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    Question Back pump or kidneys?


    Started my 1st cycle of E max, 1 cap 3 times daily, F 5'3 115, was doing great for 2 weeks, now I have low back pain, I mean at times extreme, sometimes manageable. How do I get rid of it, downsized to 2 caps, tried taurine 8 mgs daily, no help. Really don't want to quit cycle.....HELP!


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    8mgs of taurine? is that a typo?

    it should be more like 500-1000mg..
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    up to 5g taurine (not mg, but i'm sure yours was a mistype), 500mg magnesium, and a bunch of water. sometimes back pumps are caused just from water deficiency. thats all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDiode View Post
    8mgs of taurine? is that a typo?

    it should be more like 500-1000mg..

    Yes sorry typo, long day at work, should I continue will it go away???
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    up to 5g taurine (not mg, but i'm sure yours was a mistype), 500mg magnesium, and a bunch of water. sometimes back pumps are caused just from water deficiency. thats all know.
    Will it go away?? Should I continue? Ruining my workouts!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islandgirl010 View Post
    Will it go away?? Should I continue? Ruining my workouts!!
    If you're taking taurine supplements and drinking 1 GAL water/day or more and it's still there..

    It won't go away unless you drop the dosage.

    Tough it out or cut back.

    Also, 8 GRAMS of Tauine daily is really, really pushing it.
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    if the taurine/magnesium/water doesn't work, your only choice is to drop the dosage of the PH that you're using. some people just don't respond well to some PH's, while they respond really well to other ones. at 115 pounds, three caps are probably too much for your frame. they were designed for average lifter weight - 160-175 pounds. thats why 200 pounders have to take more to get an effect. its probably one cap too much for you.

    try lowering down to 2 caps per day and the taurine/magnesium/water combo and see what happens. if it doesn't go away in two days, you might just want to jump into PCT if you can't muscle through the sides.

    being a female, and it more than likely being your first cycle might have something to do with it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    if the taurine/magnesium/water doesn't work, your only choice is to drop the dosage of the PH that you're using. some people just don't respond well to some PH's, while they respond really well to other ones. at 115 pounds, three caps are probably too much for your frame. they were designed for average lifter weight - 160-175 pounds. thats why 200 pounders have to take more to get an effect. its probably one cap too much for you.

    try lowering down to 2 caps per day and the taurine/magnesium/water combo and see what happens. if it doesn't go away in two days, you might just want to jump into PCT if you can't muscle through the sides.

    being a female, and it more than likely being your first cycle might have something to do with it too.
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    you know that this may have a virilizing effect on you right?

    also i dont know what kinda of PCT a female would use....????
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    you know that this may have a virilizing effect on you right?

    also i dont know what kinda of PCT a female would use....????
    Virilizing?? Looking for more lean muscle, less fat..
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    also i dont know what kinda of PCT a female would use....????
    wouldn't it be the same? raising test back to normal levels, and combatting estro - just not as insane as ours. estro = fat gain, and thats not what a lady on epi would want to have raised out of proportion. not that i know for sure though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islandgirl010 View Post
    Virilizing?? Looking for more lean muscle, less fat..

    enlargement of your clitoris....

    not to scare you but it happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    wouldn't it be the same? raising test back to normal levels, and combatting estro - just not as insane as ours. estro = fat gain, and thats not what a lady on epi would want to have raised out of proportion. not that i know for sure though.
    I was told that it wouldn't raise estro, just test and with that less fat? Plus add more lean muscle
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    enlargement of your clitoris....

    not to scare you but it happens
    So far hasn't thank God
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    enlargement of your clitoris....

    not to scare you but it happens
    That wouldn't be a permanent thing anyway...right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islandgirl010 View Post
    That wouldn't be a permanent thing anyway...right??

    im not 100 percent sure, but a lot of female bodybuilders who use it develop an enlarged clitoris.

    the only thing that doesnt form that (in terms of anabolics) would be low dose anavar and very very low dose winny (but virilization can still occur at certain doses,

    will it happen to you? i dont know, but its a definet possibility. and as far as getting your body back to homeostasis im not sure what you would use, because ive never really encountered it before, Possibly 25mg of clomid for a few weeks. but i have no idea.

