[str1]

This will be a log of my cycle of Dbol + Epi. Earlier this year I experienced some chronic muscle soreness/swelling/fatigue in my arms, my forearms, biceps and parts of my shoulders would swell up and would be semi-paralyzed with pulsing pain, after only 1-2 4 minute grappling rounds, or 3-4 pullups/chinups. I took a couple of weeks off from training, a couple of weeks turned into around 4. Now I've been at the gym for 6 weeks getting back on track, only daring 1-2 judo sessions per week as I felt some symptoms returning. I decided I would try a mild dbol cycle to see how it would work for injury prevention, and since I still have more than half a bottle of epi around, and it's a class I steroid (isn't it?) I figured I'd throw some in, and see if it helps me get some minor gains while at it. Also I'm guessing the anti-e properties of it might reduce the water weight of the dbol.

I am a fan of mild cycles, and my experience with havoc and epi before were exactly that: mild but noticable gains: increased vascularity, increased strength, and slow but steady lean mass gain. This time the aim is different, but the idea is similar, modest goals, modest dosage.

My stats:

Age: 25
Years training: 3
Previous AAS experience: a 4 week havoc cycle, a 3 week epi cycle, cut short due to joint creakage.
Cycle goal: injury prevention, hopefully +5-10lb and a little strength increase.
Height: 1.90cm
Starting weight: 96kg (~210lb)


Dosing system:
10mg Dbol around noon
10mg Dbol + 10mg epi 1-2 hours before lifting/judo

PCT:
My previous experiences with epi have not required PCT beyond tribulus and resveratrol, so that's what I'm planning to do now. Before I've used 1600mg of resveratrol for the first 5 days, then tapered it down to 600mg, by decreasing it by 200mg every two days, so 120 200mg caps last me for 20 days, at the same time taking scitec tribu-x at 4 caps per day. This is something I grabbed out of my ass, and worked for me twice so far (no shutdown, no decreased libido). I do however have nolva on hand, just in case.
Throughout PCT I will be taking silymarin at 600mg per day.

Supplements:
NOW Eco-Green Multivitamin
Fish Oil (3 tbsp /day)
Silymarin 600mg
Zinc 60mg
Saw palmetto berry extr. 160mg
Pygeum Africanum Bark extr. 10mg
Stinging nettle root extr. 250mg
Pumpkin seed oil 950mg
Cissus 40% ketosterones 2000mg
Taurine 5000mg
Animal flex, 1 dose per day

One thing that I've been thinking of adding is hawthorn berry extract, but I'm not sure if my BP will be a problem at such low doses. If however I up the epi to 20mg ed, then I'm thinking BP could be an issue.

Before judo training I usually take 2 tsp. of BCAA powder, and afterwards I have 1-2 scoops of Torrent PWO mix, depending on how much grappling I did.

Before lifting I usually take nothing, except perhaps a strong cup of coffee. After lifting I have 3 scoops of torrent, and sometimes if I'm feeling run down I'll take one of the scoops and sip it during my training.

My diet is basically to taper off carbs as the day progresses (with the exception of PWO for lifting), I'll have 3-4 proper meals which I try to keep clean, and 1-2 whey/casein protein (50-60g) shakes per day as well.

Started on the 11th of august. So today is day 4.

The week has been quite grueling due to work, and I didn't train on monday/tuesday. Wednesday was judo, I was feeling strong and no joint pains. Today was a lifting session, and I felt the wide pullups and the db bench was pretty good: managed 2x8 working set with 75lb dumbbells, another 5 rep set using the same weight, and one drop set with 60lb db's.

I'll do my best to document how it goes, any suggestions welcome and appreciated. I will do my best to listen to my body and see how it reacts.

Thanks if you've read this far, and I hope this will prove of help to someone, hopefully me included

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by str1

I decided I would try a mild dbol cycle to see how it would work for injury prevention, and since I still have more than half a bottle of epi around, and it's a class I steroid (isn't it?) I figured I'd throw some in, and see if it helps me get some minor gains while at it. Also I'm guessing the anti-e properties of it might reduce the water weight of the dbol.

I am a fan of mild cycles, and my experience with havoc and epi before were exactly that: mild but noticable gains: increased vascularity, increased strength, and slow but steady lean mass gain. This time the aim is different, but the idea is similar, modest goals, modest dosage.
Cycle goal: injury prevention, hopefully +5-10lb and a little strength increase.
Dosing system:
10mg Dbol around noon
10mg Dbol + 10mg epi 1-2 hours before lifting/judo

PCT:
My previous experiences with epi have not required PCT beyond tribulus and resveratrol, so that's what I'm planning to do now. Before I've used 1600mg of resveratrol for the first 5 days, then tapered it down to 600mg, by decreasing it by 200mg every two days, so 120 200mg caps last me for 20 days, at the same time taking scitec tribu-x at 4 caps per day. This is something I grabbed out of my ass, and worked for me twice so far (no shutdown, no decreased libido). I do however have nolva on hand, just in case.
Thanks if you've read this far, and I hope this will prove of help to someone, hopefully me included

Subbed!! This is going to be very interesting to observe. You're using the Epi for the exact same reason that I used it on my last 2 cycles. For its anti-e properties and to help keep wetter compounds like D-Bol and Phera drier than normal. And it worked extremely well in this aspect. And you experienced dry creaky joints from your Epi only run, so the addition of D-Bol will provide you with some extra estrogen to lube those joints and help you push more weight. I think you'll need to bump it on up to 20 mg. however. 10 mg. just isn't much as it is pretty mild after all. And if it were me, for PCT I would use a small dose of that Nolva. Maybe just 10 mg. each night. Good luck on this cycle and I'm here for the entire ride!! Give It Hela Bro!!

