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Old 01-02-2009, 01:57 PM  
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LOG Start: Jan 5th - Hdrol/Epi/Clen

After doing a lot of research and discussions with various people on here, i feel this is the best cycle for me.

My goal is basically is to add 5 lbs of LBM and drop about 10 lbs of fat...

Very Clean Diet....Under 30 grams of Sugar a Day

40/40/20 Diet, and ill have carb up days once in a while.

Cardio 3 - 5 x a week
Weights 5 - 6x a week

A lot of Pre Fatigue Workouts, to kill the Muscle fibers early

I will keeping full log, so Be Ready for Monday Stats will be recorded and Pics



Week 1: Cycle Assist
Week 2: Cycle Assist, 50 Mgs Hdrol
Week 3: Cycle Assist, 75 Mgs Hdrol
Week 4 - 5: Cycle Assist, 75 Mgs Hdrol, 30 Mgs Epistane
Week 6 - 7: Cycle Assist, 75 Mgs Hdrol, 40 Mgs Epistane, Clenbuterol 80Mcgs
Week 8 - 9: PCT Assist, Clenbuterol 80 Mcgs, 40 Mgs Nolva
Week 10 - 11: PCT Assist, Clenbuterol 80 Mcgs, 20 Mgs Novla
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when i did it i started clen at day 1 of the orals. and kept it through PCT.



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make sure u have enough joint support for this. it will be very very dry



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Ahhh Yesss...

Im Taking Liv 52, Cissius, and 10 mgs of Omega 3,6,9 a day, Glutamine, along with a B-Complex and MultiVitamin.....and 1 1/2 Gallon of water a day

I know these will be very dry and lean gains, its what i want...

Im very flexible and my joints and bones are in very good condition...

Let me know if anyone has any other info they would like to share with me

Please Talk.. The More Info the better
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Im Taking Liv 52, Cissius, and 10 mgs of Omega 3,6,9 a day, Glutamine, along with a B-Complex and MultiVitamin.....and 1 1/2 Gallon of water a day

I know these will be very dry and lean gains, its what i want...

Im very flexible and my joints and bones are in very good condition...

Let me know if anyone has any other info they would like to share with me

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i lost 12 pounds in 4 weeks on the stack and got SUPER strong. stronger then when i was on Sdrol and Winztrol



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i lost 12 pounds in 4 weeks on the stack and got SUPER strong. stronger then when i was on Sdrol and Winztrol
U gain any LBM??? how did u eat? cardio? kind or weight training???
Bf % change??
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U gain any LBM??? how did u eat? cardio? kind or weight training???
Bf % change??

no cardio,

diet was 50/20/15 protein carb fat per meal, 6 meals, last meal only protein and fat,

i dont think i lost any muscle becuase i kept gaining strength, however the scale only went down.

DC style training. BF was significantly better, and i was much harder.



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Well...

Sounds like ill be doing more cardio and more eating, and a lil more vigorous working out...Tits...cant wait
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anyone have any ideas about the cycle..what should i add ????
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh......Yes

Well I've Been taking my Cycle Assist, Liv 52, Omegas 369, Cissus, Glutamine, for a week now and start the Happiness 2morrow...Slight Changes....

2morrow is Day 1

Day 1 - Day 6 50 Mgs Hdrol
Day 7 - Day 42 75 Mgs Hdrol

Day 16 - Day 33 30 Mgs Epistane
Day 34 - Day 42 40 Mgs Epistane

Day 32 - Day 68 80 Mcgs Clenbuterol

Day 43 - Day 68 PCT Time


Last 3 Days

Avg 3200 Cals, 45 38 17 - Pro/Carbs/Fat

Yesterdays Workout:

AM - 25 Mins Step, 25 Mins Eliptical - 750 Cals Burned
PM - Arms

Skull Krushers - 85 x 12, 8, 8
- Close Grip Bench After Each Set 85 till Failure

Single Arm Standing DB Curl - 45 x 8, 7, 6
- Burn Out After Each Set With 20's Till Failure

Single Arm Cable Reverse Grip Tri Push Downs - 35 x 12, 12, 42.5 x 6
- Drop Down Set 25, 15 Till Failure on Last Set