    im just throwing concerns out there for you to think over,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islandgirl010 View Post
    I was told that it wouldn't raise estro, just test and with that less fat? Plus add more lean muscle
    no, it won't. i was talking about PCT, when test levels drop, and estro increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islandgirl010 View Post
    I was told that it wouldn't raise estro, just test and with that less fat? Plus add more lean muscle
    its androgenic as well as anabolic.......... so yea ull gain muscle, but you wont raise testosterone on it,

    the only anabolic prohormone i would run if i were a woman would be 25mg hdrol but i dont know much about these steroids and PHs on females. but Hdrol haveing very low androgenic activity could more then likely be a better choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    no, it won't. i was talking about PCT, when test levels drop, and estro increases.
    clomid may be good as far as getting feritlity back ect, but nolva may be better?

    im asking Dave Palumbo so when he lets me know ill let you guys know
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    Women don't need to run PCT, some women taper down but that a personal choice.

    E-max isn't a very good choice for a woman because it's perhaps the most androgenic OTC product available.

    M-drol at 10 mg a day would be a far better choice for a woman determined to do steroids because M-drol has incredible gains with very little androgenic side effects.
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    Try eating a couple of bananas a day,for the potassium,and drink plenty of water! If it does'nt improve after 3-4 days you might want to drop down to 2 caps a day.
    But as Space said,M-drol would be a better option for you,start at 5mg, maybe go to 10mg ED,for 2-3 weeks.
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    Island, who did you speak with before running this product? Who "sold you on it" so-to-speak?

    I think these are important questions to answer for safety reasons. Often times "GNC"-type retail locations sell anything and everything to anyone and everyone. They will basically lie to your face to make a sale with total disregard to your safety/health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space View Post
    Women don't need to run PCT, some women taper down but that a personal choice.

    E-max isn't a very good choice for a woman because it's perhaps the most androgenic OTC product available.

    M-drol at 10 mg a day would be a far better choice for a woman determined to do steroids because M-drol has incredible gains with very little androgenic side effects.
    i dont think 10mg would be good....

    probably start a little lower and work up to 10 mg .... by breaking the caps and using half the powder....

    whay dont women need to run pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    im not 100 percent sure, but a lot of female bodybuilders who use it develop an enlarged clitoris.
    where are you getting this information about epi and female bodybuilders developing bigger clits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by landfill View Post
    No testicles....

    well yea obviously lol....

    but there still may a hormonal imbalance
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    Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    where are you getting this information about epi and female bodybuilders developing bigger clits?
    im sure u know its called virilization, it happens to women who use androgens on cycle rather then a more anabolic.

    epi is androgenic, as well as anabolic, but i believe it is more androgenic, it happens to female bodybuilders who use some form of juice, even anavar or winny at high doses can cause it, will it happen in one run? who knows, there are just concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    im sure u know its called virilization, it happens to women who use androgens on cycle rather then a more anabolic.

    epi is androgenic, as well as anabolic, but i believe it is more androgenic, it happens to female bodybuilders who use some form of juice, even anavar or winny at high doses can cause it, will it happen in one run? who knows, there are just concerns.
    i realise that but enlarged clits don't happen from one mild cycle with low doses of epi, correct me if i'm wrong.

    multiple heavy dosed cycles = yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    i realise that but enlarged clits don't happen from one mild cycle with low doses of epi, correct me if i'm wrong.

    multiple heavy dosed cycles = yes

    its just a concern

    4 weeks? probably not, but if she did a few more cycles, even mild ones, it may appear, she needs to know these side effects.

    she may be better off a plant extract that increases protein synthesis and nitrogen retention.

    she could probably add more fats in her diet and gain quite steadily. even extra Arachadonic Acid could help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papapumpsd View Post
    Island, who did you speak with before running this product? Who "sold you on it" so-to-speak?

    I think these are important questions to answer for safety reasons. Often times "GNC"-type retail locations sell anything and everything to anyone and everyone. They will basically lie to your face to make a sale with total disregard to your safety/health.

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    Islandgirl,I don't think there's any reason for you to panic here,the parent compound of epi,Epitiostanol has been around since the 60's and was used to treat breast cancer.It was found to highly anabolic[builds muscle] and was altered slightly[methylated] to improve absorption,and marketed as a designer steroid.Medical dosages of Epitiostanol were around 10mg 3 x week and it was considered to be one of the safest anti-estrogens,with minimal side effects.It has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 12:1,meaning its far more anabolic than androgenic.As a female you want to avoid androgenic compounds,[unless you want to walk around with your clitoris dragging on the floor or be the star of chixwithdix.com,which i'm sure is not the case.]