[str1]

Thanks for the interest thundergod, I think I might end up with 20mg of epi as well, and in that case I'll go with your PCT suggestion :-)

[factoryracer]

hey bud, ill be keeping track of the log, looks good, im currently on a dbol cycle as well....but i wanna see how yours goes as well

thanks for taking the time to do this

[EasyEJL]

I think i'd take the 20 of dbol at the same time, but who really knows what is best

[str1]

Thanks for the attention guys, I'll try not to disappoint.

With regards to 20mg dbol at the same time, I had thought of it, but I figured spacing it out a little to make use of the 5-6 hour half life in my bloodstream could prove better for "healing" purposes. I'll explain later why I'm not 100% sure this is working.

So today went like this:
11:00 : Wake up, 10mg dbol
11:05 : Breakfast, plain yogurt + whey/casein protein + organic muesli
11:15 : took my multi, some fish oil, prostate support, and 30mg zinc
(nutrition was **** today)
13:30 : a glass of whole milk
13:45 : took my animal flex, some fish oil
16:15 : A large quesadilla with 100g chicken, wholewheat tortilla, mixed veggies, black beans (and cheese of course)
17:30 : 10mg dbol, 10mg epistane, 10g (2 tsp.) BCAA powder, and some zizzazz (howere it's spelled, some pre workout energy thing I got a few packs of for testing).
18:20 : judo practice starts
19:20 : I chug 2 scoops of universal torrent, and have 100mg R-ALA, as I'm leaving the dojo early (have a meeting ... in 5 minutes now!)
19:45 : (right now) I'm eating a VPX zero impact pumpkin supreme bar... and heading out for some more food.

My biceps, shoulders and forearms have the beginning symptoms of the chronic soreness I mentioned in the first post :-( . If this continues/worsens I might switch to take the dbol all at once about 2 hours before training.

Tomorrow is benching day for me, I'm hoping for good things, I'll keep the log updated, and post the entire workout + bodyweight.

[str1]

Rest of the day:
20:30 : Had one amazing organic ginger ale
22:30 : Ate dinner (200g bbq burger w/ bacon, some fries)
23:30 : Got home, took my silymarin, more zinc, 1 tbsp fish oil, and 100mg R-ALA

Edit: I forgot to mention that sometime today I took my cissus as well, probably sometime around when I took the animal flex. I also took the 5g of taurine with the afternoon dose of dbol+epi. (I was in a rush writing this earlier)

... Yesterday evening after my weight training session I was feeling super energetic and bouncing off the walls. I literally had an uncontrollable urge to move around and make some noise -- I wished I had my boxing bag hanging somewhere in the apt, because the urge ended up with me doing some shadow boxing combinations. Yeah.. in short, energy and mood were way up there. I stayed up late to watch some of the men's 100+ olympic judo.

Today however I've been extremely tired and weak, probably as a result of irregular sleep and little caffeine consumption. However my libido was through the roof all day. Massively horny day, and I've felt that since monday my libido has been up a lot more than on epi alone. Which is strange, because I thought dbol was nowhere near as androgenic as epi? Anyone have experience with it who can tell me if this is normal for dbol or not? Maybe it's me, maybe it's the combination..?

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by str1

Massively horny day, and I've felt that since monday my libido has been up a lot more than on epi alone. Which is strange, because I thought dbol was nowhere near as androgenic as epi? Anyone have experience with it who can tell me if this is normal for dbol or not? Maybe it's me, maybe it's the combination..?

Actually, D-Bol is pretty high on the androgenic side of the ratio. It is MORE anabolic than androgenic, but fairly high androgenically anyway. Only 5 mg. per day has shown masculizination effects in women. The 2 times that I have taken D-Bol has had the same effect on me. Incredibly horny all of the time! My wife has volunteered to buy my next round of D-Bols for me!! lol And yeah, the combo of Epi/D-Bol is even more pronounced in this regard. To me Epi is "hard-ons in a bottle"!! Enjoy the ride you've started now!!

[str1]

Haha, thanks for the info thundergod, I can't wait for next tuesday when my girl comes back from abroad. I'll have a few things in store for her

[Ziquor]

IN - I'm very curious to see how these work together

[str1]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

IN - I'm very curious to see how these work together

Glad to have you on board

[soma]

subbed

[rpt95]

I actually ran epi and dbol together for 4 weeks to jumpstart a test E cycle. I just finished the 4 weeks running dbol at 30 and epi at 20 and went from low 280s to mid 290s and I look leaner. I am gyno prone and didn't really have any issues.

[we1975]

hey guys this is intresting im using epi on its own myself and basically my joints are killing me with muscle soreness particoloury legs bach and shoulders my training as always been the same for yrs but since i have been using epi my joints are killing me gunna try the dbol or anadrol along with 20 or 30mg of epi to keep water retention down meself sounds a great idea thaks guys

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by str1

Glad to have you on board

I actually highly considered running the same stack late last year but decided against it. I like to stray away from aromatizing anabolics but with the Epithio included - this log just might push me to go ahead and run it after all.