Preacher EZ Bar Close Grip Curls Slow(5 Seconds down, 1 up)
60 x 12, 10, 8

Cable Kick Backs 20 x 12, 12, 10
- Burn Out After Each Set Single Arm Tri Ext 20's Till Failure

Pre Fatigue Bicep Standing Alt Curls (Pump 2x and hold until next arm is done) 25 x 8, 6
- Burn Out with Alt DB curls 15 Till Failure

Tricep Rope Pull Down 60 x 10, 8
- Burn out after last set, 40, 20 Till Failure

Alt Arm DB Curls 30 x 12, 12, 12
- Reverse Barbell Curls After Each Set - 60 Till Failure

Dips - 3 Sets Till Failure
Triangle Pushups - 3 Sets Till Failure

Shoulders Today ( 1pm ), Legs and Chest 2morrow ( 1 PM and 10 Pm ) ...Will Log 2morrow
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IMO, 40mg Nolva is too much...maybe start w/30 and taper down.

Example: Day 43-49 = 30mg, 50-56 = 20mg, 57-68 = 10mg

Or, if you're hellbent on 40mg, maybe try a "kickstart" period of 40mg for a couple days. Two weeks of 40 is too much (IMO).

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IMO, 40mg Nolva is too much...maybe start w/30 and taper down.

Example: Day 43-49 = 30mg, 50-56 = 20mg, 57-68 = 10mg

Or, if you're hellbent on 40mg, maybe try a "kickstart" period of 40mg for a couple days. Two weeks of 40 is too much (IMO).

Good luck and thanks for sharing!

Ahhh...Yes..Forgot to mention....Im only doing 40 Mgs for the 1st 5 days..then 20 for the rest

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And Depending On Results at around Week 7 - 8 ... Debating on a Lil Anavar for Sh&t and giggles
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Ahhh...Yes..Forgot to mention....Im only doing 40 Mgs for the 1st 5 days..then 20 for the rest

Thanx

And Depending On Results at around Week 7 - 8 ... Debating on a Lil Anavar for Sh&t and giggles
Alrighty! Might I suggest a taper from 20 to 10mg for the last several days or so? I'm an incremental-type of guy....I have no evidence that what you proposed is harmful, it's just that I prefer more gradients in my tapering. Just sharing here.

Ah, Anavar...yes, yes. What are you thinking for dose and duration?



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Still Debating....Going to do more research on it....I've heard a couple different ideas...What would ur suggestion Be????

Shoulder Workout:

Shoulder DB Press 60s x 12, 10, 8
- Burn Out Single Arm Isolation DB Shoulder Press 25 x Failure after each set

Front Lateral DB Raises 40s x 8, 8, 8

Side Lateral DB Raises 35 x 10, 10, 8
- Burn Out 20 to Failure after each set

Bent Over Laterals DB 35 x 10, 10, 8

Upright Barbell Raises 95 x 12, 115 x 12, 125 x 8

Indian Pushups 3 sets till failure

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Cardio Again

I also just did additional 40 mins of cardio 2night, so My weigh in will be 2morrow as soon as i Wake up..and ill keep it like that for the rest of log so its consistent.

Day 1 2morrow 50 mgs of H-Drol..The 1st couple of days will prob be boring for all, but ill try to keep it interesting...If thats possible....Ahhhhh 10 hours till Methyls Yummy

Once again Goals:

Decrease Body Fat by 3 - 5 %, and Increase LBM by 5 Lbs...
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Day 1 - 50 Mgs H-Drol (25am/25pm)
Weight 199 After Piss In Morning
Body Fat 13 % - Calipers - Hand Held Piece Of Sh*t, i dont Trust

Workout, Nutrition, and Measurements to come 2morrow...Hopefuly we are going to have fun
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Nice log, subbed to this. I plan on trying something similar in the future and this will be a great resource for me. Best of luck!
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i lost 12 pounds in 4 weeks on the stack and got SUPER strong. stronger then when i was on Sdrol and Winztrol
Hey Crazy, I've read that Clen could limit strength and size if taken during cycle. Is that false? I'm gonna be starting PPlex and SDrol bridge in February and I want to get really strong
but RIPPED! What would you suggest?



