the ONLY hormonal he was using at the time.
Actually, out of the 19 people currently logging The ONE, only 3 - Dirk (aka rms80), Eric (aka EasyEJL), and Joel (aka Aeternitatis/G. W. Hayduke) -are "related to APPNUT".
Why no T levels? And are you running theone?
Yes, he IS running The ONE: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/118819-jayhawkks-one-log.html
Thanks, guess I shoulda used a page search before I asked. But my main question was about the T Levels. Just curious
Illegal SERMs? LOL! Only in one state, and you're not in it. Try the next supp company lie. Show the hazards as well, compared to the research showing sides of I3C and 6 bromo (don't bother - they don't have 1/20th the research so you don't know they are safer). I'll guarantee you show only studies done on female cancer patients with much longer durations than we use. That myth is so played out, I can't believe you even attempted to quote the "dangerous SERMs" lie. Wow. Nice marketing, regardless of the lack of truth.
They are illegal in all 50 states in the US as they are prescription drugs being used without a prescription.
what do you think about this product Rodja? have you had significant strength gains or do you see this as more of a mass PH? Cheers, angel77