    I'm fairly sure the side effects your getting are from too high a dose [juggernaut nutrition Emax-10mg caps?] A typical dose of epi[&clones] for somebody around 180-200lbs would be 30-40mg ED,so for woman of 115lbs i would say 20mg ED max.

    I would suggest you drop down to 20mg ED and see if it gets better,if not,then stop,this compound may not suit you.

    If you want try something else in the future,then i would suggest low dose m-drol [5,maybe 10mgs ED]or the 19norandro compounds,which are considered to be the safest of the prohormones for females.

    After your Emax cycle,don't forget to run a liver care product for2-3 weeks.

    good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by landfill View Post
    Islandgirl,I don't think there's any reason for you to panic here,the parent compound of epi,Epitiostanol has been around since the 60's and was used to treat breast cancer.It was found to highly anabolic[builds muscle] and was altered slightly[methylated] to improve absorption,and marketed as a designer steroid.Medical dosages of Epitiostanol were around 10mg 3 x week and it was considered to be one of the safest anti-estrogens,with minimal side effects.It has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 12:1,meaning its far more anabolic than androgenic.As a female you want to avoid androgenic compounds,[unless you want to walk around with your clitoris dragging on the floor or be the star of chixwithdix.com,which i'm sure is not the case.]

    I'm fairly sure the side effects your getting are from too high a dose [juggernaut nutrition Emax-10mg caps?] A typical dose of epi[&clones] for somebody around 180-200lbs would be 30-40mg ED,so for woman of 115lbs i would say 20mg ED max.

    I would suggest you drop down to 20mg ED and see if it gets better,if not,then stop,this compound may not suit you.

    If you want try something else in the future,then i would suggest low dose m-drol [5,maybe 10mgs ED]or the 19norandro compounds,which are considered to be the safest of the prohormones for females.

    After your Emax cycle,don't forget to run a liver care product for2-3 weeks.

    good luck!

    methylating can severly change the make up of the compound, they used NON METHYLATED epithios,

    looks at Dbol and Boldenone, dbol is methylated boldenone, and is very androgenic, boldenone is much more ananbolic,

    so that slight change can really do a lot to a compound. shift ratios, increase bioavailability, increase half life, increased liver stress
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    Crazyfool,you're right about methylation changing the properties of a compound.According to Vida,epi is 1100% anabolic and 91% androgenic as methyl-test,so it's not particularly androgenic.The point of my post was to reasure Islandgirl that what she is taking is not going to make her clit grow to the size of a banana,or completely screw her up.Crader on this forum took an epi clone,so its been done before although it may not be the best option in terms of PH/DS for a woman.
    I have to disagree with your comments on Dbol,it's moderately androgenic,but highly anabolic.I'm currently running a pulse cycle of Pplex &Dbol,because Dbol isnt androgenic enough on its own,which is where the Pplex comes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by landfill View Post
    Crazyfool,you're right about methylation changing the properties of a compound.According to Vida,epi is 1100% anabolic and 91% androgenic as methyl-test,so it's not particularly androgenic.The point of my post was to reasure Islandgirl that what she is taking is not going to make her clit grow to the size of a banana,or completely screw her up.Crader on this forum took an epi clone,so its been done before although it may not be the best option in terms of PH/DS for a woman.
    I have to disagree with your comments on Dbol,it'moderately androgenic,but highly anabolic.I'm currently running a pulse cycle of Pplex &Dbol,because Dbol isnt androgenic enough on its own,which is where the Pplex comes in.

    yea but she should opt for a purely anabolic like hdrol (little to know androgenic features.

    Dbol is androgenic enough. but yes it is highly anabolic.

    it wont grow that much but the chances are still there, they are legitimate concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    yea but she should opt for a purely anabolic like hdrol (little to know androgenic features.

    Dbol is androgenic enough. but yes it is highly anabolic.

    it wont grow that much but the chances are still there, they are legitimate concerns.
    If and how much it could grow would probably depend on the person and yes that is a legitimate concern. She probably would of been better off w/ something like anavar b/c there is much more data regarding its affects on women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazilyfter42 View Post
    If and how much it could grow would probably depend on the person and yes that is a legitimate concern. She probably would of been better off w/ something like anavar b/c there is much more data regarding its affects on women.

    yep
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