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Well..

I must say...I am new to the whole pro hormones/designer steroids....I have done Gear back 6 years ago, when i was stupid and wish i knew what i know now....but... S-drol and Pplex is more toxic then H-drol and Epi....

S-drol has more wet gains then H-Drol

What im doing is very dry gains, hence why i need a lot of support for joints and other....

I would also only do Gear again if i ever got under 10 % , and i feel S-Drol is very Toxic from what ive been reading..if i would ever do S-Drol, Id Rather Pin

I feel work your ass off, and when you have hit a plataeu, or just cant hit that next step then ok, do gear...

I hate ppl who are at 15 - 20 % BF and r like im doing this and that...WHY not only are u not in good shape..but now u will be bloated..AWESOME...Girls are gonna love that and yourself

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1st Workout On Da Methyls

1st day, not feeling much different.. Maybe that placebo i can lift more attitude...Just very thirsty....

Chest
Incline DB’s 90’s x 10, 8, 6
-Burn Out After Last Set 45’s x 9
Incline DB Flys 45’s x 10, 8, 8
-Burn Out After Last Set 25’s x 8
Barbell Flat Bench Press 185 x 12, 225 x 8, 245 x 6
-Burn Out After Last Set 135 x 12
Cable Crossovers 70 x 8, 8, 8
-Burn Out After Last Set 50 x 8, 30 x 12
Cable Decline 40 x 10, 8, 8
-Burn Out After Last Set 20 x 12
Chest Forward Dips (for Lower Pecs) 20 reps, 15 reps, 12 reps - All 2 Failure
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Day 2 - 50 Mgs Hdrol

I must say, i couldnt wait to hit the gym today..the blood was flowing...and when i was there i felt like a god...Took 45 seconds between sets, no herky jerky motions, kept to great form and had a great work out...I felt more strength and more endurance than normal today...No Pain, No Side Effects Yet..Diet is great...i will give u more info on diet at a later time..i basically eat the same **** every day..but spice it up...

Am : 50 Mins Cardio and 15 Mins Abs

Pm: Back

Lat Pulldowns - 140 x 12, 160 x 8, 6
-Burn Out After Last Set 100 x 12

Seated Long Row - 160 x 9, 9, 8
- Burn Out After Last set 100 x 12

Bent Over Barbell Rows I like to do supersets with these but only 2 Sets, very quick as well no rest inbetween
115 x 8, 85 x 8, 65 x 12 - 2 Times

Seated Hammer Upright Rows - 170 x 8, 8, 8
- Burn out 100 x 12

Seated Lower Back Pushes..Not quite sure exactly the name for them.... Max weight 300 x 15, 15, 15

All in all i left with Gas Left in the Tank, but didnt want to Push it...THought maybe it was just placebo effect, but all in all great

Im HUNGRY every 2 - 2.5 hrs, love it, today i felt like i was on top of the world...

Oh..Also not sure if i mentioned it, but i take NO- Explode pre workout supplement as well....Been taking for a while now...

More 2 Come 2morrow... Cardio Am, followed By Legs and ....Depends How Im Feeling...

I have a bad knee so i tend to take it easy on my legs, im still going through Physical Therapy for my Left Knee soooo...weights will be low but large reps and slow

I dont like to weigh myself every day..so i will be weighing every 5 days...Just for **** and giggles i weighed myself today...and i was 201.4, so that would of been up 2.4 lbs..but once again...not buying the hype...Keep tuned..Foooooooo
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Day 3 - 50 Mgs Hdrol

Weoooooooooooow......I Must Say The Pumps So Far Are Awesome.....Felt my skin was going to burst....Good Times...No Side Effects...Was going to workout Legs 2day...But my knee was hurting after bowling...Ongoing Issue....

AM: Cardio 50 Mins, 10 Mins Abs

PM: Arms

Skull EZ-Bar Krushers - 85 x 12, 10, 9
- Burn Outs After Each Set Near Grip Presses 85 x Failure

Standing DB Alt Curls - 45 x 10, 10, 6
- Burn Out After Last Set 25 x 8

Reverse Tri Pushdown - 42.5 x 8, 8, 7
- Burn Out After Last Set 25 x 8, 15 x 8

Preacher Single Arm DB Curls - 35 x 12, 8
- Burn Out After Each Set EZ Bar Close Grip Curls 45 x 12, 8

Cable Kickbacks - 25 x 10, 9 , 6
- Burn Out After Each Set OH Single Arm Tri Extentions - 20 x 10, 9 , 6

Pre Fatigue Bicep Alt Curls 25 x 8, 8, 6
- Burn Out After Each Set Single Arm Alt Dumbell Curls 15 x Failure

Rope Tricep Pushdowns - 60 x 10, 6
- Burn Out After Each Set 30 x 10, 6

Hammer Curls - 35 x 10, 10, 10
- Burn Out After Each Set Reverse Curls EZ Bar 50 x 8, 8, 8

Dips - 2 sets till Failure (25, 22)
- 2 set till Failure with 20 lb Weight on Feet (14, 10)

Triangle Pushups - 3 sets Til Failure ( Brain Stopped Working)


All in all Great Workout..Pumps Were Nuts....

Diet Is Still Great....Monday will have sample of all the meals i Eat...I switch up about 12 different meals over the diet ..Ahhh

Enjoy Ur Weekend

2morrow will be either Cardio or Legs...The one that isnt done will be done Sunday...So Sat and Sun 1x at the gym...A Lil rest Never Hurt Anyone
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Updated Cycle....Weeeooooowwww

I've Decided 2 Change things up...well just a lil bit..here are the changes

Methyls - 5 1/2 Weeks

Day 1 - 5 H-Drol 50mgs
Day 6 - 31 H-Drol 75mgs
Day 32 - 39 H-Drol 100mgs

Day 15 - 24 Epistane 30mgs
Day 25 - 39 Epistane 40mgs

Day 1 - 39 In Addition
- Cycle Assist, Live 52, Super Cissius, Omega369, and Multivitamin, Glutamine, NO-Explode

Also as Methyls Increase So Does Cycle Support Supplements

Day 25 - 60 Clenbuterol 80mcgs

PCT - 3 weeks

Day 40 - 46 Nolvadex 30mgs, PCT Assist
Day 47 - 53 Nolvadex 20mgs, PCT Assist
Day 54 - 60 Nolvadex 10mgs, PCT Assist


Reason 4 The Changes...SnowBoarding Trip on Feb 15th for 4 days......so pump a lil more into the last couple of days.....Anyone think 100mgs is to much???

Anyone have any ideas???

I would love to hear more peoples opinion...Thanx
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I've Decided 2 Change things up...well just a lil bit..here are the changes

Methyls - 5 1/2 Weeks

Day 1 - 5 H-Drol 50mgs
Day 6 - 31 H-Drol 75mgs
Day 32 - 39 H-Drol 100mgs

Day 15 - 24 Epistane 30mgs
Day 25 - 39 Epistane 40mgs

Day 1 - 39 In Addition
- Cycle Assist, Live 52, Super Cissius, Omega369, and Multivitamin, Glutamine, NO-Explode

Also as Methyls Increase So Does Cycle Support Supplements

Day 25 - 60 Clenbuterol 80mcgs

PCT - 3 weeks

Day 40 - 46 Nolvadex 30mgs, PCT Assist
Day 47 - 53 Nolvadex 20mgs, PCT Assist
Day 54 - 60 Nolvadex 10mgs, PCT Assist


Reason 4 The Changes...SnowBoarding Trip on Feb 15th for 4 days......so pump a lil more into the last couple of days.....Anyone think 100mgs is to much???

Anyone have any ideas???

I would love to hear more peoples opinion...Thanx
Many have dosed H-Drol upwards of 125mg a day toward the end. Cycles run 50/50/75/100/125. If you feel good and your body is adjusting well you should be fine. Make sure and give your self at least 3-4 days at a specific dose before jumping.
But for a simple answer, NO 100mg daily is not to much. Cheers....



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Day 4 - H-Drol 50 Mgs

Today Is A Rest Day...Body Is A LiL Sore, The Knee Is Being a Bitch........Just going to eat clean and if im feeling saucy i might run around my neighborhood in the snow...might be fun.....Actually ill prob just do some pushups and situps and call it a day..

I weighed myself for **** and giggles 201.8
+ 2 . 8 since Wednesday...I feel tighter, and more defined sooo i highly doubt its water weight

On the Fat Caliper i was 2mm less then i was on monday which is about a .7 % difference..so im prob mid 12's in BF%

Enjoy Ur Weekend...Weeeeeeeeeoooowwww
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I CAN'T STOP EATING....I took a day to rest...all my body wants to do is eat and run around...this is nuts..and this is only 50mgs...CAN'T WAIT Weeeeeeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwwwww w
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Day 5 - H-Drol 50 Mgs

Ahhh...Was Going to work out Legs today..but i thought i would give my knee another day off, 2morrow will be Cardio and Legs...maybe even something else..Not Sure...I also did legs 5 days ago, just never logged it.

Pumps Are Insane, People are asking me what The hell im taking..and this is day 5...Weeeeeeeooooooowwwwww...No Cardio today, just shoulders and heres the stats


Shoulder DB Press - 65 x 12, 8, 6
- Burn Out Last Set 30 x Failure (9)

Front Lateral DB Raises - 45 x 8, 8, 8
- Burn Out Last Set 25 x Failure (7)

Side Lateral DB Raises - 35 x 12, 40 x 8, 8
- Burn Outs After Each Set 15 x 8, 6, 6

Bent Over DB Laterals - 35 x 12, 10, 10..Should of went to 40s, Just didnt ???

Upright Rows - 135 x 8, 6, 5

Hammer Behind Neck Press - 35 Each side x 25, 20, 15
- Just To Burn Out My SHoulders

3 Sets of Indian Pushups

If you look at my SHoulder workout from last week...Increases in everything....I might even try Shoulder DB Press at 70 Next week...

OOOOOOOOOOO.....Ahhh ANd Yes 2morrow 75 Mgs Of H-Drol( 50/am, 25/pm)...ITS ONNNNNNNNNNNNN BITCHES.....I Honestly Cant Wait Till im at 100mgs of Hdrol and 40 of Epi and 80 Mcgs of Clen...I will Be Out Of My PHUCKEN MIND.... Watch me now


I Think im going to be taking in more percentages of protein and fat..less of carbs...

Im thinkin 45%Pro / 35% Carbs / 20% Fat @ 3100 - 3500 Cals...

Aight need to get my Omegas in now...Shake and then Bed...
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Day 6 - H-Drol 75 Mgs (1st Day)

Well...Looked in the mirror im getting more lean and im adding weight so thats always a good thing...Im Fuller Looking as well...Diet is fantastic..I slipped on one meal yesterday, cause i didnt know what exactly was in it (Shift Meal @ Work) so i did an extra 5 mins of cardio to make sure the extra sugar i took in was accounted for.....Took 50mgs during am After cardio and going to take the other 25mgs at around 8...Weeeoooowwww...

Am: Cardio, 20 Mins Step, 25 Mins Eliptical, 5 Min Light Jog, 10 Mins Abs

Pm: Legs and Forearms..Once again i go light on Legs cause of my left knee dont want to hurt anything again, and im a form crackhead..slow and perfect form...

Squats - 225 x 12, 275 x 10, 10, 135 x 15

Alternating Leg Curls 60 x 12, 8, 7
- Burn Out Both Legs 60 x 7

Leg Extention (not single) 150 x 12, 165 x 12, 180 x 10

Abducters 110 x 15, 120 x 12, 12

Adducters 170 x 15, 190 x 15, 10

Leg Press 360 x 12, 12, 12....Super Super Slow ( 8 seconds down, 1 second up), basically negatives

Forearms - Not going to go in detail, but i did 9 sets for the forearms, culminating 3 different excercises..most are till failure, and burn outs...It was so bad today after i was done, i couldnt use my hands to drive...couldnt grab the steering whell...Ayooooo Palms.......Might be an update later 2night prob not...

Will check weight and BF on wednesday morning to see what has changed..i cheated and looked if i put on some weight, and yes i did...but we shall c on Wednesday...

Feel free to ask me anything, or give me some suggestions for better results
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